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Joint Mobility Plan Workshop This Week

This Tuesday, the Jacksonville City Council and the Planning Commission will host a Joint Mobility Plan Workshop to discuss pending legislation 2010-879. If approved, legislation 2010-879 would be a significant step in the creation of a more sustainable Jacksonville.

Published December 13, 2010 in Transit      33 Comments    Open printer friendly version of this article Print Article


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From the Office of The City Council to all interested parties

NOTICE JOINT MOBILITY PLAN WORKSHOP



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Notice is hereby given that the Honorable John D. “Jack” Webb, President of the City Council hereby calls a Joint Mobility Plan Workshop of the Jacksonville City Council and the Planning Commission to discuss pending legislation 2010-879.  The Joint Mobility Plan Workshop will be held  on Tuesday, December 14, 2010, from 10:00 a.m .- 11:00 a.m. in the Lynwood Roberts Room, located at 117 West Duval Street, 1st Floor City Hall St. James Building, Jacksonville, Florida.

2010-879 ORD Apv Proposed 2010E Series Semi-Annual Text Amends to the Transportation; Future Land Use; Capital Improvemts; Conservation/Coastal Mgmt; Intergovt'l Coordination; & Housing Elements of the 2030 Comp Plan. (Reingold) (LUZ) LUZ PH - 1/4/11 Public Hearing Pursuant to Sec 163.3184, F.S. & Chapt 650, Pt 4 Ord Code - 12/14/10 & 1/11/11

All interested parties are invited to attend.

Please contact the Legislative Services Division at (904) 630-1404 for additional information or correspondence.


2030 Multimodal Transportation Study Executive Summary


Graphic from adopted Southeast Vision Plan










2030 Multimodal Transportation Study Executive Summary Figures (click on image to enlarge)


Graphic from adopted Arlington/Beaches Vision Plan













2030 Multimodal Transportation Study Executive Summary Tables


Graphic from adopted Urban Core Vision Plan









For More Information on the Mobility Plan: http://www.coj.net/Departments/Planning+and+Development/Community+Planning/Mobility+Plan.htm







33 Comments

Coolyfett

December 13, 2010, 04:47:24 AM
............Im ready for results already for all this planning & workshops........Talk, talk, talk...Is anyone ready for transit action yet?

thelakelander

December 13, 2010, 05:38:56 AM
From what I understand, the land use portion of the plan has already passed and been adopted.  This means you can now build denser pedestrian friendly development along mass transit corridors and throughout the inner city without having to apply for a PUD.  It could be argued that getting the land use side through was the most important elements needed to get Jacksonville over the hump.

dougskiles

December 13, 2010, 06:09:52 AM
Will there be a public comment period in this workshop?  One hour seems pretty short for a workshop to discuss something of this magnitude.  I read the plan and I like the concept of lowering the mobility fee for development that will result in shorter trips.  Although my first reaction is that the differences proposed may not be significant enough to cause any real change in development patterns.  I would prefer to see the CBD set to 0.0 and the Urban Priority and Urban about half of what they are proposing.

I'm looking forward to attending.

Noone

December 13, 2010, 07:19:00 AM
I'll try and make it too. Important issue. I'm just curious more of a street car line going from the Prime Osborn all the way to Everbank Field. In my opinion you have this Entertainment district that has yet to be truly identified and will be under JEDC control. So I'm just wondering how the metro jax rail team thinks about this.

New election. Ask the candidates.

Is the funding in place?

Garden guy

December 13, 2010, 08:14:23 AM
This state historically has not been too keen on the idea of public transport...they keep kicking the ideas down the street and i to find it ridiculous to open a meeting about something so large and only give it an hour...just a sign of what we has to be delt with due to the leadership in this state and area...i just find conservatives are usually against anything to do with public anything...

stephendare

December 13, 2010, 08:19:29 AM
This state historically has not been too keen on the idea of public transport...they keep kicking the ideas down the street and i to find it ridiculous to open a meeting about something so large and only give it an hour...just a sign of what we has to be delt with due to the leadership in this state and area...i just find conservatives are usually against anything to do with public anything...

I agree this has been true recently, but historically?  meh.  The state was built on rail and transport.

thelakelander

December 13, 2010, 08:27:36 AM
Public meetings regarding the Mobility Plan have been ongoing for nearly a year now. 

fsujax

December 13, 2010, 08:40:25 AM
Not all conservatives are against this kind of stuff. I am looking forward to this being implemented. Having a dedicated funding source will really help to move this along.

Ocklawaha

December 13, 2010, 09:18:17 AM
I'm just curious more of a street car line going from the Prime Osborn all the way to Everbank Field.

Yes, however depending on who becomes mayor and how its pushed the Skyway is already more then 1/2 way completed between the two. The Streetcar will probably make the same trip over a different street, watch for Independence to Newnan to Beaver or Duval and hence east. 

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So I'm just wondering how the metro jax rail team thinks about this.

For all practical purposes your MJ rail team wrote the whole damn plan! Surprise? Also watch for the streetcar to move on down Bay to Myrtle and hence into Riverside via Florida's only subway... the original route. Reason? Riverside Avenue Viaduct/Acosta Bridge is not currently suitable for streetcar, and the Lee Street Viaduct will have to come down to accommodate moving trains back to Jacksonville Terminal.

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Is the funding in place?

Dedicated annual funding will be in place.


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thelakelander

December 13, 2010, 09:56:05 AM
I'll try and make it too. Important issue. I'm just curious more of a street car line going from the Prime Osborn all the way to Everbank Field. In my opinion you have this Entertainment district that has yet to be truly identified and will be under JEDC control. So I'm just wondering how the metro jax rail team thinks about this.

New election. Ask the candidates.

Is the funding in place?

A streetcar line to Everbank Stadium is not one of the projects that will be potentially funded by the mobility fee.  The JEDC has already implemented a TCEA (Transportation Concurrency Exception Area) for the downtown area. I believe that TCEA will remain in place.  The TCEA implementation plan can be found here:

http://www.coj.net/Departments/Jacksonville+Economic+Development+Commission/Downtown+Development/TCEA.htm

thelakelander

December 13, 2010, 10:04:47 AM
This state historically has not been too keen on the idea of public transport...they keep kicking the ideas down the street and i to find it ridiculous to open a meeting about something so large and only give it an hour...just a sign of what we has to be delt with due to the leadership in this state and area...i just find conservatives are usually against anything to do with public anything...

As mentioned earlier, the things being discussed have been in public view for years now.  The COJ Visioning process, JTA's commuter rail, BRT & streetcar studies and the North Florida TPO's 2035 LRTP were all open to the public.  In addition, the Mobility Plan Task Force meetings were also open to the public.  Many of the things that came out of these efforts are what make up what will be discussed at the upcoming workshop.  Everything mentioned above has been featured on our front page the past couple of years as well.  Last but not least, although most here are really focused on transit in general, improving mass transit is only one of many things being addressed in the effort detailed below.

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Resulting from the definition of a "dense urban land area" or DULA provided within SB 360, the City of Jacksonville has been designated a TCEA. As outlined in Senate Bill 360, within two years after a TCEA becomes effective, local governments are required to amend their local comprehensive plans to include "land use and transportation strategies to support and fund mobility within the exception area, including alternative modes of transportation."

Local comprehensive plans must also comply with 163.3177, F.S., which requires the adoption of strategies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and promote energy-efficient land use patterns. Pursuant to SB 360 and 163.3177, F.S., the City of Jacksonville Planning and Development Department has prepared a draft 2030 Mobility Plan. 

There are two chief components to the mobility planning approach, the draft 2030 Mobility Plan and the supporting 2030 Multimodal Transportation Study (January 2010). The purpose of this dual approach is to build upon existing policies through the adoption of land use and transportation policies that support mobility, in partnership with the effective application of a new transportation improvement and mitigation funding mechanism.
Source: http://www.coj.net/Departments/Planning+and+Development/Community+Planning/Mobility+Plan.htm

dougskiles

December 13, 2010, 12:06:56 PM
It surprises me that something with such a potential impact on the growth of our city hasn't received more attention from our local media.  I knew a little about SB360 but nothing about the Mobility Plan until I started participating in Metro Jacksonville recently.  Hopefully it will become a big topic in the mayoral campaigning.  I wouldn't be surprised though if most of the candidates are largely unaware of the plan, too.

Ocklawaha

December 13, 2010, 02:23:20 PM
The TCEA plan reads like it's a carbon copy of JTA'S asinine plan to conquer the city with flying buses. Being dated 2005, it's pretty obvious these boys and girls had only automobiles and BRT on their minds when they wrote this.

Buses, buses, and some more buses, blowing a east-west in addition to the north south freeway through the middle of downtown just for Buses...  Static Skyway. Classic zero vision stuff, apparently written by non transportation thinkers.


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Kay

December 13, 2010, 04:23:45 PM
Ennis:  Do you agree with widening those listed roads from 4 to 6 lanes?

arb

December 13, 2010, 05:24:17 PM
I would go, however I'm in class tomorrow. But if they bring up the JRTC, this is the oppurtunity to let them know about everyones issues with the planned JRTC.

thelakelander

December 14, 2010, 09:31:19 AM
Ennis:  Do you agree with widening those listed roads from 4 to 6 lanes?

Yes.  From a multimodal and sustainable development perspective, the widenings of Philips Highway and Southside Boulevard will allow for the inclusion of needed infrastructure such as sidewalks, bike facilities, potential multiuse paths, landscaping and street lighting.  That type of infrastructure will be needed for future development along these corridors (especially Philips).  These projects should also help JTA establish better bus service along these arterial roadways.

stephendare

December 14, 2010, 12:39:51 PM
Lake, Ock and I went to the Workshop this morning.  Metrojacksonville was well represented there.  JumpingJack, Dougskiles, and a few others from the site were in the crowd.

Bill Killingsworth managed to explain the mobility plan so elegantly and so simply that there werent many questions.  It looks like its sailing toward adoption. 

Bill Bishop, Johnny Gaffney, Jim Gilmore of the old DDA, Mike Miller of JTA, Mayor Dick Brown, Jack Webb, Marc Hardesty, and Dylan from the General Counsel's office were amongst the faces present.

thelakelander

December 14, 2010, 01:21:48 PM
Here are the public hearing dates for the transmittal round of the mobility legislation, Ordinance 2010-879. 
 
11/23/10 - Introduction to City Council                                                 

12/14/10 - City Council’s 1st Public Hearing 

12/16/10 - Planning Commission Public Hearing
 
1/3/11 - Transportation, Energy, and Utilities Committee Public Hearing
 
1/4/11 - Land Use and Zoning Committee Public Hearing
 
1/11/11 - City Council’s Final Public Hearing
 
1/24/11 - Anticipated Transmittal to DCA

fieldafm

December 14, 2010, 01:29:07 PM
So I'm thoroughly confused.
Is council going to have public input at tonight's meeting?

Anybody going to this?

dougskiles

December 14, 2010, 01:47:49 PM
Bill Killingsworth truly has done an excellent job with this.  Not often do you see a government agency put together such a complete plan.  I've seen the question asked here before to mayoral candidates and I think it bears repeating to all of them:  "Do you plan on keeping Bill in the position of Planning Director?"

With regard to the Mobility Plan, there are a few details that need particular attention:

1) There will be a method of reducing the 'trip length' for developors who are able to demonstrate that their project does not put as many automobile trips on the road as a typical development.  An example would be a downtown residential project where many of the residents would presumably work downtown.  Another would be a TOD.  The general formula has been clearly defined, however, this aspect of it has not.

2) The fees collected will go into a fund for mobility projects and will be prioritized so that an entire improvement project is funded before rolling down to the next project.  My concern with this is who decides which project is a priority?  I am hopeful that the money will be spread between the different categories according to the percentages assigned to each (road, bicycle, pedestrian and transit) and then rolled down the list within each category.  For example, if there is a large roadway project on the list and it needs to be fully funded, then we can forget about seeing any bicycle or pedestrian projects for a while.

3) My last concern is that we don't see what happened to education funding when they sold the lottery program.  Will they safeguard the mobility fund money so that it doesn't eventually become the sole source of transportation funding?

It would be great to have a Metro Jacksonville Q&A forum with Bill Killingsworth, TR Hainline and some of the others who created the plan.

thelakelander

December 14, 2010, 09:48:04 PM
With regard to the Mobility Plan, there are a few details that need particular attention:

1) There will be a method of reducing the 'trip length' for developors who are able to demonstrate that their project does not put as many automobile trips on the road as a typical development.  An example would be a downtown residential project where many of the residents would presumably work downtown.  Another would be a TOD.  The general formula has been clearly defined, however, this aspect of it has not.

You can find more information about the trip generation adjustments in Section 11.1 (page 48 of the linked pdf).

http://www.coj.net/NR/rdonlyres/ehueomh7juwh5kuhxdpd25gjavdkhpphnqqanzja7qf56ssrcuibw4cwesemltjvjq4lfwktt2lmaqoujrgz2pvykkg/Appendix+1+-Text.pdf

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2) The fees collected will go into a fund for mobility projects and will be prioritized so that an entire improvement project is funded before rolling down to the next project.  My concern with this is who decides which project is a priority?

At this point, I believe all of the projects have been prioritized already as a part of the plan.

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I am hopeful that the money will be spread between the different categories according to the percentages assigned to each (road, bicycle, pedestrian and transit) and then rolled down the list within each category.  For example, if there is a large roadway project on the list and it needs to be fully funded, then we can forget about seeing any bicycle or pedestrian projects for a while.

A percentage of funds will be set aside for bike/ped projects to avoid the scenario described above.

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3) My last concern is that we don't see what happened to education funding when they sold the lottery program.  Will they safeguard the mobility fund money so that it doesn't eventually become the sole source of transportation funding?

Transportation funds come from a variety sources for infrastructure projects maintained by a variety of agencies.  Mobility Plan or not, funds for federal and state projects will still be available for roadway facilities they maintain on some level.

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It would be great to have a Metro Jacksonville Q&A forum with Bill Killingsworth, TR Hainline and some of the others who created the plan.

That would be great. We'll see what we can do.

dougskiles

December 15, 2010, 06:09:54 AM
Thanks Lakelander - great to meet you in person yesterday.  I look for more discussion to come from this plan.  Paragraph 2 of Section 11.1 that you referenced in response to my question about trip reductions had something in there that was particularly interesting:

"Household densities less than the average of three dwelling units per acre result in an increase in trips per residential unit yielding an increase in VMT and a corresponding increase in the mobility fee calculations.  For example, an isolated rural development with 15-acre lots and no alternative to private vehicle travel could actually warrant an increase in the $50.9698 cost per VMT."

I would be surprised if this gets through without the attention of the NEFBA - but if it does, it would go a long way to discourage sprawl.

thelakelander

December 15, 2010, 06:34:03 AM
The PDF on the city's site appears to have not been updated as of yet.  NEFBA had representatives on the Mobility Plan Task Force, so I'm sure they're aware and their concerns have been included in the modified plan.  So, some of those numbers were most likely revised during the task force meetings over the last year. For example, I thought Killingsworth mentioned the VMT number as being around $24 yesterday.

dougskiles

December 15, 2010, 07:08:37 AM
I was thinking the same.  He did say $24 per VMT.  I wonder how much 'penalty' there will be, if any, to projects that promote sprawl.  Great that NEFBA was part of the plan, another example of how Bill is building consensus so that we can actually get something done.

thelakelander

December 15, 2010, 08:47:49 AM
From my understanding, there is no penalty.  Instead, there is an incentive to reduce the mobility fee if you design your project in a manner that reduces the amount of VMT it generates. 

Ocklawaha

December 16, 2010, 06:28:16 PM
FINISHING one leg of the Skyway down to Atlantic makes all the sense in the world, so here are a few questions I posed to it's designer.

Talking to Steve Arrington about the Skyway several months ago and asked why we don't expand it beyond the Hilton with TRUE-MONORAIL track, IE: without building the elevated driveway and sidewalls.

Answer: We don't need too, there isn't MUCH difference in the cost.

Question: Why not redesign the stations with a much smaller footprint and/or kiosks for food and retail that would create a sense of community and purpose?

Answer:  We don't need to the stations work fine as they are.

Question: Why not bring the Skyway down to ground level at Atlantic Avenue, so we could create a single platform between Skyway and (future commuter rail) Trains, and Skyway and Buses.

Answer: We don't want too because people might walk on the track...

Well, if the priority project of getting the Skyway into some REAL destination is indeed built, here is my answer to a couple of those questions. Tell me who is walking on those tracks? Tell me again WHY we can't just plant hedges rather then building walls? Tell me WHY we can't streamline the whole track at a considerable discount? Inquiring minds want to know?



<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/VK_YvcxDT9E?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/VK_YvcxDT9E?fs=1&amp;amp;hl=en_US</a>
TOKYO DISNEY - STEVE ARRINGTON, if you see this note the video at 1:08 and beyond.   I think if we did these changes, we might actually see some of the claims of economy that were made for this thing back in 1980.

OCKLAWAHA

ricker

December 29, 2010, 05:18:28 AM
so much reading in so many scattered places...
SOMEONE who KNOWS..
the Park St - Lee St viaduct.
when was it originally constructed?
torn down once and rebuilt?
will it in fact be replaced again in favor of SAVING OUR TUNNELS?
the coolest thing ever in JAX. absitively posolutely

Ocklawaha

December 29, 2010, 07:21:55 PM
Just to make it clear, I am NOT talking about running the Skyway any distance at ground level, ONLY at the terminals where cross platform connections are possible. More then likely that would mean Shand's and San Marco (at Atlantic). The stations at Riverside and Forest, Stadium and West Bay are likely to remain elevated. So PLEASE no questions about railroad crossings over the Skyway, or pedestrians walking down the Skyway track... WON'T HAPPEN!

OCKLAWAHA

dougskiles

December 30, 2010, 06:41:26 AM
Which would you rather see - the skyway extended from Central Station (Bay & Hogan) to the sports complex - or - a street car running along Riverside Avenue & Bay Street (to the stadium)?

My vote would be for the street car because it is at ground level and could have more stops along the way, thereby encouraging more ecomonic development.

Ocklawaha

December 30, 2010, 08:44:35 AM
In this choice of one or the other I'd say Skyway. The reasons are Bay Street with it's heavy traffic and stadium traffic avalanches is NOT a good place for a streetcar. Remember in spite of the many advantages over buses, the achilles heal of the streetcar is that it CAN NOT go around a fender bender.

A better route for streetcars would be from Riverside to Forest, to Myrtle, to Bay, to Lee, to Water, to Independence, to Newnan, to Beaver and hence east into the stadium area. The streetcar should avoid both the Riverside-Acosta bridge ramps for reasons of traffic and speeds, and the Lee Street Viaduct because it MUST come down in order to restore Jacksonville Terminal and bring Amtrak back downtown.

The Skyway already "owns" the right-of-way on East Bay Street and the Hogan Street junction is 1/2 finished (like the rest of the damn thing).


OCKLAWAHA

thelakelander

December 30, 2010, 09:03:32 AM
I'm of the opinion that Bay Street would benefit from a lane diet.  If game traffic wants to speed to get to I-95, they should be directed to MLK Parkway, imo.  Assuming that happened, a streetcar could run on its own ROW similar to Tampa's TECO or New Orleans' Canal Street.  Such a design would dramatically reduce the need to go around fender benders.



Ocklawaha

December 30, 2010, 09:58:08 AM
Private right-of-way is the only way to go IF you can convince the COJ to give up the lanes. Considering the mysterious urge to send thousands of cars from the stadiums and get them out of town as fast as possible that might be a tough sell. Beaver Street unlike any of the others gives us a shot at two major things, first, a private right of way between downtown and the stadium areas, and two, access to the old right of way straight north to Springfield and Gateway.






This last one could be labeled WTF?

On a side note, I absolutely hate some of the newer streetcar track where they bury the damn thing in concrete no matter if it's in the street or in a cow pasture. Track DOES NOT need to be paved, and worse still paving the track limits access for maintenance. I'm sure the contractors that sell this stuff don't care, and no matter what they tell JTA or the COJ, they'll be long gone before we need to start replacing rail, or leveling low spots, which is when the excrement will hit the mechanical ventilating device.

Track in the green, such as the original Jacksonville Traction Company's "Worlds most beautiful streetcar line's,' in Springfield, Ortega, Murray Hill etc. is not only far more accessible it is also more appealing to the eye.

Streetcar green space can be used to change the look of entire neighborhoods. Can you visualize what a complete cleansing of the old railroad right of way from Arlington Expressway north to King Edward/21 St would do for those neighborhoods?  Hell Ionia might go to the head of the class for restoration homes and businesses.


OCKLAWAHA

thelakelander

December 30, 2010, 10:38:28 AM
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Private right-of-way is the only way to go IF you can convince the COJ to give up the lanes. Considering the mysterious urge to send thousands of cars from the stadiums and get them out of town as fast as possible that might be a tough sell.

All you need is a change at the top and the rest of the departments will fall in line.  Hopefully, change in the right direction will happen with the upcoming Mayor's race.
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