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FDOT Secretary to provide update on Outer Beltway

Florida Department of Transportation Secretary Ananth Prasad will be in Jacksonville this Thursday to provide the community with an update on the status of the First Coast Outer Beltway. Metro Jacksonville encourages the general public to attend and express your concerns about the pending implementation of Jacksonville's latest superhighway.

Published August 22, 2012 in Transit      50 Comments    Open printer friendly version of this article Print Article


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North Florida TPO Notice of Board Meeting

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Thursday, August 23 at 10 a.m. - 12 noon

FDOT Training Center, 2198 Edison Avenue

Jacksonville, FL


Florida Department of Transportation Secretary Ananth Prasad has requested a special meeting to provide an update to the North Florida Transportation Planning Organization (TPO) Board on the First Coast Outer Beltway and to receive guidance from the Board. An opportunity for public comment will be provided following the presentation and before and Board action.


About The Outer Beltway

The First Coast Outer Beltway is a proposed $1.8 billion, 46.5 mile, four-lane limited access toll facility that includes the St. Johns River Crossing Corridor in St. Johns and Clay Counties and the Branan Field-Chaffee Road (SR 23) project in Clay and Duval Counties.

In early 2011 the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) abandoned the plan to find a private company to build the entire 46.6 mile beltway and just focus on building the 15 mile section between I-10 and SR-21 (Blanding Blvd). This section is partly built and would need flyovers built and widening done for the expressway to be complete. It is expected to cost around $291 million and would be a tollway.

In August 2011, the FDOT announced that the Florida's Turnpike Enterprise will be taking on the $291 million project of turning the 15-mile stretch into a tollway. Construction on the road is expected to begin in 2012 and be open by 2016. As for the remaining 30+ miles of the beltway, the FDOT is still trying to find a private partnership to build that section of the road, but currently none has been found.

According to the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT), all tolls will be done electronically and compatible with SunPass used in other parts of the state with no toll booths. There will be two exceptions to the tollroad. The 3-mile section between I-10 and SR 134 (103rd Street) will not be tolled to help promote growth in the Cecil Commerce Center. Also people living around the Shands Bridge area will be exempt from tolls on the Shands Bridge crossing the St. Johns River.



For residents who can't or are not willing to pay a daily toll to access their existing residences and businesses, a network of local streets will be made available, including frontage roads paralleling a portion of the Outer Beltway.




Ultimately, if fully constructed, the First Coast Outer Beltway will take a serpentine route through the counties of St. Johns, Clay and Duval, linking Interstates 10 and 95. FDOT believes future drivers will be willing to drive miles out of the way and pay tolls in order to bypass traffic congestion on I-295, Blanding, Roosevelt and San Jose Boulevards. Others believe this highway will turn Clay and St. Johns Counties into economic powerhouses.



First Coast Outer Beltway typical cross section (click on image to enlarge)

One glaring omission in this conceptual cross section is the lack of sidewalks or a multiuse path.  Considering, the major purpose of this project is to help stimulate new development in Clay County and Jacksonville's westside, making this a multimodal corridor from the start seems like a logical decision.  Before, the naysayers claim that it can't be done, Tampa's Suncoast Parkway already suggests otherwise.  


The Gulf Coast's Suncoast Parkway's Suncoast Trail indicates that alternative modes of transportation can be integrated into limited access roadway projects.


A multi-use trail paralleling the Suncoast Parkway


This new highway in Central Florida's Polk County was designed to include a separated multiuse path before the corridor is overwhelmed with suburban development.  


New development at Clay County's Oakleaf Plantation.

With the proposed Outer Beltway, the right-of-way is there and the land is already zoned for millions of square feet for residential, commerical and industrial uses. Oakleaf, alone, is expected to have over 11,000 residents at buildout.

If we're going to pay nearly $300 million to construct this project, while overlooking the additional costs needed to maintain it for eternity, let's at least get it right and make it multimodal friendly.

Update by Ennis Davis







50 Comments

avonjax

August 22, 2012, 07:01:02 AM
We love our roads no matter the cost. And I haven't heard anyone scream about tolls.
I wonder if the people of the counties involved would have voted in favor of this?

finehoe

August 22, 2012, 09:33:29 AM
Talk about a waste of money...

Ocklawaha

August 22, 2012, 09:43:52 AM
I love the way this thing angles northwest from Middleburg to Cecil, then they claim it will help 'residents' get from Middleburg into downtown Jacksonville! BRILLIANT. I always go half way to Lake City to get downtown.

Captain Zissou

August 22, 2012, 09:47:52 AM
This whole thing feels like watching a slow train crash.

Gators312

August 22, 2012, 09:54:04 AM
Kopelousos got the County Manager job for a reason....this is it.

gedo3

August 22, 2012, 10:31:34 AM
But, folks, we have solved all our other problems.  And there's nothing else to spend taxes on.  So this is wonderful...another fun spending spree!

If_I_Loved_you

August 22, 2012, 10:48:06 AM
"And I haven't heard anyone scream about tolls" OK I'M SCREAMING TOLLS ARE STUPID! I find it so sad that everyone seems to get so upset if we raise the sales tax for everybody half of a cent. I was so glad when tolls were removed here in Jacksonville, Fl. It was a happy day. Oh sure you had some people say I don't use the bridges to get across the river why should I pay more in taxes? Well you can't please everybody can you? Now I believe this project is a waste of money with or without a toll. But the fdot and I get paid 0.06 cents governor Rick Scott believe its the best way to pay for this road for some to bypass Jacksonville Fl. and don't think for a second people won't. Sit near state road 301 in Baldwin for an hour and watch all the out of state traffic that bypasses Jacksonville all the time. I'm surprised that fdot hasn't decided to put "tolls" on 301 between Baldwin and Yulee to make money for this new road project?

urbanlibertarian

August 22, 2012, 11:23:08 AM
If they added a multi-use path what would the toll be on it?

John P

August 22, 2012, 11:28:59 AM
The train has left the station on this massive waste. Isnt the mobility fee issue going to come up before the cioty council soon? That should a BIG focus for advocates of smart planning, evironmentalists, the elderly, bicycle groups, predestrain safety groups, downtown revitalization groups and hell property owners in general because the more inventory there is with unused exisiting homes and commercial space the less everything is worth. There goes tax base.

Egodriver71

August 22, 2012, 01:19:52 PM
Map shows toll free to New World, article indicates toll free to 103rd St?

Conflicting information.

Oh, and it was only a matter of time for tolls to come back here.  Politicians can't keep from not doing some sort of money grab on us citizens!!!

thelakelander

August 22, 2012, 01:48:37 PM
The map showing toll free to New World is right. Oh, and the road is toll because there is no other way to fund it. Roads like these are huge money losers, which is why the private sector won't touch it with a ten foot pole. Making these toll means they won't burn as much money. However, if we were really concerned about the financial burden placed on the taxpayer, this particular project would have died years ago.

tufsu1

August 22, 2012, 04:38:35 PM
heck, the new I-275 from Westshore to downtown Tampa will have a trail...if they can fit one in there, surely they can on this behemoth

cityimrov

August 22, 2012, 05:19:34 PM
When this road fails, will Jacksonville be liable for it?  Can the city ask for future rail money and not be burdened or even asked any questions about the $300 million newly built road system the state built? 

thelakelander

August 22, 2012, 06:05:01 PM
The better question is when rural Old Middleburg Road fails, due to increased local traffic trying to avoid paying tolls to get to and from home everyday, will the state be willing to pay for its widening?  Also, we've dumped a ton of money into Collins Road already.  However, a large portion of it and the new extension to Old Middleburg are only two lanes.  Will proceeds from tolls help with the upkeep of these local roads, which will begin to play a more important role than they currently do today?  If not, is there a funding mechanism or plan in place at the local level to mitigate the future results?

tufsu1

August 22, 2012, 08:47:40 PM
^ don't worry...there are plans to extend Collins to new outer beltway too :)

thelakelander

August 22, 2012, 09:20:31 PM
Interesting. Who's paying for it and what is the estimated cost of the extension and four laning to I-295?

tufsu1

August 22, 2012, 09:31:05 PM
neither has been defined yet...but its in some local and regional plans

Ocklawaha

August 22, 2012, 09:43:07 PM
Guess if we've got to build new roads around here, I'd rather see them actually better connect us with neighboring towns and cities. Just for fun, a 2 lane with a 4 lane right of way, could be built from the west end of SR-104 (Dunn Avenue) at New Kings, in a air line to the east end of Florida highway 2, in Nassau County. Yeah, it WOULD line up with Georgia 64, and the Georgia-Florida Parkway, which also will line up with I-22.  Interstate 22 (I-22), when it is completed, will follow the U.S. Highway 78 corridor along a 213-mile-long (343-kilometer) route from Memphis, Tennessee, to Birmingham, Alabama, as an Interstate Highway.  Interstate 22 will connect Interstate 240 (Tennessee) and Interstate 40 and Interstate 55 (indirectly) in the northwest with Interstate 65 and (indirectly) Interstate 20 and Interstate 59 in the southeast. Hence, I-22 will help form a freeway to connect downtown Atlanta with Birmingham, Memphis, Little Rock, and Oklahoma City. It WOULD be very lucrative to be the east coast sea port on this road! Hello? JAXPORT? Anybody Home?

The other pie-in-the-sky road wish is rather then following the curve onto the 4 lane portion of Old Middleburg, we'd introduce another curve southwest, skirting in and out of the east edge of Jennings State Forest and cutting across to 301 north of Starke. Talk about a cut-off.

I also have always wondered why the city never got back on the Commodore Point Expressway project and go ahead and extend it exactly as it comes down on Beach, with retaining walls holding a 4 lane Expressway, and 2, 2 lane distributer roads on either side, all the way to an interchange at Southside, Blvd.. Also if the Emerson Street Expressway were pushed southwest in the form of Southside Blvd, or the Arlington Expressway, not only could we 'clean up' a ugly row of seedy businesses we could link up with I-95 offering another route downtown.

Southside Blvd. could also be 'improved' to Expressway standards without much effort. at least between Beach and JTB.

JAXPORT could use a 4 lane Expressway from the Blount Island Terminals, roughly following their railroad all the way to Main Street or I-95 or US-1 or US-301... Think I-22!

HA HA! Okay, I've had my fun for the evening... LOL!

thelakelander

August 22, 2012, 09:51:52 PM
neither has been defined yet...but its in some local and regional plans
So ultimately local money that we obviously don't have.  Now, if there were no Outer Beltway, would an extension be showing up on local and regional plans as a higher priority project?  If not, I'd make the argument that an extension of Collins Road is another example of a hidden cost to taxpayers that should be added to the cost of the initial project.

BackinJax05

August 23, 2012, 12:34:50 AM
This road is a huge waste of money & resources - just like the Suncoast Parkway.

If they want to make it REALLY multimodal, how about adding a light rail line somewhere to the mix.

thelakelander

August 23, 2012, 12:38:28 AM
Not enough asphalt, oil, green overhead signs and virgin soil in the mix to seriously consider something like LRT.

BackinJax05

August 23, 2012, 12:40:11 AM
^^Touche'

Bill Hoff

August 23, 2012, 06:59:20 AM
Is anyone going to the forum today?

tufsu1

August 23, 2012, 09:20:01 AM
it isn't really a forum...more of a briefing

fsujax

August 23, 2012, 09:22:03 AM
It is a monthly meeting that the TPO holds, just happens to be at a different location today. Must be expecting larger than normal crowd.

thelakelander

August 23, 2012, 10:21:35 AM
HereI'm here. It's a pretty large crowd. The TPO is expected to vote on a resolution to support the project.

thelakelander

August 23, 2012, 10:53:57 AM
Wow. The Secretary pretty much just told the TPO to support this road as a toll today or FDOT is taking their road money elsewhere. I expect the TPO to go spread eagle. With that said, I don't think this thing is needed and its a waste of money but if they're going to build it, it better be toll.

thelakelander

August 23, 2012, 11:07:39 AM
Lots of Clay County people here. Claim they need an expressway for growth. It's their top priority project. Oh, and the tolls are intended to only fund and maintain the actual road. All other associated infrastructure costs will be on the back of local taxpayers.

tufsu1

August 23, 2012, 03:46:27 PM
several MJ posters were in the audience today....in the end, the TPO Board unanimously approved moving forward with the first phase of the Outer beltway (from I-10 to Blanding)....FDOT will be going out to bid on design/build contract next month and construction is expected to begin in March 2013

thelakelander

August 23, 2012, 05:00:23 PM
Some notes I took while listening the beltway presentation today.

1. FDOT said they've spent $239 million maintaining and upgrading the former toll bridges through town, since the tolls were removed.  They said not one red cent of the sales tax money that replaced the tolls has been given to them.

2. Since Jax residents have paid $26 million to construct the existing portion of the Outer Beltway in Duval, they won't toll the section between I-10 and New World Parkway.  FDOT claims by not tolling this section, they are losing $47 million in lost toll revenue.

3. If you drive from Blanding to I-10, you'll pay $2.20 in tolls.  However, they expect the average toll per trip on the Outer Beltway will be in the range of $1.20 to $1.50.  If you lived out there and choose to drive on the Outer Beltway, that adds up between $876 to $1,095 in tolls per year.  Hopefully, you don't have a two car household, lol.

4. Something like $187 million has already been invested in the road so far.  That cost hasn't been included in the construction numbers being tossed around now.

5. As predicted here, toll revenue is anticipated to only cover the construction of maintenance of the Outer Beltway itself.  Funding for local roads that will have to be expanded or widened, new schools, police/fire, etc. from potential new development will be the responsibility of the local taxpayer.

6. They believe the highway will create 65,000 jobs when its completed.  As Stephendare would say, I'll bet you a dollar it doesn't.

7. If there's one thing that FDOT was dead on in this presentation is about it needing to be a toll road.  You bet your bottom dollar this thing needs to have tolls.  Money to burn on this type of infrastructure doesn't grow on trees and we can't even keep our public libraries operating properly, much less find money in our budget for something like this.  Ultimately, the proper answer would have been "thanks but no thanks, FDOT," but as a whole, we haven't realized that these type of projects actually bankrupt us long term. 

8. Some guy in Clay County stood up to talk in support of the Outer Beltway and mentioned Jacksonville's I-295 on the Westside as a good example.  However, I-295 was constructed in 1970.  It's been around over 40 years now.  COJ should be swimming in cash with multiple investments like this over the years but our budget is still in the red.

9. There were contradictions as well.  Clay County is sold that companies employing thousands of workers will flock to their community because they'll have their first expressway, even though those company workers will have to shell out toll money twice a day to get to and from work.  On the flip end, Jacksonville people thanked FDOT for not tolling the section between I-10 and Cecil Commerce Center.  They say that if it were tolled, it would hurt Cecil's ability to attract economic development.  Hmmm....

10. Oh, and the Outer Beltway has been someone's wet dream since the 1960s.  It took a half century but someone is finally going to round home plate.

pwhitford

August 23, 2012, 05:29:56 PM
God help us, the lunatics are in charge of the asylum ...

From the FTU:

State moving forward with First Coast Outer Beltway - Construction from Interstate 10 to Blanding Boulevard begins next year

Posted: August 23, 2012 - 12:54pm  |  Updated: August 23, 2012 - 4:00pm

By Larry Hannan

The Florida Department of Transportation will begin building the First Coast Outer Beltway as a toll road from Interstate 10 in Duval County to Blanding Boulevard in Clay County in 2013.

The First Coast Outer Beltway is also known as Branan Field Road or Florida 23. As part of the $230 million project the state will take the existing 15-mile Cecil Commerce Parkway and Branan Field Road and turn it into a four-lane toll road with flyovers built at New World Avenue, Normandy Boulevard, 103rd Street and other roadways that intersect the road.

For the first time Thursday the state released a list of estimated tolls for the roadway. It would cost $2.20 to travel all the way from I-10 to Blanding, with five separate tolls being assessed.

State officials said they would move forward with the project after the North Florida Transportation Planning Organization unanimously supported the state’s plan to build it as a toll road Thursday morning. Florida Secretary of Transportation Ananth Prasad said the state would have walked away from the project without the local support.

The project will be financed by the Florida Turnpike Enterprise, which will get its money back from the tolls. Traffic from I-10 will not be tolled until after New World Avenue. This allows people to travel to and from the Cecil Commerce Center without having to pay a toll.

Construction from I-10 to about a mile north of Argyle Forest Boulevard will begin in March 2013, with construction down to Blanding Boulevard beginning in Sept. 2013. Both sections of road will take about three years to complete.

The state also unveiled it’s most comprehensive argument Tuesday on why toll roads should come back to Jacksonville. Voters approved a half cent sales tax in 1988 that did away with tolls the Jacksonville Transportation Authority assessed on the Mathews, Hart, Fuller Warren and Trout River bridges and on Butler Boulevard - and were planned for the new Dames Point bridge.

Critics like former Mayor Tommy Hazouri have argued that bringing tolls back to Jacksonville violates a promise made to the citizens who approved the 1988 tax. But state officials reject that argument.

“The Florida Department of Transportation has received no revenue from this sales tax,” said James Bennett, Florida Department of Transportation’s urban development manager. “But we have done $239 million in improvements on the bridges that were once tolled over the years.”

Prasad said the current sales taxes and gas taxes that fund transportation are not sufficient to build something like the Outer Beltway. He asked the TPO, which prioritizes long-term transportation projects and has representation from every county government in Northeast Florida, to vote in favor of the project because he wanted it on record that Northeast Florida supported building the toll road.

TPO members voting in favor included Jacksonville City Council President Bill Bishop, County Council member Reggie Brown, Clay Commissioner Doug Conkey, St. Johns Commissioner Danny Leeper and St. Johns Commissioner Mark Miner.

One person who has not been completely supportive is Jacksonville Mayor Alvin Brown, who was not at Thursday’s meeting. Last year officials with the Brown administration said the mayor supported the road, but was opposed to tolling it.

Prasad shrugged when asked about the Mayor’s lack of support.

“With all due respect to Mayor Brown, this is not his decision to make,” Prasad said. “I don’t tell him how to do his budget and he doesn’t tell me whether we can build the Outer Beltway.”

Prasad said he would have no problem with Jacksonville repealing the 1988 sales tax.

“I don’t think sales taxes should fund road capacity,” he said. “You don’t want to rely on people buying a pair of jeans to build a road.”

But Jacksonville General Counsel Cindy Laquidara has previously said that can’t happen

The city and JTA took out bonds to finance Better Jacksonville road projects and the current principal outstanding on the transportation bonds is $554.2 million, add in interest payments and the total debt service is $866.7 million.

The sales tax cannot be repealed until the bonds are paid off, or the city finds another revenue stream to replace the sales tax, Laquidara said.

“The sales tax revenue has been legally pledged to pay back the bonds, “ Laquidara said.

About 20 public speakers urged the TPO to support the Outer Beltway, with arguments it would help bring economic development into the region. Supportive speakers included Green Cove Springs Mayor Pam Lewis, executive vice president of JAX Chamber Jerry Mallot, St. Johns Chamber of Commerce President Kirk Wendland, former Clay County Commissioner and current state Senate candidate Rob Bradley and State Rep. Lake Ray, R-Jacksonville.

Clay County resident Curt Kinder was the only speaker to express reservation about the Beltway, worrying that local residents wouldn’t use the toll road, and that would cause congestion on other roads.

Kinder advocated building frontage roads along the Beltway to ease the traffic problems.

Tolls will be collected using a fully automated system called SunPass, which has become ubiquitous in areas like Interstate 95 in Miami and on the Florida Turnpike.

SunPass does not have toll booths; it allows traffic to move at full speed through a toll area that automatically deducts tolls from a credit card account via a transponder that has been attached to the front windshield of someone’s car.

If someone doesn’t have a transponder in their car, the license plate is photographed and a bill is sent to the owner of the car.

The state still has to figure out a way to extend the road 31 miles down to I-95 in St. Johns County. The state’s plan had been to hire a private partner that would build the roadway and then maintain it and charge the tolls.

Prasad said once the portion from I-10 to Blanding was built, private companies would be more willing to step up and do the next section because the area from I-10 to Blanding would be making money.

“There were some companies willing to build this section,” Prasad said, referring to the area from I-10 to Blanding, “But the tolls would have been to high.”

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/florida/2012-08-23/story/state-moving-forward-first-coast-outer-beltway#ixzz24PI8lC3f

thelakelander

August 23, 2012, 05:42:06 PM
^Being there, it was pretty funny listening to the FDOT Secretary telling them he's ready to take his road money and go home if they don't accept his tolling structure.  After that, pure groveling and ring kissing.  One could definitely tell who was the Don Juan in the room.

jcjohnpaint

August 23, 2012, 07:48:46 PM
Maybe he learns from the developers. 
Sounds like s#Hit to me.  There are so many holes in this argument. 
Quote:
Critics like former Mayor Tommy Hazouri have argued that bringing tolls back to Jacksonville violates a promise made to the citizens who approved the 1988 tax. But state officials reject that argument.
“The Florida Department of Transportation has received no revenue from this sales tax,” said James Bennett, Florida Department of Transportation’s urban development manager. “But we have done $239 million in improvements on the bridges that were once tolled over the years.”
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Then where does the money go? 


thelakelander

August 23, 2012, 08:41:04 PM
They say the money never leaves local hands.  So I guess JTA and COJ.

tufsu1

August 23, 2012, 09:05:05 PM
4. Something like $187 million has already been invested in the road so far.  That cost hasn't been included in the construction numbers being tossed around now.

they've spent $170 million so far....expect construction to be another $230 million....so $400m total

jcjohnpaint

August 23, 2012, 09:36:43 PM
ugh we can't win!

Know Growth

August 23, 2012, 09:45:01 PM
The Beltway concept is a decades old booster dream.
From the earliest days of the Local Government Planning Act,Clay County future roadway map depicted a broad loop aligned further west at the approach to Penny Farms.
Reinhold Corp. has been a key Beltway promoter,crucial Brannon Chaffee and Lake Asbury Sector Plans.

We were able to reroute away from the Ravines Conservation area,hence the previously envisioned southwest bulge has been tucked in.

Note the entire project got it's juice from the erroneous promotion of Brannon Chaffee road as "alternate" to Blanding Blvd.MPO Chief Calvin Burney stated in the press that 30,000 cars a day(ADT) would use Brannon Chaffee 'as soon as it opens'- in fact,30,000 ADT would only occur after a period of modeled time,and largely as a result of the 'growth' BC would spur.

Eventually "stand alone" I-10 to Blanding DOT Corps of Engineers/Water Management District permit application process got a nudge towards approval from Mayor Delaney.

Former Trust for Public Lands 1900 acre mitigation parcel became abbreviated-600 acres reserved in natural state....the rest became Oak Leaf.

Who here can recite when the legally binding NO BUILD option quietly came,and went?!

The episodes the citizens of lake Asbury experienced remind me of current events Avondale.

tufsu1

August 23, 2012, 09:46:44 PM
The Beltway concept is a decades old booster dream.

exactly....the power brokers (especially in Clay County) love this thing!

and as far as the NO BUILD option that know growth refers to, the southern 2/3 of the project hasn't received its federal environmental approvals yet...so the NO BUILD isn't completely dead just yet

Know Growth

August 23, 2012, 09:55:01 PM
The Beltway concept is a decades old booster dream.

exactly....the power brokers (especially in Clay County) love this thing!

........so the NO BUILD isn't completely dead just yet

You obviously do not understand this aspect of previously potentially binding pre PD&I yourself.

thelakelander

August 23, 2012, 10:04:08 PM
Oh, they were throwing the praises today about how this new highway would even stimulate new growth at Jaxport.  However, at least Clay County was honest about why its their top priority project.  They want more sprawl development and aren't afraid to admit it.  While I believe the type of growth pattern they're promoting is somewhat outdated and unsustainable, at least they are honest about their intentions.

Know Growth

August 23, 2012, 10:22:53 PM
However, at least Clay County was honest about why its their top priority project.  They want more sprawl development and aren't afraid to admit it.  While I believe the type of growth pattern they're promoting is somewhat outdated and unsustainable, at least they are honest about their intentions.

State DCA had to scale back Clay County Brannon Chaffee Sector Plan,Lake Asbury Sector Plan desires.

Don't think for a minute Clay County boosters,residents are visioning commute to Duval (no matter how rail/street car et al idyllic). The call for 'employment centers' within Clay a component of future growth.

thelakelander

August 23, 2012, 10:28:20 PM
Oh, they are open about it.  I'm just not sold that companies will be flocking to build along a road where their employees will be forced to pay daily tolls.  Just look at the rest of the toll roads across the State verses the ones where tolls aren't charged.  The majority of the type of economic growth Clay is dreaming about, don't flock to toll roads.  Just along the beltway alone, if its Clay verses Cecil, I'm locating near Cecil and I-10.

thelakelander

August 24, 2012, 04:50:46 PM
This was the picture that popped in my head when the FDOT secretary was making the quoted statement below:



Quote
“If you direct us today by passing the resolution, we are ready to go forward and invest $230 million in construction projects and get this economy going and this region going,” FDOT Secretary Ananth Prasad said before the vote.

He warned the board that not approving the resolution would mean an end to funding for the beltway, a project estimated to cost a total of $1.8 billion.

“I have $30 billion in unfunded needs in this state. I cannot keep spending millions of dollars on corridors where nobody wants corridors to be built. I’ve got other places, many projects, many communities who are more than willing to have us come down and make infrastructure improvements,” said Prasad.

http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=537333

Btw, I do believe the community asked for less than $1 million to keep the Mayport Ferry up and running and was told to go take a hike.

tufsu1

August 24, 2012, 06:09:36 PM
they asked for $200,000 and were turned down...never mind that FDOT subsidizes a ferry in the keys every year with more than double that amount

jcjohnpaint

August 24, 2012, 11:24:33 PM
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oligarchy

spuwho

August 31, 2012, 12:49:18 AM
Well, tell the FDOT Secretary there are precedents for the people over riding an officials authority.

The Illinois Prairie Parkway http://www.prairie-parkway.com/ was just removed from federal funding after a concerted effort by Citizens Against Sprawlway http://www.sprawlway.org/ began to ring up the litigation costs of the highway to the point where they started challenging every land purchase.

It also didn't help that former House Speaker Dennis Hastert made a cool $2 Million after his last earmark paid for the route planning which just happen to place the road through his 138 acres. Hmmm.

While many agreed that the road will be needed in the next 30-40 years and that land acquisition today was a cost effective hedge for the future, the facts bore out that the road supported no indigenous industry, commercial development or municipality. It simply provided a way for trucks to bypass the toll based Chicago tollroads.

The Chicago Tribune reports:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-23/news/ct-met-prairie-parkway-0824-20120824_1_prairie-parkway-sprawlway-transportation-projects
that it would have cost over 1 billion dollars (sounds familiar).

The Prairie Parkway:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prairie_Parkway

Charles Hunter

September 22, 2013, 06:59:32 PM
Saw a legal notice in today's TU (Metro section), that the Turnpike is holding a toll rate hearing for the Outer Beltway on October 1st.  Can't reproduce the ad, but there is a link:
http://www.floridasturnpike.com/tools_tollratenotices.cfm
Appears to be a web hearing.

spuwho

September 22, 2013, 09:36:16 PM
Saw a legal notice in today's TU (Metro section), that the Turnpike is holding a toll rate hearing for the Outer Beltway on October 1st.  Can't reproduce the ad, but there is a link:
http://www.floridasturnpike.com/tools_tollratenotices.cfm
Appears to be a web hearing.


Florida's Turnpike North Florida Toll Facilities
Toll Rates for SunPass and TOLL-BY-PLATE
Mile Post - Description
2 axle
3 axle
4 axle
5 axle
Add'l axles
2 axle
3 axle
4 axle
5 axle
Add'l axles
PLAZA (Between New World Avenue and Normandy Boulevard)
$0.20
$0.40
$0.60
$0.80
$0.20
$0.45
$0.90
$1.35
$1.80
$0.45
PLAZA (Between Normandy Boulevard and 103rd Street)
$0.20
$0.40
$0.60
$0.80
$0.20
$0.45
$0.90
$1.35
$1.80
$0.45
PLAZA (Between 103rd Street and Argyle Forest Boulevard )
$0.60
$1.20
$1.80
$2.40
$0.60
$0.85
$1.70
$2.55
$3.40
$0.85
PLAZA (Between Argyle Forest Boulevard and Oakleaf Plantation Parkway)
$0.60
$1.20
$1.80
$2.40
$0.60
$0.85
$1.70
$2.55
$3.40
$0.85
PLAZA (Between Oakleaf Plantation Parkway and Blanding Boulevard)
$0.60
$1.20
$1.80
$2.40
$0.60
$0.85
$1.70
$2.55
$3.40
$0.85
A minimum toll amount per trip will be $0.50 for SunPass and $0.75 for TOLL-BY-PLATE.
First Coast Expressway
SunPass Rate
TOLL-BY-PLATE Rate

spuwho

September 22, 2013, 09:40:47 PM
The meeting is twofold.

Amend the Florida Turnpike bylaws to be able to establish policies on the new North Florida Tollway

Set the rates on the North Florida Tollway.

The Bylaw Amendment that the hearing is on is below.



14
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15.0081
Toll Facilities Description and Toll Rate Schedule
.
(1)
The Toll Facilities Description and Toll Rate Schedule,
https://www.flrules.org/gateway/reference.asp?NO=Ref
-
00731
,
effective
July 1, 2013
adopted November 15, 1987, and amended on February 8, 1988, August 1, 1988, February 2, 1989, May 10, 1989, July
1, 1991, August 1, 1991, November 6, 1991, July 11, 1993, November 28, 1993, September 18, 1994, June 6, 1995, July 9,
1995,
January 1, 1996, March 31, 1996, April 28, 1996, June 2, 1996, July 28, 1996, September 23, 1997, November 24, 1997, February
12, 1998, June 30, 1998, July 29, 1998, January 6, 1999, February 9, 1999, April 29, 1999, June 21, 1999, September 4, 2001
,
March 26, 2002, April 10, 2003, October 1, 2003, December 11, 2003, March 7, 2004, May 20, 2004, November 1, 2005, February
5, 2006, July 27, 2006, October 26, 2006, and January 15, 2007, May 17, 2010, and November 30, 2011
,
is hereby incorporated by
this rule and made a part of the rules of the Department. Copies of this Department of Transportation Toll Facilities Descrip
tion and
Toll Rate Schedule are available at no more than cost.
(2) Toll Indexing. Toll rate schedules for the Department toll faci
lities, including Florida Turnpike System toll facilities, are
subject to toll rate adjustments based on the annual Consumer Price Index (CPI).
(a) For the purposes of this rule, the index used is the CPI published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics of
the United States
Department of Labor, which uses 1982
-
1984 as the base, and is the Annual Average for all expenditure items for all urban
consumers, U.S. city average.
(b) Toll rates on these facilities distinguish between transaction methods offered on
the various toll facilities, which are cash
transactions, SunPass pre
-
paid toll transactions, and TOLL
-
BY
-
PLATE video billing transactions. Not all transaction methods are
offered at each toll facility.
(c) Toll Facilities.
1. The Department toll fac
ilities, other than the Florida Turnpike System, affected by toll rate indexing will be Alligator Alley
(Everglades Parkway), Sunshine Skyway Bridge, Beachline East Expressway, and Pinellas Bayway System.
2. The Florida Turnpike System toll facilities a
ffected by toll rate indexing are Florida’s Turnpike Mainline (Southern Coin,
Ticket, and Northern Coin Systems, the Homestead Extension of Florida’s Turnpike (H.E.F.T.), and the Beachline West
Expressway), Polk Parkway, Sawgrass Expressway, Southern Conne
ctor Extension, Seminole Expressway, Suncoast Parkway,
Veterans Expressway, the Florida Turnpike System segment of the Western Beltway, Part C,
and
I
-
4/Selmon Expressway
Interchange (Connector)
, and First Coast
Expressway

.
(d) Base Toll Rates. The base
toll rate is the two
-
axle toll rate for each of the toll transaction methods. On the Beachline East
Expressway the base toll rate for the Department portion of the toll at the Beachline Main Plaza is $0.25.
(e) Multi
-
axle Toll Rate Calculations. On all t
he Department facilities, including Florida Turnpike System toll facilities, except
for the Turnpike Ticket System, the multi
-
axle toll rates equal the number of axles of each vehicle minus one, multiplied by the base
toll rate. On the Turnpike Ticket Sys
tem the multi
-
axle toll rates equal the base rate divided by two and multiplied by the number of
axles.
(f) Indexing of Toll Rates. Indexing of toll rates means adding to the toll rate in effect for the period immediately preced
ing the
indexing adjustme
nt the amount derived by multiplying the percentage change in the CPI times the toll rate in effect immediately
preceding the indexing adjustment. Toll rates for the Department toll facilities, including Florida Turnpike System toll faci
lities, are
subject
to indexing as prescribed below:
1. No later than June 30, 2012:
a. The base cash toll rate on all Department toll facilities, including Florida Turnpike System toll facilities, is being ini
tially
indexed using the percentage change between the CPI for y
ear ending December 31, 2010, and the CPI for year ending December
31, 2005, which is 11.7%.
The base cash toll rate will be adjusted to the next higher quarter ($0.25) on the Department toll facilities,
including Florida Turnpike System toll facilities, e
xcept the Turnpike Ticket System, which will be adjusted to the next higher dime
($0.10).
b. For all toll locations not having cash toll rates, the base TOLL
-
BY
-
PLATE toll rate for each of those locations on all
Department toll facilities, including Flori
da Turnpike System toll facilities, is being initially indexed using the percentage change
between the CPI for year ending December 31, 2010, and the CPI for year ending December 31, 2005, which is 11.7%. The base
TOLL
-
BY
-
PLATE toll rate will be adjusted t
o the next higher quarter ($0.25) on the Department toll facilities, including Florida
Turnpike System toll facilities, except the Turnpike Ticket System, which will be adjusted to the next higher dime ($0.10).
c. The base toll rates for SunPass transactio
ns on all Department toll facilities, including Florida Turnpike System toll facilities,
except the Turnpike Ticket System, will be a quarter ($0.25) less than the adjusted base cash toll rate for each toll locatio
n, and 25%
less than the adjusted base cas
h toll rate on the Turnpike Ticket System.
d. TOLL
-
BY
-
PLATE toll rates are set to equal the adjusted base cash toll rate.
2. Beginning on July 1, 2013 and on each subsequent July 1st thereafter:
a. Toll rates for SunPass transactions on all Department toll facilities, including Florida Turnpike System toll facilities,
will be
indexed annually using the base SunPass toll rate for the immediately preceding fiscal year multiplied by the percentage ch
ange of
the CPI for the immediately preceding year ended December 31st compared to the CPI for the second most recent year ended
December 31st. CPI adjustments to the base SunPass toll rate will be rounded to the nearest penny ($0.01).
b. Toll rates for
TOLL
-
BY
-
PLATE transactions on all Department toll facilities, including Florida Turnpike System toll
facilities, will be indexed annually using the base TOLL
-
BY
-
PLATE toll rate for the immediately preceding fiscal year multiplied
by the percentage change o
f the CPI for the immediately preceding year ended December 31st compared to the CPI for the second
most recent year ended December 31st. CPI adjustments to the base TOLL
-
BY
-
PLATE toll rate will be rounded to the nearest
penny ($0.01).
3. Beginning July 1
, 2017 and every fifth year thereafter, the base cash toll rate on all Department toll facilities, including
Florida Turnpike System toll facilities, will be indexed using the base cash toll rate for the immediately preceding fiscal y
ear
multiplied by the
percentage change of the CPI for the immediately preceding year ending December 31st compared to the CPI for
the sixth most recent year ending December 31st. For adjustments to the base cash toll rate, if the CPI adjustment would cau
se any
increase to the
toll rate, then the new base cash toll rate will be adjusted to the next higher quarter ($0.25) for all Department toll
facilities, including Florida Turnpike System toll facilities, except the Turnpike Ticke
t
System, which will be adjusted to the next
hi
gher dime ($0.10).
(g) If the resulting CPI ratio is negative, the CPI ratio for that year will be set to zero resulting in no toll rate increas
e that year.
(h) Adjustments to toll rates will be published on the Department website: www.floridasturnpike.com
/tools_tollrates.cfm.
Rulemaking Authority 334.044(2), 338.155(1), 338.231 FS. Law Implemented 334.044(16), 338.155, 338.165, 338.222, 338.2216,
338.231 FS. History

Charles Hunter

September 22, 2013, 09:44:29 PM
I think "toll by plate" is new ...
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