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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A few Pointers
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2010, 04:55:14 PM »
To follow your metaphor, Jax would be a chubby 4th grader with aspirations of playing in the NFL.

So in other words "a viable replacement for David Garrard."

I think it's a waste of money to make the trip. But I hope they bring back something useful.
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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A Few Pointers
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2010, 04:57:49 PM »
Kansas City? Indianapolis? Jax is learning from them?

Indy is set up nice. Id even say its kinda sexy. I like the Canal. Hogans Creek? yea... McCoys Creek? Hell no!

I mean the whole learning from KC & Thing? Why not New York, Miami & Chicago?? Im sure they could learn a ton from trips to those places. JV is cool, but Varsity is better.

The Canal Parkway in Indy has a huge tie in to their history and therefore not only is it a civic asset of high proportions, but a reminder of the history of what Indiana wanted to become.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Central_Canal

It nearly bankrupted the State back in 1847, but years later they have turned it into a jewel.  

So what Boondoggle sows ear does Jacksonville have that can be turned into the golden purse?

Perhaps this is why the CoC travels so much, in search of some ancient asset that can be transformed.

This is what the Canal is today:

http://www.indygreenways.org/canal/centralcanal.htm
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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A few Pointers
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2010, 11:06:01 AM »
Well the first thing that stands out in that pic is that Indy has TWO WAY STREETS downtown. Hmmm...

as does Jacksonville.....do you think Indy has any one-way streets downtown Chris?

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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A few Pointers
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2010, 12:18:06 PM »
Did they one-way it for a long time like we did?
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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A few Pointers
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2010, 12:25:46 PM »
well a cursory look at Google Maps implies that they still have one-way pairs, just like us...these include:

Washington/Maryland (east-west)
Illinois/Capitol (north-south)
New York/Michigan (east-west)
Delaware/Pennsylvania (north-south)
New Jersey/Alabama (north-south)

It looks like they have two major two-way streets (Market and Meridian) in the middle of downtown.

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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A few Pointers
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2010, 12:30:20 PM »
Chamber of Commerce going else where looking for that "Panacea" is not a problem with me! Atleast they pay for their trip themselves.............what I would like to know, what if any solutions have they brought back? I have yet to see anything concrete............idea's maybe, but something positive, nothing in sight yet!

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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A few Pointers
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2010, 12:38:47 PM »
There are still a number of oneway streets in downtown Indy.  Here are a few images I took from Circle Centre Mall a couple of years ago.





Streets are also just as wide and busy as State & Union.  Nevertheless, pedestrians still cross the street because there is something worth crossing on the other side.
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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A few Pointers
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2010, 12:42:11 PM »
Seeing the vehicles parked as they are, makes me ask..........what do they do about parking lake? Do they have the same system that we have here? I did note both of the provided pictures show one way travel!

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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A few Pointers
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2010, 12:49:47 PM »
Similar system but parking was much cheaper.  The mall in the center of downtown has public garages that charge $1.50 for the first three hours.  A $1.50 to be in a virbant downtown with tons to do verses $9.00 in DT Jax for the same period of time.  You really can't beat that.
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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A few Pointers
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2010, 01:14:27 PM »
One common misconception is that Jacksonville changed their streets to be one way in the last 50 years or so, around the time of the parking meter. That's not the case. For most of this century, most streets downtown that are one way were one way 100 years ago.  There are some exceptions (Main/Ocean, Broad/Jefferson, etc), but it's not a new phenomenon.

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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A few Pointers
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2010, 01:33:55 PM »
In the second picture... on the left... Are those parking meters? :o
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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A few Pointers
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2010, 03:50:32 PM »
Similar system but parking was much cheaper.  The mall in the center of downtown has public garages that charge $1.50 for the first three hours.  A $1.50 to be in a virbant downtown with tons to do verses $9.00 in DT Jax for the same period of time.  You really can't beat that.
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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A few Pointers
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2010, 04:41:45 PM »
CS...there are several garages and lots downtown that don't charge more than $6 for the whole day...if you paid $10 it is because you weren't willing to walk an extra block or two...some call that "supply & demand"

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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A few Pointers
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2010, 05:50:21 PM »
CS...there are several garages and lots downtown that don't charge more than $6 for the whole day...if you paid $10 it is because you weren't willing to walk an extra block or two...some call that "supply & demand"

I call it a shady monopoly, as relates to parking in our urban core...

Didn't we already hash this out before tufsu? Once we got ahold of the number of parking spaces, and once we determined the real number of people downtown daily minus all the BS DVI throws into their inflated figures, it turns out that when you add up every single downtown worker, each and every one would have to find a way to bring 4 or 5 cars with them every single day before parking demand would come close to supply.

The only reason the garage prices are what they are is because the garage owners pressure the city to ruthlessly enforce asinine parking policies that drive people into their garages so they can charge $9 despite the garage being mostly empty. The only reason anyone uses them at all is because that's cheaper than a $15 parking ticket. This is the very definition of a rigged market, and has nothing to do with supply and demand.


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Re: Jax Chamber Headed to Indianapolis - A few Pointers
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2010, 06:51:04 PM »
I have always wondered about the 2 way street dilemna.  Here we keep talking about converting the one way streets to two way as a cheap and effective way to promote ease of use, per se, of downtown.  However, I have never seen a downtown of a major city that has more 2-ways than 1-ways (granted I haven't been most places).  Successful cities that utilize 1-ways: New York, DC, Atlanta, Philly, and I never really paid attention elsewhere, but these cities come to mind.  It seems as if most core streets in these cities except for cross streets (and even then) are 1-way.

Are we positive that creating 2-ways would benefit downtown more than inhibit it?  I think 1-ways are easy...if you are walking (or even driving) you know which direction the cars are coming from.  If you are driving you can get anywhere by making all right hand turns.  Intersections don't need turn lanes or turn signals and lights can be more easily timed.
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