History
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Friendship Fountain was originally called the “Fountain of Friendship in Dallas Thomas Park" when it opened in 1965. Its original name coming from the city's parks and finance commissioner. The park was renamed in 1968 after Thomas became involved in a civic scandal. During its heyday, the 200-foot-wide fountain was billed as the world’s largest and tallest. Shooting as high as 120 feet, at a rate of 17,000 gallons of water per minute while 252 multi-colored lights created different patterns into the streams.
Despite these features, the fountain's future has become so shaky, the Jacksonville Historical Society decided to include it in their list of Jacksonville's Most Endangered Historic Buildings.
http://www.jaxhistory.com/Endangered-Buildings.html
Mayor’s Goals
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Kids Kampus would be relocated from its Northbank spot near Metropolitan Park to the "Kid's Zone," a conceptual site on the city's recently unveiled "Big Ideas" plan for Downtown redevelopment.
This would free up the 24-acre parcel where the park is now located for "flex space," a term city staff use for land such as the Shipyards and former JEA Southside Generating Station sites, which remain vacant and were used during Super Bowl XXXIX as temporary special events locations.
Because both waterfront sites are slated for mixed-use development, Mayor John Peyton wants Kids Kampus and other city real estate in the stadium area to serve a dual function of year-round green space and temporary venues for concerts and other outdoor activities.
http://jacksonville.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/stories/2006/03/06/story7.html
For several years, the city has been toying with the idea to move Kids Kampus to Friendship Fountain, effectively turning the Southbank, adjacent to the Museum of Science and History, into a Kids Zone. Doing this would free up the current Kids Kampus site for conversion into “Flex Space”, a term used to describe land that can be available for temporary events and festivals.
Why must the Fountain go?
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"The only real concern I see is the amount of room at Friendship Park to do everything if you also have Kids Kampus there," said Ehardt, an urban design manager at HDR Inc. "I haven't studied that to know if it can work, but I hope the decent-size trees between it and [River City Brewing Co.] can be saved."
If executed as proposed, the Kid's Zone site would include replacing a city landmark, Friendship Fountain, with an interactive kids fountain.
Outdoor seating and grassy areas would also replace the existing concrete.
The likelihood of a new fountain is high, since replacing its failing 40-year-old pumps would cost about $856,000.
Joe Ehardt, Urban Design Manager at HDR, Inc. - 3/3/06
http://jacksonville.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/stories/2006/03/06/story7.html
For the flex space plan to be implemented, many of the functions at Kids Kampus will be moved to the current location of Friendship Fountain on the Southbank. However, Kids Kampus takes up ten acres, while the entire Southbank site is only seven acres. It is impossible to create a competitive Kids Kampus on a smaller site, without eliminating or incorporating the biggest obstacle at the new location... the fountain footprint itself.
Problems with the Mayor’s plan
Historical Landmark
The fountain is one of a few cultural landmarks in the Downtown area that have not already met the fate with a wrecking ball. Any plan to renovate that area should include the full restoration of the fountain.
Financing
The Peyton administration balked at the $856,000 estimate they received to restore Friendship Fountain to its former glory. Despite this, their plan to “refurbish” the area is estimated to cost at least $3 million in 2006. Not included in this estimate is the $500,000 set aside to pay a consultant, nor the $4.7 million the city spent constructing the current Kids Kampus in 2001.
So to sum it up; $856,000 is too much of a financial burden on the city to restore a local cultural landmark, but the investment of $8.2 million to "refurbish" the area while eliminating the historic landmark is not?
Fountain feedback
The city has received seven proposals for a major redesign of Friendship Fountain Park on the Southbank of the St. Johns River. One proposal is to be selected by Aug. 17. City officials say they don't plan to touch the fountain itself, but we asked readers whether the city should demolish it as part of the proposed renovation, or keep it intact when the site is redone. We also asked for their memories of the 41-year-old fountain. Here are their responses:
My husband of 36 years this June proposed to me on the steps in June of 1969. When we eat at a restaurant on the riverfront we must always walk along the Riverwalk and go to the fountain. I think more shade trees and seats would be a big plus. I think the fountain used to be a reason many walked the Riverwalk in days past.
Debby Boree, Westside
We should do everything possible to save this wonderful Jacksonville landmark. I have very fond memories of visiting this fountain as a child and to this day, enjoy it. I believe our city can do a lot to plan more events around and near the fountain that would bring more people to this area to take advantage of this wonder place.
Renee Sares, Mandarin
We have photos of our kids through out the years and we take every visitor from out of town there. It is a beautiful sight and an asset to this city. My children love the size of the fountain and the water shows with colored lights. I would love to see park benches around the fountain so we could sit and enjoy it too.
Susan Grula, Southside
My husband and I met 41 years ago and Friendship Fountain was our first date. We walked around the fountain and up the spiral walkway that overlooked the river while we talked. I have fond memories of the fountain and remember being awed by the beautiful colors when it first opened.
Pamela Perry Wiker, Arlington
I believe the fountain should be enhanced with additional features such as pop jets along the perimeter for public involvement ... A small participatory fountain could be located adjacent to the main fountain providing involvement of the smaller citizens of Jacksonville while Mom and Dad enjoy the splendor of the signature center piece of Jacksonville.
Wayne Kelly, Westside
On school field trips, we usually ended up at Friendship Park for lunch. It was always a fun place to be. My greatest memory is when my husband proposed to me beside Friendship Fountain. I was so happy and it's something I will never forget. Naturally, I want the fountain to remain the same. I can now show our kids where their dad proposed to me.
April Spears, Southside
Its displays are spectacular. While Friendship Fountain is not quite on the same grand scale as Buckingham Fountain (on Lake Shore Drive in Chicago), and the St. Johns River is not Lake Michigan, Friendship Fountain has been the focal point of our downtown area to the delight of everyone on both the Northbank and the Southbank.
Paul Schaefer, Arlington
It has become a Jacksonville signature that no other edifice can claim. All future proposals and plans should "flow" (pun intended) around the fully restored fountain.
James Vosseller, Westside
We spent many happy hours in Friendship Park, letting them (our children) run around the fountain, and picnicking in the grass. What a beautiful park it was (years ago), much bigger than now, and a wonderful family park as well as tourist attraction. I remember fondly taking my children and their friends to Friendship Park for the fireworks every July. It is an important landmark in Jacksonville.
Wilma Kincaid, Arlington
Friendship Fountain is one of Jacksonville's greatest treasures. I can't imagine a picture of our downtown area that does not include this landmark. The fountain must be preserved as is. The only changes that are needed is to replace the pumps and turn on the lights.
Diane Carroll, Downtown
How dreadful it would be if the city does not restore the fountain to its full glory for all to enjoy.
Flo Clark
http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/050606/ner_21783751.shtml
Consider an Affordable Alternative
Image by AJ Witt at www.flickr.com
The idea to convert the Friendship Fountain area into a kids zone also ignores previous downtown master plans. These plans were created with many hours of public input that call for a mix of cultural uses in that area, such as a larger maritime museum or aquarium.
By inviting existing establishments such as the Maritime Museum - which wants to expand into a first class operation at the site; River City Brewing - instead of buying them out of a 99 year lease; and MOSH, a redevelopment plan for the park can be put together much faster and with less taxpayer dollars. There is also plenty of land in the park to incorporate a tot lot or two, as well as an interactive children’s fountain, without destroying a local landmark.
Consider the creation of a park on the JEA Southbank site, Jacksonville Municipal Stadium parking lots, or a reconfigured Metropolitan Park to make room for 'flex space'. By following older plans that were created with input from the public, the Southbank could be converted into a local cultural center with a restored fountain serving as the centerpiece.
The best urban projects are those that find a way to work with and improve the existing environment. Over time, this is something that has never been accepted by Jacksonville's leaders. The result has been the creation of a downtown scene littered with disconnected infill projects and connectivity limiting surface parking lots. How Peyton ultimately addresses the Friendship Fountain issue will determine if leadership has grown to respect and cherish Jacksonville's urban history.








DjDonnyD
January 26, 2009, 07:45:24 AMJust To let you know.....The Jaxhistory link is DEAD!
BridgeTroll
January 26, 2009, 07:47:49 AMThis works... for now.
http://www.jaxhistory.com/
thelakelander
January 26, 2009, 08:12:21 AMtry this one: http://www.jaxhistory.com/Endangered-Buildings.html
DjDonnyD
January 26, 2009, 08:19:19 AMOkay, I Have a question. Maybe someone can answer this?
Is there any way for us as the public and taxpayers to just start some kind of fund on our own and start collecting money to just fix the fountain. I'm sure if you asked most any one in town that visits or has visited the fountain at any time in there life. I remember going there as a child (I'm 43 now), we all have a memories that happen around this fountain. So, to get back to what I was saying. I truly believe, most of us would be willing to kick $5-10 bucks towards Saving this truly special fountain. The city says: ( The Peyton administration balked at the $856,000 estimate they received to restore Friendship Fountain to its former glory. )
Well, If it is truly only going to cost about 1 million dollars to bring this fountain back to it's "GLORY"... What are we waiting for? Let's start collecting money, and get it done!
If we leave this up to the Goverment, THEY WILL DESTROY THE FOUNTAIN! We owe it to this great landmark, to do what ever we can to say it!
So, once again, How many people here would be willing to give a few bucks to Save this fountain? Anyone agree?
DjDonnyD
January 26, 2009, 08:20:22 AMExcellant! Thanks For the link Lakelander!
jeh1980
January 26, 2009, 09:16:21 AMAs much as I respect Mayor Peyton, his plan will never work. I always loved the friendship fountain. And I would rather see him restore the fountain than to replace it with a playground. Why won't we instead restore that fountain and put a observation deck/revolving restaurant, an aquarium and a small amplitheater around it!
nestliving
January 26, 2009, 09:46:31 AMThere are some great pictures of the fountain and it's design on Taylor Hardwick's website. www.taylorhardwick.com. It is truly astonishing what this city has done to one of Florida's most respected architects work.
fsu813
January 26, 2009, 10:46:12 AMI don't agree with Peyton on much............but this I do.
Creating a great kids space with an interactive fountain, next to the river, next to MOSH, would make the area a huge draw for families. This is assuming they do the job well, of course.
It would create an area of congragation where there is none now and present an opprotunity for business (ice cream/hot dog vendors, etc). 7 acres for the Kidz Kampus is plenty, hell half that would be plenty if the job is done right.
While keeping ther fountain with repairs and minor renovations to the area would be sentimental, it doesn't speak to the future.
thelakelander
January 26, 2009, 10:58:21 AMWhy can't you have both? A great family friendly space with both an interactive fountain and a restored local landmark would be better all around.
jaxlore
January 26, 2009, 01:00:23 PMi proposed to my wife in front of that fountain.
i love this city.
lindab
January 26, 2009, 01:41:32 PMI wonder if the cost of the fountain replacements is similar to the costs for the courthouse; maybe could be done less expensively with fewer frills. Also wonder about the cost of landscaping and maintaining landscaping versus keeping things pretty much as is.
blizz01
January 26, 2009, 01:46:21 PMThey could put pond pumps in the center of it & it would be an improvement at least in the interim.........
avonjax
January 26, 2009, 03:43:46 PMOk
Here is my 2 cents
fsu813-I have to vehemently DISAGREE with you. YOU DON'T destroy the few icons left in a city.
It seems Jacksonville leaders have had your thinking for decades. And what are we left with? A downtown full of demolished history.
And now for the statement I'm sure will meet with disagreement from everyone. Even though MOSH is in the park, why do we need to add another play ground for kids?
I AM NOT ANTI CHILDREN, but hasn't the city recently added play areas in many of Jacksonville's great parks?
There is a playground park on San Marco Blvd. A nice one in Riverside Park, which in my opinion defaced it, and one on each end of Boone. And that's the three that come to mind that are close to downtown.
And of course why throw away over 4 million dollars on a park that is not even 10 years old.
The location may be a mistake but does it justify making another one?
Is it so wrong to have a wonderful park that caters to enjoying the beauty of the river and the skyline without providing children an outlet to play? (Take them across the river.)
When I was a little kid my parents took us to a park down the street with sliding boards, etc and then sometimes to places where we were taught to enjoy the surroundings. IT WOULDN'T KILL KIDS to have a little down time at a park.
This is a little corny, but Friendship Park is a very romantic place. I can understand why so many people were proposed to there. And when the fountain works right, like it did for the Superbowl it is magical.
And by the way EVERYTIME I have been to the park with kids there, they are just as intrigued and delighted with the fountain as the adults.
If the Fountain goes I may finally give up on our city, at least for my lifetime.
stephendare
January 26, 2009, 03:49:10 PMOr heaven forbid that they should update the park over into what God intended for all that concrete and curves:
Allow skateboarders, trick bikers and rollerblades to enjoy themselves there without having to deal with a S.W.A.T Team and unmarked black helicopters.
Thats a whole lot more likely to bring in a few thousand people on the weekend than a plastic wasteland where kid's candy and or snack food is being seized by brutish seagulls who have been frequenting the park grounds for a few thousand years.
The Museum of Science and History isnt a Children's Museum anymore you know.
Whatever did children do before they invented horrible tacky plastic municipal playground stuff?
I guess they just wilted on the vine before shuffling off to a miserable adulthood.
Bewler
January 26, 2009, 04:46:11 PMYeah just how much enjoyment are kids who are busy running around and playing games, going to derive from being on the river? How much will the toddlers enjoy the view for that matter?
Does anyone really think that kids care that much about the location of their playground?
And for the ones who do, then as has already been stated, let them enjoy the park as it is. I don’t think children are all that picky.
ProjectMaximus
January 26, 2009, 04:47:02 PMare you Mr. Debby Boree?
heights unknown
January 26, 2009, 09:56:03 PMI too visited the Friendship Fountain as a kid, in fact right after it was built in 1965 (giving away my age...I was about 8 or 9 at the time). Though Jax had no supertalls at the time, the skyline was awesome nevertheless, and it was breathtaking climbing up that spiral and viewing the Northbank. I think Riverplace Tower (Gulf Life) had not yet been built. Save the fountain! Refubish, rebuild, reconstruct, but don't destroy and/or replace it with anything else, or add anything else to it!
Heights Unknown
Ocklawaha
January 26, 2009, 11:13:54 PMOklahoma City is holding regular SHOUT OUT rallys in an attempt to save the Union Station yards from I-40.
They have tee shirts, attorneys, the green party, pro-transit, pro-Amtrak, pro-rail, balloons, brochures, handbooks etc...
So Jacksonville? How about a good old 1968 style protest! Chain my A-- to that railing and defy anyone to remove my 270 pound carcass... Got tye-dyes and signs?
Boy Peyton came to the charette for Kids Space Planning and INSTRUCTED the whole group with a pitch that went something like, "You KNOW we need that space, we need open ground, we need more flex space, think of ways to shove everything aside..." Real inspiration and like Lemmings the entire group made nice and EVERY SINGLE PLAN was poisoned with this nonsense. So when the citizens desires are told, it is going to be a very - stacked deck. Maggot brained contemptible twerp.
HELL NO! THE FOUNTAIN DOSEN'T GO!
OCKLAWAHA
ToldYouSo
January 31, 2009, 05:25:57 PMI talked with one of the directors back a few directors ago and the cost to repair the two pumps was less than $200,000. The figure of $860,000 was fabricated so that they could help justify the fountain demolition. I can't understand why this administration surrounds themselves with incompetent people then pushes ideas then general public doesn't want. The good news is that in just a few years we'll have all of the incompetents out of City Hall....just hope we don't vote in equals.
BridgeTroll
January 31, 2009, 08:02:11 PMI'm shocked... shocked I say!
jeh1980
February 02, 2009, 01:17:31 PMAs much as I respect Mayor Peyton, his plan will never work. I always loved the friendship fountain. And I would rather see him restore the fountain than to replace it with a playground. Why won't we instead restore that fountain and put a observation deck/revolving restaurant, an aquarium and a small amplitheater around it!
JeffreyS
February 02, 2009, 06:55:12 PMKeep the fountain and find room for a playground.
stjr
February 02, 2009, 07:46:19 PMThere is no reason to replace the fountain unless it is with something more iconic. Now.... I said "iconic", not "moronic"!
Water and Florida go hand in hand and that fountain has made Jax more "Florida-like" in TV shots during countless national football games, etc. than anything else other than our beaches and a boat on the river.
The fountain is one of a kind and deserves this high profile spot. A playground is not. Also, should kids get too wound up (as they are prone to do in playgrounds) near the river, they might fall in. Then, they will tell us we need a 6 foot fence around the playground. How will our skyline look behind chain link?
Also, is it not cheaper to fix the fountain than to rip it out and build a million+ dollar playground (anything less will just be like a park in the neighborhood or gated development - in which case, why take a kid downtown to play) ? And, as a rule, downtown visits are initiated by adults, not kids. I don't see parents coming downtown just "to play".
If this is to be a major playground for downtown residents (who are more likely to be DINKS), I think there are better locations than this - like its current location by the stadium.
Cliffs_Daughter
February 11, 2009, 04:26:23 PMWhy would the city want to relocate Kids Kampus from what's been counted on as a very family-friendly 'complex'... unless they're admitting that entire sports/entertainment zone idea was wrong?
I have a small child, and I have no problem driving over near the stadium to visit that park if I want to. Being over near the other stuff (arena, stadium, baseball grounds) has a certain charm to it, if you ask my son. He thinks it's neat to play near where the Jags are on TV sometimes.
Like everybody else (some exceptions, I noted) I do NOT want that fountain removed. It's been the backdrop to a lot of key moments in my life. When you go there, even to take pictures of the river, you have to be near that fountain. I remember when we could walk up the spiral deck to view it better. I also remember when the covered walkway was to the side and it was a big picnic-style area.
If anything, the one thing that's in the way there is the River City Brewing Company (no offense to the owners). Take that fountain down, and they'd have to relocate the restaurant as well to create the space needed for a kids park.
Peyton's muddled up enough in this city already to think he could get support on this one. Get on your council member's tail on it so they don't let him get away with anything.
Hey, I'll gladly jump into line for any restoration fund-raising effort! Count me in! Now, if I could just win the lotto, I'd pay for it myself... with council's permission, of course.