(starbucks photo on loan from joey marchy at urbanjacksonville.info)
As this is the basis of the strategy being followed by the retail development task force (comprised unsurprisingly of many of the original members of Elaine's proposal group) hopefully this bodes well for the idea of treating downtown as the development of a shopping mall.
The building, owned by local Attorney and Marketing success story Eddie Farah, is the object of interest for two of Jacksonville's most beloved local restaurants. Both the Casbah and another upscalish Avondale eaterie are interested in opening a downtown establishment at the location.
Both of them however, would like to see the facade of the building preserved, and feel that Farah's plans to raze the structure and build a new building would be a deal breaker for any proposed lease.
118 Main Street is a familiar site to most downtown residents and businesspeople, as well as a local landmark during downtown's retail heyday, and is notable for the art deco detailing of its facade.
At one time such intricate details were common around the central district---especially on the older buildings influenced by the geometric and natural-form decorations favored by Henry John Klutho, but as the local redevelopment agency and the various landowners allowed downtown to be demolished, they have become a rarity.
Perhaps one of the better known examples was the delicate molding work that adorned the top of the arcade theatre on Adams Street, (pictured) before neglect allowed a demolition that permitting probably wouldnt have.


Both parties also would like to see the outdoor alley preserved as an open air space allowing patio dining (or hookah puffing, as the case might be) The alleyway is already a picturesque environment which is bordered by the charmingly aged brick walls of the Hionides owned building next door. Looking at the picures, one could easily see how this would make a tremendously cool dining area.
Apparently the buildings owner, the ubiquitous personal injury Poobah, Eddie Farah, has other plans for the building---although he does want for the bottom floor to become a restaurant.
Metrojacksonville has obtained preliminary plans and renderings of the proposed construction, and with no undue objectivity----they are simply awful.
They were apparently designed to evoke the same warm response that is usually only triggered by a building housing a substance abuse treatment facility.
Regard the proposed renderings of the street frontage:

This is almost uninspirational enough to have been designed by KBJ. Very cold, sterile and uninviting. In some ways the ruined facade is more romantic than this vision.
The internal plans aren't anywhere near as bad. They include the entire corner building to the left of the Lerner's Shop, and indicate that the new structure will be connective to the existing Farah Headquarters. The Lerner's Space is represented by the yellow area. Let's have a look at all three of the proposed floors:

While there is space left open in the front for exterior dining, the lovely courtyard is obliterated and made into part of the floor space. Obviously, less outdoor space would make the building less profitable for a hookah bar, especially considering the amount of smoking that would then have to be indoors----which would eliminate the possibility of a food based lunch business.
In any case, both of the restaurants would prefer to see the outdoor courtyard kept intact.
When we approached Eddie about the building, he was naturally fairly evasive and vague about the plans, although he did indicate that he would be willing to revisit the design.
Almost all parties on the ownership side of the equation agree that the building itself is structurally unsound, and a brief examination of the building by Metrojacksonville confirmed that there are some problems with the builing itself, including a huge crack between the facade support structure and the brick walls that line the interior courtyard. The brick is powdery and shows signs that its integrity has already been compromised.
However, the maintenance of the facade itself is another deal breaker for the prospective tenants.
Notice that the building is intended to be converted from a two story to a three story structure. The plans show two upper floors with 'shellspace' indicated over the bottom floor restaurant, but doors connecting the 'shellspace' to the main Farah Complex. The realtor indicates that these would be offices for rent, and possibly live/work studios with entrances from the Adams Street building front.


So the impasse seems to be the difficulty of building a more profitable space in terms of the second and third floors, even though potential renters have expressed the desire to maintain the facade and open courtyard.
Luckily there are numerous examples of such compromises all around the country.
Facades can be worked around and incorporated into the structures of completely new buildings. Such structures maintain the feel and historic quality of city streets while also allowing higher density and greater profit by their owners.
Consider this project:

There is absolutely no reason why Farah couldn't have the best of both possible worlds on this project.
We would like to suggest that he could easily preserve all, or even most of the facade of the old Lerner building, leave the bottom floor partially open and still build the proposed second and third floors at the same time.
It would be a shame to lose the detailed and charming facade, especially to be replaced with the soulless monstrosity which the plans show.
Even greater still it would be a shame for Downtown to lose out on the possibility of successful local institutions opening in the near future.
Imagine how nice it would be to finish off a great californian red and brilliant dessert, and then stroll over to Starbucks before heading down to the riverwalk?
Or maybe plenty of Latte's and etc before sitting down to an apple tobacco hookah and some hummous?
Weigh in on the issue.
Tell us what you think....or better yet, tell Eddie.
Downtown
10 West Adams Street
Jacksonville, Florida 32202
Phone: (904) 396-5555
thelakelander
July 04, 2007, 08:24:53 AMImo, the Art Deco facade would look pretty impressive preserved and incorporated into a larger contemporary styled, glass structure fronting Main Street. That would be something you definately don't see around much in Jacksonville.
stephendare
July 04, 2007, 10:23:06 AMagreed, lake.
in any case, the 'late 70s detention facility" look of the renderings are hardly an improvement over the present state of the building.
the etched facade would be pretty awesome against glass however.
JUSTDAVE
July 04, 2007, 11:59:40 PMIt was smart to give Eddie an opportunity to do something cool downtown, if it can give him some favorable publicity all the better. I think any version of a good plan is commendable. Under no circumstances should anyone look at this and say if Eddie doesn't do exactly what most people are recommending then his priorities are in the wrong place. I'm sure he will do whatever suits downtown without disregarding what suits him.
If we were talking about anyone else no one would demand exactly what they thought was best and then be disappointed if was good but not best.
thelakelander
July 05, 2007, 12:09:33 AMI think the desire of Eddie Farah to do something positive with that property is a great thing and should serve as a good example for a core used to seeing it's building stock replaced with parking lots. However, getting some public feedback on a conceptual building plan shouldn't be viewed as a negative thing. There could be something mentioned in the ongoing discussion that improves Eddie's plans and his profit margin.
downtownparks
July 05, 2007, 07:16:39 AMDave, these guys treat every downtown development the same. Nobody is singling out Farah.
stephendare
July 05, 2007, 08:24:51 AMexactly.
Although i do think that tearing down a historic structure under any circumstances is a bad idea, especially if you already have tenants whose interest in your property hinges on preserving the facade
Eddie is a positive guy and I think wants to do something positive downtown, but sometimes there is a real disconnect between what a suburban minded architect might suggest and what an urban environment is served best by,
Until someone points it out, theres nothing to go on but the one point of view.
Matt
July 05, 2007, 10:51:40 AMEither way, im happy. The space is getting used. I don't really mind the proposed plan that much.It kinda reminds me of some of the communist architecture in moscow(which is bad), but its different. I like seeing a lot of different styles. not to mention the fact that the original building is somewhat falling apart. my point is, the investment is going into downtown and thats one less empty parcel.
thelakelander
July 05, 2007, 11:05:57 AMI can understand Matt's point of view. After all, Farah could pull a KBJ Architects and just explode the structure for the hell of it, without plans to replace it with anything.
stephendare
July 05, 2007, 11:30:28 AMtrue, except that the soviet style architecture is the one thing that would guarantee that the parcel would stay empty for the time being
urbanlibertarian
July 05, 2007, 04:28:05 PMWhy don't we hold a seance and ask Klutho what he might do with it?
thelakelander
July 05, 2007, 05:05:30 PMI might be wrong but I don't think it's a Klutho building.
urbanlibertarian
July 05, 2007, 06:26:56 PMI was referring to this quote from the article:
"At one time such intricate details were common around the central district---especially on the older buildings influenced by the geometric and natural-form decorations favored by Henry John Klutho, but as the local redevelopment agency and the various landowners allowed downtown to be demolished, they have become a rarity."
I would like to see some of the new structures downtown at least pay homage to the Prairie style which is so historically important here.
thelakelander
July 05, 2007, 07:12:48 PMThat would be nice. Btw, Cesery's planned 3rd & Main project, in Springfield, is a prairie school throwback.
urbanlibertarian
July 05, 2007, 07:24:33 PMExcellent.
JUSTDAVE
July 05, 2007, 07:49:48 PMExactly, you know that, and I was pretty sure of that, but not everyone who reads this knows that.
Wouldn't want to leave anyone with the wrong impression.
Bruin Brain
July 06, 2007, 12:26:53 PMWhile I'm not opposed to facades of older buildings being incorporated into new designs, this is a horrible example to have used. The windows, the ground floors, the cornices are completely inappropriate from a preservation standpoint, leaving little more than just brick outlines, small excerpts of what these buildings once were. I'm not arguing that it isn't better than complete demolition; it absolutely is. Even if it is just barely a step above the architectural details from the demolished buildings on Monroe St being plastered onto the north facade of the new library. There MUST be a better example somewhere!
thelakelander
July 06, 2007, 12:31:28 PMThere's tons of examples. Here's another.
Btw, its great to see you checking in to the site, even though you're no longer in Jax.