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Urban Neighborhoods: Murray Hill

Metro Jacksonville explores a city that was annexed into Jacksonville in 1925: Murray Hill.

Published June 30, 2010 in Neighborhoods      33 Comments    Open printer friendly version of this article Print Article

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About Murray Hill

Named after a neighborhood in Manhattan, Murray Hill (Heights) is a 1907 replat of the northern section of the Edgewood subdivision, which was platted in the 1880's. In 1914, streetcar service was extended to the community and in 1915, Murray Hill was incorporated as its own town with Hugh Lauder serving as its first mayor. Many early residents were railroad workers who built homes in Murray Hill due of its close proximity to the terminal in Lackawanna. Murray Hill was annexed to the City of Jacksonville at noon on August 15, 1925.




Residential Murray Hill

Primarily developed over the first half of the 20th century, Murray Hill is home to a diverse collection of architectural styles that combine to give the neighborhood a unique sense of place. Residential architectural styles in the area include Bungalow, Craftsman, Prairie School, Colonial, Tudor Revival, Art Deco and Masonry Vernacular. Another unique quality of Murray Hill is the size of its houses. They are typically smaller than those in other local historic districts, making the area much more affordable for first time home buyers.  Currently, there are 3 bedroom/1 bathroom homes listed in the neighborhood for as low as $125k.








916 Talbot Avenue

About Murray Hill: The oldest existing house in Murray Hill was built in 1898 at 916 Talbot Avenue.









About Murray Hill: In 1907, more than half of the lots offered in Murray Hill had been sold for $1,500 each, and about a dozen homes had been constructed.






Ruth Upson Elementary School (The Murray Hill School) opened in 1916 with an enrollment of 48 students.  In 1920, the school was still in the middle of undeveloped land accessed by small cow paths. Sidewalks were built to the school in the early 1920's when the town was incorporated.  After Murray Hill's annexation into Jacksonville in 1925, no other sidewalks were built in the neighborhood until the 1970s.

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Upson was called Murray Hill School when it opened in a three-room facility on a cold gray morning in November 1916. Ruth Upson, the first principal, and two others taught the 43 students who had to trek though muddy cow paths to get to the school.

In 1941, the school was renamed for Upson after a neighborhood petition. She retired in 1949 after 32 years as principal, during which enrollment grew to more than 1,000. She died in 1968. Upson now has 380 students.
Source: Murray Hill school marks its 90th
Florida Times-Union, The (Jacksonville, FL) - Wednesday, April 11, 2007


About Murray Hill: In 1928, houses in Murray Hill were built at a rate of one every two days.








The Murray Hill Baptist Church on Post Street.

About Murray Hill: 4213 Kerle Street is one of only 3 known Sears Kit Homes built in Jacksonville. The "Paloma" model was built by the Whittier family in 1918. Arthur Whittier hired a mule and wagon to transfer the house sections from the railroad tracks to the Kerle Street home site.




The inhabitants of this home at Lark and Antisdale Streets have transformed their entire yard into a garden.




The Murray Hill Presbyterian Church on Post Street.

About Murray Hill: Murray Hill Heights is one of the first subdivisions in Duval County to be planned to accommodate automobiles with paved roads and detached garages.







About Murray Hill: Henrietta Dozier, Jacksonville's first female architect, designed 6 houses on the 4500 block of French Street in 1925.







About Murray Hill: Murray Hill's peak building period occurred during the 1940s, when 1,700 homes were constructed in the area.










About Murray Hill: Busiest Building Years

1940 - 341 houses
1949 - 276 houses
1941 - 265 houses
1928 - 153 houses
1942 - 152 houses




This Murray Hill United Methodist Church building was constructed in 1946.



About Murray Hill: Busiest Building Decades

1940's - 1,701 houses built
1920's - 653 houses built
1950's - 602 houses built
1930's - 404 houses built
1960's - 182 houses built







About Murray Hill: Many of the streets in the area, such as Cassat Avenue and Challen Avenue, are named after investors in the Edgewood Company that platted Edgewood in the 1880’s.

Edgewood Subdivision Trustees

William M. Nelson

Charles C. Mclean (Ingleside)

William J. Harkisheimer (Hamilton)

Elizabeth J. French

Edmund Day

Massillon Cassett

William B. Owen










The Parks of Murray Hill

Platted during an era when pedestrian usability was a priority, Murray Hill's landscape is dominated by a series of parks providing recreational space within walking distance of most of the neighborhood's residents.

Murray Hill Playground

The 10.1 acre Murray Hill Playground is located at 4208 Kingsbury Street.

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In 1941, the heirs of J. Graeme Drew sold the park property to the City. Several athletic associations have used and helped maintain the playground over the years including the Murray Hill Youth Assoc., the Wright Youth Assoc., and most recently the Murray Hill Athletic Assoc. Improvement projects in 2001-2003 added two scoreboards, a walk path, fencing for two T-ball fields, a water feature, three portable shelters, a playscape and more.
http://apps2.coj.net/parksinternet/parkdetails.asp?parkid=83


Murray Hill Four Corners Park

The 7.44 acre Murray Hill Four Corners Park is located at 4602 Lawnview Street.

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The City acquired the park property in six deeds between 1925 and 1939. The passive park takes its name from the property’s location at the four corners of the Lawnview Street and Lamboll Avenue intersection. With input and assistance from the Murray Hill Preservation Association, the City completed an improvement project in 1995 that included a lighted walking and jogging trail (internal to the park), and new benches, irrigation spigots, and trash receptacles.
http://apps2.coj.net/parksinternet/parkdetails.asp?parkid=300


Murray Hill Art Center at Herbert Bayer

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Murray Hill Art Center at Herbert Bayer Park is located in the Murray Hill Heights section of southwest Jacksonville. In 1949, the City purchased the park property, including the building that originally housed the Murray Hill Baptist Church. The park opened soon thereafter, and was originally named for Herbert Bayer (1900-1971), the dean of Florida’s legislative reporters, who lived near the park. Mr. Bayer covered every legislative session for the Florida Times Union between 1925 and his retirement in 1964. After use as a community center, the building sat empty, when through the efforts of the Murray Hill Civic Club and the City, it opened for art programs in 1985. Classes were offered in watercolor painting, weaving, basketry, quilting, pottery and more, and the Civic Club held monthly meetings at the Center. The programs expanded through the 1980’s, and it is the City’s principal visual arts center in 2005.
http://apps2.coj.net/parksinternet/parkdetails.asp?parkid=299


Jasmine Park

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The City purchased the lots for creation of the park in 1928, making it one of the older municipal parks. With two benches and abundant trees, this small park provides an attractive setting for the relaxation and visual enjoyment of area residents.
http://apps2.coj.net/parksinternet/parkdetails.asp?parkid=66


Powers Park

Powers Park is located at 3153 Green Street.
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Powers Park is located in the Murray Hill section of west Jacksonville, two blocks northwest of the McDuff Avenue and Post Street intersection. The City established the park soon after purchasing a three-block tract from Arthur M. Powers (1904-1987) in 1929. A Riverside resident, Mr. Powers was the Secretary-Treasurer of Sabel Brothers, a downtown wholesaler of shoes, shoemaker equipment, and leather goods. He and other family member also sold the City additional property in 1940 and 1955, which was later incorporated into the park. A 1969 report of City recreation space described the site as a well-maintained, passive park, and today it remains a passive facility, without athletic or playground amenities. Powers Park provides a scenic, natural setting with many picturesque trees, and attractive green space for the area’s residents.
http://apps2.coj.net/parksinternet/parkdetails.asp?parkid=303



Additional parks in Murray Hill not photographed include Murray Drive Playground and Cameron Park.  For more information about these public spaces: http://search.coj.net/cgi-bin/MsmFind.exe?QUERY_ENCODING=UTF-8&CFGNAME=MssFindSQ.cfg&QUERY=murray+hill&SQ=X&NO_DL=X



Edgewood Avenue


Edgewood was originally called Murray Hill Avenue and was designed to be a boulevard with a wide landscaped median. As early as the 1930's, the "Avenue of Progress" was a popular commercial district with a large number of specialty shops and four grocery stores.  Edgewood's peak years were between the late 1950's and mid 1970's. Despite the opening of several malls and shopping centers over the decades, several businesses along this corridor have managed to adapt and survive, providing Murray Hill with a traditional town center that most of Jacksonville's neighborhoods continue to lack.




The Edgewood Avenue Christian Church at the intersection of Edgewood Avenue and Antisdale Street.






In operation since 1947, the Edgewood Bakery was chosen by the Retail Bakers of America Association to be a part of its Heritage Road Tour Across America in late 1009.







Small's Pharmacy operated where Flowers by Pat is today. The original soda fountain and apothecary drawers are still there today. Rumor has it that the pharmacy was a model for a shop on Main Street at Walt Disney World.






The Murray Hill Theatre (image above from 1949) is the community's only locally designated historic landmark. The theater opened August 1949 and was praised for its air conditioning, crying room and slide back seats. Mayor Hayden Burns welcomed guests who paid 50 cents to see "Red River" starring John Wayne and Montgomery Clift. Located at 932 Edgewood Avenue South, the Theatre is now a faith-based nonprofit nightclub.


The Murray Hill Theater today


The Murray Hill Public Library at 918 Edgewood Avenue South


The Dreamette is an ice cream shop that has operated at Post Street and Edgewood Avenue since 1948.








The Florida Christian Center on Edgewood Avenue was the site of the Florida Military Academy (image above from 1954), which was built in 1913. The Florida Military Academy was the site of the neighborhood meeting where residents voted to incorporate Murray Hill in 1916. The academy building was demolished in 1975 to make way for the Florida Christian Home building (image below).








The First Block


The First Block, which is located where Edgewood crosses the CSX railroad tracks (A-Line) and Roosevelt Blvd, is the home to the Avenue's oldest remaining commercial buildings.  Buildings here date back to 1915, serving as a commercial dominated terminus for Jacksonville's former streetcar system. If commuter rail returns to the CSX A-Line, one of Jacksonville's original transit oriented developments will again be linked with fixed mass transit.


The Edgewood movie theater was built in 1947 and closed in the 1980s. Since then, it has been used as a campus for Jones College.




The former Jacksonville Traction Company's Murray Hill streetcar line right-of-way adjacent to the intersection of Edgewood Avenue and Roosevelt Boulevard.











Cassat Avenue


Cassat Avenue serves as Murray Hill's western border. In Murray Hill's early years, Cassat was a two lane roadway with pedestrian oriented retail buildings located at major intersections.  


Looking west at the intersection of Cassat Avenue and Attleboro Street in 1948.


Intersection of Cassat and Lenox Avenues in the 1950s.


An accident at Cassat Avenue and Attleboro Street in 1957.

Over the years, this commercial corridor has been expanded from two to five lanes to accommodate automobile traffic at the expense of the pedestrian and the neighborhood. In the future, Jacksonville should look at ways to apply Complete Streets applications to this thoroughfare in an effort to revitalize this important commercial area and neighborhood gateway from Interstate 10.
















McDuff Avenue


McDuff Avenue forms Murray Hill's eastern border. Connecting the neighborhood with Lackawanna, this thoroughfare provided Murray Hill's residents with direct access to what was the area's largest employer, the Seaboard Air Line Shops and Terminals.  
For information on Lackawanna and Seaboard terminal: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2009-feb-urban-neighborhoods-lackawanna


Looking north along McDuff Street in 1957

Recently, McDuff Street has been expanded to include bike lanes and sidewalks.


The former Southside Meat Company building (shown in historic image above) today at McDuff and Rosselle Streets.







Murray Hill is located on Jacksonville's Westside along Edgewood Avenue between Cassat Avenue and Roosevelt Boulevard.

Article and photographs by Ennis Davis

Sources:

http://murrayhillneighbors.com/wp/

http://murrayhillneighbors.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/The-History-Of-Murray-Hill.pdf







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33 Comments

jaxlore

June 30, 2010, 09:22:01 AM
Saigon Vietnamese rocks! Really enjoy the Murray Hill area the hardware store is great when I need something in a pinch and don't want to mess with the Lowes.

fieldafm

June 30, 2010, 09:41:54 AM
My uncle's house is one of those pics, and it looks like you even have a pic of Danny's house from Moon River.

Dreamette's is great.  Now that Florida Creamery is open in Avondale, I've been having a tough time trying to choose b/w the two when I need my sugar fix. 

Edgewood Bakery makes some great cakes.

Nice representation of Murray Hill!

Jaxlore, never been to Saigon... that's the place on Cassat next to I-10 by the carpet place right?  Do they serve Banh mi?  How is their pho?

finehoe

June 30, 2010, 10:08:14 AM
Does anyone know if any of these bungalows are Sears catalog houses?  Some of them look like they could be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears_Catalog_Home

jbroadglide

June 30, 2010, 10:11:02 AM
This was right under the picture of the Murray Hill Baptist Church. I think this is what you were talking about.

About Murray Hill: 4213 Kerle Street is one of only 3 known Sears Kit Homes built in Jacksonville. The "Paloma" model was built by the Whittier family in 1918. Arthur Whittier hired a mule and wagon to transfer the house sections from the railroad tracks to the Kerle Street home site.

Cliffs_Daughter

June 30, 2010, 10:11:51 AM
Ah, so THAT'S how Cassat Avenue got the name!
I've been wondering that for some time.

finehoe

June 30, 2010, 10:12:19 AM
Didn't see that, jbroadglide, thanks!

Lucasjj

June 30, 2010, 10:18:35 AM
Since this is a Murray Hill thread...

Thursday rally planned to support Murray Hill library

Want to go?

What: A rally in support of the Murray Hill branch library, which has recently had its hours cut and could be closed next year.

Where: Murray Hill Presbyterian Church, 940 Talbot Ave. After organizing at the church, those in attendance will march to the Murray Hill library.

When: Thursday, 7 p.m.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-06-29/story/thursday-rally-planned-support-murray-hill-library

fsujax

June 30, 2010, 10:19:19 AM
Seeing the picture of Ruth N Upson brings back elementary school memories!

floridaforester

June 30, 2010, 10:20:13 AM
i haven't driven by powers park since DOT & the city destroyed it, but have they at least removed the mountains of dirt they had piled on the north end of the park?  I couldn't stomach driving by it again knowing what they've done to those residents' once beautiful park.  i'm concerned that DOT, which is famous for this, will put a chain link fence around the retention pond and forget about it.  After that, the fence generally acts as a garbage collection device for any litter blowing around.  Kudos DOT for destroying a park set aside for purposes other than your road projects.

But on a brighter note, I love Murray Hill and its collection of bungalows.  Some of the best around and I'm a Riverside homer!

Cliffs_Daughter

June 30, 2010, 10:39:21 AM
I didn't really grow up here, but rode through it several times with my parents back in the day.


Hey, do we have a thread about the parts of town we grew up in? We have one about our current home.

fieldafm

June 30, 2010, 02:28:01 PM
This was right under the picture of the Murray Hill Baptist Church. I think this is what you were talking about.

About Murray Hill: 4213 Kerle Street is one of only 3 known Sears Kit Homes built in Jacksonville. The "Paloma" model was built by the Whittier family in 1918. Arthur Whittier hired a mule and wagon to transfer the house sections from the railroad tracks to the Kerle Street home site.


Another Sears Catalogue house is behind the Blockbuster on Roosevelt Blvd.  It was originally behind the Shell station for decades, but when that gas station got renovated/expanded it was moved one block over.

catieface

June 30, 2010, 02:29:18 PM
@ floridaforester-

I live right across the street from Powers Park and it is still an absolute nightmare. My street (Plum St.) is blocked just beyond my house and has been since some time before I moved in (January 2010).  There is a constant whir of machines at all hours, and the whole park now looks like a big eyesore.  Bummer.

Lucasjj

June 30, 2010, 02:42:13 PM
I really like the Murray Hill area. I looked at some houses in that area before I bought mine in Riverside.

Hopefully they can complete the construction on Post soon, and restore Power's Park. Does anyone know the timeframe for any of this by the way?

copperfiend

June 30, 2010, 03:15:50 PM
Nice little area. Spent plenty of time out and about in the neighborhood in my youth. Sad to see the old Krispy Kreme sitting empty.

cayohueso

June 30, 2010, 05:45:35 PM
My grandparents lived on Sappho from the 50's to the 70's and my grandpa and I would walk over to the Krispy Kreme almost every morning. I also remember the Rexall lunch counter and the Edgewood theater for being really great places to grow up. The four corners park seemed like the biggest place in the world. Murray Hill is still a good place.

Jumpinjack

June 30, 2010, 05:55:19 PM
I grew up in Murray Hill when my dad returned from the war. We loved the little parks and commercial district was our shopping area.  Some months ago, I noticed one of the parks was being torn up for a drainage project. Lots of huge trees were taken down and the park seems demolished. What's up with that?

gridsketch

June 30, 2010, 07:34:08 PM
I live in Murray Hill a block west of the four corners park. The neighborhood has a good energy people actually walk around even though we don't have sidewalks. I really wish we had sidewalks though. At a speed limit of 30 mph with narrow 2 lane streets, I get nervous about walking and biking on the street. But the character is so nice and the library is so close I take my chances walking on the street. I guess I got spoiled living in Metro DC and Baltimore for so long.

ONESTOPTHRIFTSHOP

July 01, 2010, 07:32:12 AM
You have mentioned all the areas along Edgewood Ave S  and the corner of Post Street and Cypress Street but you forgot 1 business on Post Street.

Built in 1966 
3644 Post Street
History:   7-11 convenient store ,  Police Credit Union , Church,  Plumbing Company, Deli on Wheels and now a Thrift Store.

Apparently you are not doing your proper research of businesses within the Murray Hill area.  Only the ones that are on the main strip on Edgewood Ave S.   But my business is there too but just behind the Dreamette Ice Cream business.

This building does have a history.  I did the research before we purchased the building to put  The One Stop Thrift Shop in.  We could have bought somewhere else but I found out there was no thrift store within walking distance of the residents on Post Street and other streets within the area. If needed to go to a thrift store they had to catch a bus to get to one.

We have almost anything that you can use in the home. If we do not have it I will do the research to help our customers out to find the items they are looking for, instead, of them going to a retail store to pay at a higher price.

Also to let everyone know that at our store on July 17th (Saturday)  we are doing a fundraiser  Campaign Event for Glorious Johnson  running for Mayor.  Hours will be 11 am to 2 pm  and a free hotdog and drink will be provider per person during the event. 

If you are not a register voter  I advise you to register then your voice and opinions will be heard loud and clear by the politicians.  Glorious Johnson will listen to your concerns either way.   

Here is her saying:  ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ......  THIS CITY NEEDS A MAJOR MAKEOVER. 

 I believe she will do this as Mayor of the City of Jacksonville.  Come on out and support her for Mayor. She will be there to answer as many questions. If she does not answer your questions you can give them to me with your email address, name and number and she will get the answers for you.  Give her a chance as Mayor.

There has never been a Lady  Mayor for the City of Jacksonville per the History of Mayor's.
I think it is time to change this.  It is time to have a Lady Mayor for the City of Jacksonville. 
Because the men who has been Mayor has messed up this city in one way or another.

Let's see what a woman can do.

Dog Walker

July 01, 2010, 03:53:33 PM
My parents built the the house and duplex on Post right behind One Stop Thrift Shop and lived in the house when I was born. 

They were very early FHA financing and when my parents tried to pay off the mortgages, the people in the FHA office didn't know how to handle the transaction because no one had yet ever paid off an FHA mortgage in Jacksonville.

There was a pet shop somewhere in Murry Hill shopping strip (where Wine Warehouse  is now I think) prior to 1950 that kept Rhesus monkeys and puppies in the windows.  As a kid I was fascinated to watch the monkeys hold the puppies down with their feet and go through their fur for fleas.  The puppies seemed to love it!

Wife's parents and grand-parents lived in Murry Hill until 1954 and she has fond memories of the area and the theater.

thelakelander

July 01, 2010, 04:10:09 PM
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Apparently you are not doing your proper research of businesses within the Murray Hill area.  Only the ones that are on the main strip on Edgewood Ave S.   But my business is there too but just behind the Dreamette Ice Cream business.

That's what we have you for.  We can't and should not have the sole responsibility of telling the whole story of a neighborhood's development or the detailed history of every single residence or establishment within its borders.  However, what these photo tours do is give people who live and know additional information about these places to contribute their knowledge which helps round out the story.  In the end, we all learn things about our community that we don't know or have not been exposed too.

Paisleyparker330

August 10, 2010, 11:21:10 AM
Wow, I can't tell you how many memories this site brings back! But then again, by reading everyone Elses post I can see we all are going back down memory lane:)

I grew up in the Springfiled (mid-late 70's-80's) and Westside (80's-2001) neighborhoods and forgot about a lot of places until I looked through this stuff.

Wow, the Edgewood Bakery and the Dreamette!

Everyone keep posting!!!

copperfiend

March 28, 2011, 09:33:35 AM
Went to Dreamette yesterday for the first time in years. Great little place and they now have sugar free soft serve!

ricker

June 03, 2011, 02:44:13 AM
Not EXACTLY the Hill... but as the historic consortium members urge us to work together with our contiguous urban inner-perimieter neighborhoods....

Calling all volunteers to the south end of Hamilton Street in the Marina Mile district.

JEA Forestry division, Greenscapes of Jacksonville, Lake Shore middle shool, JSO school resource officer and parks and recreation have pulled together with the LAPS volunteers (www.lapsjax.org / www.lapsjax.blogspot.com) to begin phase 1 of a large scale beautification and longterm reforestation of the ballpark at Bayview elementary.

Saturday June 4, 2011  at 8a.m.

Sorry for the short notice-we appreciate any and all who are willing and able to wrestle these 32 (30gallon) trees into place.
It will be awesome!
live oaks, swamp oaks, chestnut oaks, crepe myrtles, yaupon hollies, red cedars AND MORE!

Come lend a hand even if fo ronly a few minutes and help give back to the westside of our unique westside!

Thanks in advance!

tmw1974

August 30, 2011, 06:53:18 PM
Was there an old tire place on cassat and attleboro that had an arrow that was curved and lit up at night? ty.

nanasroom

January 03, 2012, 02:03:33 PM
Another business closed on Edgewood Ave S., due to no shoppers coming in.   I am still counting over 20 locations vacant along Edgewood Ave S  between Roosevelt Blvd by the tracks to the Interstate 10 overpass.
If we can get small business owners to come to our area then this would be a little town of it's own.

If we had a small grocery store along this strip of road then the people does not have to go over a mile away to get groceries.  We have enough restaurants  we need some small stores with different things in it for the home.

Murray Hillbilly

May 12, 2012, 02:58:33 PM
i currently live in murray hill and i LOVE it, always have.  i grew up off of normandy but not in the murray hill area.  i remember we had a family friend who did however.  i always loved going to her house and looking around at all the quaint bungalows and the small businesses. i loved the small town feel of it all, even as a child. the feeling i got when i was there was in describable, i just felt at home. as if my inner voice was telling me "this is where you're supposed to be."  so when i  'grew up' thats where i headed.  i'm currently just renting but i can not wait until the day i can call one of these lovely historic houses 'mine'.  on an off note...i know that 'technically' murray hill extends all the way to mc duff.  i however dont consider the area between edgewood and mc duff part of murray hill.  maybe bc its sad to think of how 'ghetto' it's gotten and i dont want to think of my beloved neighborhood in that light.  am i the only one who thinks this?

Know Growth

May 13, 2012, 12:02:05 AM
My entire family bailed out of a suspected soon to decline long established and long resided Miami neighborhood.

We ended up in Clay County ,Sophho and Talbot.

I was at 605 Talbot;could have purchased from the landlord/speculator for just a wee bit over the $325/mo. rent in that 1980'3 era.Bugged out,convinced east of 17 was the Moral Seam Of The Universe.
Sister on Sophho moved to Colorado.

Where did me/605 end up??
320o block on Riverside,then Avondale Rural Fringe.

Watching Murray Hill closely.

Love you.

mtraininjax

May 13, 2012, 09:28:49 PM
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i however dont consider the area between edgewood and mc duff part of murray hill.

Well what is it then? Could it be Springfield? How about Baldwin? Nope, gotta take the good, or mediocre as the area east of Edgewood has become with the ghetto of McDuff/North Riverside. There are areas along Lenox that have fallen down in years as well, the whole area is challenged with one family I know who had their doors kicked in at Post and Talbot just before Christmas. Crime knows no boundaries. Maybe it will get better, but not without more jobs available to all.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

May 14, 2012, 08:21:24 AM
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i however dont consider the area between edgewood and mc duff part of murray hill.

Well what is it then? Could it be Springfield? How about Baldwin? Nope, gotta take the good, or mediocre as the area east of Edgewood has become with the ghetto of McDuff/North Riverside. There are areas along Lenox that have fallen down in years as well, the whole area is challenged with one family I know who had their doors kicked in at Post and Talbot just before Christmas. Crime knows no boundaries. Maybe it will get better, but not without more jobs available to all.

My final straw in The Hill was a daylight break-in/home invasion - whatever you want to call it.  Came home from work early, left the car at Perfect Rack (no DUI) and walked in on 3 'kids', guessing 16-23, coming in from the back bedroom.  The only time I wish I had a concealed permit.  Ended up with a broken window and a terrified weimeraner.  That was about 4 years ago @ Ramona & Murray.  Since then, other friends in the hood have each had various incidents ranging from stolen property from garages and back porches to their cars being broken into.  No other burglary attempts, though.  I guess that makes me the lucky one.

daytonalady

June 09, 2012, 12:38:48 PM
Murray Hill was a great place to grow up in the 50's.  I have wonderful memories of going to the Edgewood Theater on Saturday mornings (I took lunch and stayed half the day), the Murray Hill Methodist Church, Ruth N. Upson Elementary School and, of course, the Dreamette! I still go to the Dreamette everytime I am up in Jax.

tmw1974

August 25, 2012, 11:32:58 PM
I grew up on attleboro street i lived there from 1980-1984

Know Growth

August 25, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
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i however dont consider the area between edgewood and mc duff part of murray hill.

 or mediocre as the area east of Edgewood has become with the ghetto of McDuff/North Rivers  the whole area is challenged with one family I know who had their doors kicked in at Post and Talbot just before Christmas.

(see my post page 2 this thread;responding to Troll troll here)

During my tenure at 605 Talbot I experienced one (and so far,after twenty years in Avondale,only) home burglary.
Came home about 1 am.......hmmmm......I walk in to the living room and hear traffic.....kitchen door open......that dang stupid Glidden factory smell...north winds/winter

STRANGE PLACE

21 speed bike-gone.6 Hp Evinrude-gone. Ruger Security Six revolver;classic closet placement-gone.

Due to high volume demands,Police not able to respond until 9:30 am .

I eventually retrieved the Ruger from the COJ State Attorney Property Room.Scratched,beat up,four rounds,thoughtfully included in a plastic bag,two Winchester Silvertip .38+P 125 Gr. misssing.
I tracked the Revolver's path,Police report.Telling.
Outa'there

Have never left a firearm unattended since.

tmw1974

July 12, 2013, 12:21:49 AM
was there a lounge at the corner of kingsbury and cassat ave? thanks.
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