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Re: Working Waterfronts: Jacksonville's Marina Mile
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2011, 12:16:01 AM »
Saturday!
8am
June 4, 2011

A coordinated volunteer effort with JEA Forestry, Greenscapes of Jax, Lake Shore middle school, JSO SchoolResource Officer, parks and recreation and LAPS initiative (www.lapsjax.org / www.lapsjax.blogspot.com);

we will be planting THIRTY-Two (30ga) trees in the park area surrounding the bleachers, basketball court, track, softball and baseball dugouts, benches and playground equipment.

This is a massive beautification and the beginning of a longterm reforestation effort at the south end of Hamilton Street at Lake Shore Boulevard, across from Lamb's Yacht Center.

We will be  happily excited to accept the help of any interested volunteers looking to give back to the community and lend a hand for even just a few minutes if at all possible.

We thank you in advance for any and all who are willing and able to participate.




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Re: Working Waterfronts: Jacksonville's Marina Mile
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2011, 01:25:59 AM »
As a volunteer in the area of the Marina Mile, we are excited to see what happens with city council and the seat for the mayor's office.
We humbly work so hard to keep our area clean while steadily improving the view.

As a native to Jax, growing up on "BIG" Fishweir Creek, my family is aware of the relatively few public access points along our precious American Heritage River.
Thanks MJ!
We must all band together and unite our voices toward a real paddlers and kayaker dream!

We have this unique inland calm location provided by the lay of the land and the talent on the shoreline to assist us in our endeavors!

I need any and all to PM me or email me if you wish to see the underside of the Ortega Bridge improved.

From what I can tell, Mr.Brooks Busey of Sadler and Ms.Cynthia Segraves of Pier17 would like to see the activity.

We don't need a floating dock like the beauty of RAM, when we don't currently have the hindrance of a seawall/bulkhead.
a "beach" slope similar to Seminole Park on McGirts in Ortega is what currently exists below the US17 bridge.
largely perfect.
Just need storage lockers, lighting, benches?

LAPS (lapsjax.org / lapsjax.blogspot.com) has adopted both the pier and Cassat Ave from Birkenhead to Astral.
Truly a dedicated group.
We've doubled business membership and just ask for advice on the best way to proceed in order to bring the basic enhancements we seek.

With the redevlopment of the Loop, Espeto, Sylvan, Commander site largely shelved (permanently?)
I would think the underside of the bridge would be a very low-cost updo?

please advise.


Ricker, Have you been to a Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting yet? Huge one in council chambers in 12 days. A cherry picked ord. should be the highlight of that meeting.

Were you able to secure the auger to pre drill the holes? Looking forward to meeting you Sat. The same thing that you are doing in Dist.14 can be done with Hogans Creek in Dist. 7.

It can happen now. I hope that what you are doing will be immediately shared with the commisioners of FIND and we will be telling the world to Visit Jacksonville.

Your Making it happen and I want to be a part of it.

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Re: Working Waterfronts: Jacksonville's Marina Mile
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2011, 02:30:27 AM »
WOWOWOWOWOW
THanks for sharing in and boosting my enthusiasm!
You have truly put some wind in my sails!
I need you to take me out on HogansCreek!

(I now have a bit more free time than before)

Definitely looking forward to strengthening our collective voice to show off our river!

Many many thanks!
See you soon!

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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2011, 08:18:24 AM »
Hi Ricker!

I am a Jacksonville Marina Mile founder........was my " Brainchild" for years.Nothing would have happened had it not been for others who took it from there, came together to finally
Make It Happen!

See www.jacksonvillemarinamile.com.  See Lambs Yacht Center;Marine Max.My place of business is the Houseboat at Lambs.
I live on Big Fishweir,Geraldine Drive.

one of the best days of my life was touring The Mile with Noone.
Ortega Bridge,perhaps Marina Mile an ideal western anchor for the Downtown Blueway.Even a LAPS connection?!

Wonderful to see the Transformation across the street from Lambs-this is what "cherished" looks like....

So looking forward to being a student,the guided,a Noone Hogans Creek masterful tour.I done ain't never been on Hogans.

I extend invite to any and all MJ-let's meet,tour Lambs,the Mile.

Cheers!
Mike cell 904 923 0033
« Last Edit: June 03, 2011, 09:23:36 AM by north miami »

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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2011, 02:11:38 PM »
Making it Happen today was a group of volunteers that transformed a baseball area with future shade trees and landscaping that will be enjoyed and shared by thousands for years to come. It was a pleasure to be a part of it.

Finally met Ricker and can't wait to paddle Hogans Creek with him too. The coordinated effort of so many groups added to the flow of success. The auger holes and props for whoever made that happen.

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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2011, 12:40:01 PM »
Greetings!
 
You give me too much credit!
some call me the village idiot because I never shut up about sprucing up the place!

Noone, thanks again! your presence and help made the day a breeze!

Mr. northmiami Mike, thanks for the invite!
I have Mr.Marchman and his assistant considering the installation of a high efficiency dusk-to-dawn light fixture on the face of the building he shares with Able Marine Insurance with other irons in the fire as these dreams and visions dancing in my head require baby steps in reality.

I would like to install and maintain some annuals at the bases of your Keep Jax Beautiful signs if you would allow me to provide free and on going volunteer labor.

LAPS placed a variety at the pier which are due for replacement and/or de-weeding - but it would be just as easy for me to maintain 2 more ;]

thanks again for introducing yourself here and I will report back after paddling Hogan's this week with Noone!
Cannot hardy wait!

BTW
Wednesday, June 15.
9a.m.
St.James Building.
council chamber?

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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2011, 12:45:56 PM »
Ricker,

It is wonderful to see the care,concern and efforts.

Looking forward to visit,we'll get with the owners of Lambs.

Also note: this Saturday,June 11 is Lambs Marina Day open house.
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Re: Working Waterfronts: Jacksonville's Marina Mile
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2011, 03:47:05 PM »
Thanks again for your spontaneous, last minute availability!

also giving credit where it is due;
JEA Urban Forester Mike Robinson, Greenscapes Director Anna Dooley, LAPS volunteers, Lake Shore middle JSO school resource officer with parks and rec, Cynthia Segraves of Pier 17, Lake Shore Produce, Lake Shore cycles and fitness, local resident artist Kathy Stark and McStephenson's equipment rental on Cassat
[even though Mr.Robinson had the holes augered for us!]

YOU all made this happen!
Thank you for providing for us the opportunity to enhance our greenspace!

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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2011, 08:11:00 PM »

People from all over the nation-and world are drawn to the Marina Mile whether cruising,buying or outfitting and most become quite fond of the neighborhood.

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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2011, 08:04:28 AM »
As a volunteer in the area of the Marina Mile, we are excited to see what happens with city council and the seat for the mayor's office.
We humbly work so hard to keep our area clean while steadily improving the view.

As a native to Jax, growing up on "BIG" Fishweir Creek, my family is aware of the relatively few public access points along our precious American Heritage River.
Thanks MJ!
We must all band together and unite our voices toward a real paddlers and kayaker dream!

We have this unique inland calm location provided by the lay of the land and the talent on the shoreline to assist us in our endeavors!

I need any and all to PM me or email me if you wish to see the underside of the Ortega Bridge improved.

From what I can tell, Mr.Brooks Busey of Sadler and Ms.Cynthia Segraves of Pier17 would like to see the activity.

We don't need a floating dock like the beauty of RAM, when we don't currently have the hindrance of a seawall/bulkhead.
a "beach" slope similar to Seminole Park on McGirts in Ortega is what currently exists below the US17 bridge.
largely perfect.
Just need storage lockers, lighting, benches?

LAPS (lapsjax.org / lapsjax.blogspot.com) has adopted both the pier and Cassat Ave from Birkenhead to Astral.
Truly a dedicated group.
We've doubled business membership and just ask for advice on the best way to proceed in order to bring the basic enhancements we seek.

With the redevlopment of the Loop, Espeto, Sylvan, Commander site largely shelved (permanently?)
I would think the underside of the bridge would be a very low-cost updo?

please advise.


Ricker, Have you been to a Jacksonville Waterways Commission meeting yet? Huge one in council chambers in 12 days. A cherry picked ord. should be the highlight of that meeting.

Were you able to secure the auger to pre drill the holes? Looking forward to meeting you Sat. The same thing that you are doing in Dist.14 can be done with Hogans Creek in Dist. 7.

It can happen now. I hope that what you are doing will be immediately shared with the commisioners of FIND and we will be telling the world to Visit Jacksonville.

Your Making it happen and I want to be a part of it.

North Miami and I had the opportunity to share with Jim Love Dist. 14 city council member that 2011-560 can seek an amendment to the legislation for a matching amount with FIND that could Make It Happen for a kayak launch under the bridge. Rules meeting in council chambers in 2 hours.

 

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« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2011, 11:22:41 AM »
2011-560 Shipyards/Landmar legislation. Does anyone know the terms of the settlement agreement? I couldn't tell you. The unsecured debt amount. The Public Trust continues to be absolutely destroyed in this community.

Gaffney has totally abandoned his constituents in his District

Redman continues to lead the conspiracy to deny Public Access and Economic opportunity to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a federal initiative.

If I lived in Dist.14 I would hope that Jim Love would attach an amendment that would seek a $100,000 of the $23,000,000, Twenty Three million dollars of the UNSECURED settlement amount that would go into a separate fund that could seek a FIND matching grant for a canoe and kayak launch  in Dist.14. Council vote in two days.

It can happen. What councilman will have the guts to Make It Happen with a floor amendment? Anyone care?

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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2011, 01:24:48 PM »
 I recall our brief meeting with Councilman Love was general reference to FIND,not 2011-560.

I personally do not know if 2011-560 is a potential vehicle for District 14 River Access.

I do agree decades long euphoric call to "River Access" is ringing hollow.
Enhanced and expanded Public River Access will require concerted focus and direction.
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2011, 02:29:15 PM »
2011-560 is definately not the bill to be attaching any amendments to.

For readers who don't really understand the bill... here it is in a nutshell:

John Delaney wanted to use the land for a large riverfront urban park as part of the Better Jacksonville Plan.  Several concessions were made to the plan in order to get the legislation to pass, which did not include Delaney's plan to roll this potential park into the sweeping(and brilliant) land trust deals of BJP.

The property was originally going to be used for cold storage wharehousing until the property's owners were convinced by the mayor to become real estate developers.

TriLegacy originally had the property until Landmar steps in.   Landmar and JEDC agree to a development deal for the property.  The city raises bonds to pay for the redevelopment deal, and by doing so... Landmar receives a mortgage by the city, that is secured by the 40 acre parcel.

As part of this redevelopment deal, Landmar is to spend about 35million on public infrastcture to the site(among things that include a Riverwalk extension, a public pier, sewage lines, drainage, environmental remediation of the land, etc) and pay against the debt the city holds(bonds) based on a formula that would subtract out property tax revenue gained by the city.

Landmar spends about 19 million (mainly the bulkhead work you see today, which is at the very least will make a Riverwalk extension more cost-effective) and pays the city about 13 million against the bond debt.

The company has trouble serving debt obligations, so the city modifies the mortgage.

The company goes bankrupt. 

The city agrees to a deed in lieu(remember the city holds a mortgage on the property)... which is a vehicle to take back the property without going through foreclosure proceedings(which are both expensive and lengthy, so this saved the city money).  At the time of the deed in lieu the property was appraised at 20mm.

At this point Landmar owes the city somewhere around 57million.  Now as part of a bankruptcy, parties file unsecured debt claims.  In this case, the company offers a claim of $893k against the amount it owes the city.  There was initially(in 2009 I believe) a date set for 2012 to dispute this claim in bankruptcy court.  Before that 2012 hearing, there would be an enormous amount of discovery that would take place.

This process would again be expensive and cumbersome for the city.  So, they work out a settlement for an unsecured claim of 23mm.  Landmar actually owes the city around 37million(57 million of actual debt minus the value of the land).

The value of the land will drive this unsecured debt claim... which is what this entire legislation(2011-560) is about.  This is what Councilman Crescimbeni is asking about.  The land value should be around 20mm and the value the assesor is saying the city should accept is 23mm.

Nowhere in this bill is the city spending or gaining any money... its simply a claim against monies already spent.  The city may or may not ever get any of that claim once the bankruptcy proceedings are over.  Meanwhile the city still owes debt tied to this transaction(the bonds). 

I think there needs to be an agreement that would make the promised public pier and the bulkhead area which the Riverwalk extension would be built on a seperate parcel from this 40 acre site, therefore ensuring public access to the pier in the future.  There is nothing stopping a developer buying this property from the city and never allow public use to these two crucial assets(the pier and a potential Riverwalk extension). 

The only hope we have now is for this to happen in the future, and public discussion and a plan needs to be put in place for this property.  One great idea would be to follow the lead of the Columbus Commons http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-aug-what-to-do-with-the-shipyards.

This would allow the city to shape what type of private development they would like to see occur once the market rebounds.  The city has tried twice now to stick their own vision on this property.  Why not give it a mechanism that works this time(aka the Colombus Commons model)?  By doing so, the Riverwalk could connect to Metro Park and the Bay Street Pier Park can be a centerpiece activity to activate public use of the river.... while private development occurs on the remaining 36 acres of the property.

In the meantime, the city has done site clearing work to prepare the property for parking during football season, planted trees on the property to hide Berkman II and have repaired the sidewalk along Bay Street.
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2011, 03:50:12 PM »
I think it would be great for the city to complete the Riverwalk to Metro park and include a public pier that would allow the mooring of those smaller cruise ships that now tie up at the Hyatt.  However, I have very little confidence in COJ to choose a land use for the rest of the property that is economically viable and will generate property tax revenue.
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Re: Working Waterfronts: Jacksonville's Marina Mile
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2011, 09:18:08 PM »
2011-560 is definitely not the bill to be attaching any amendments to.

But it can be done. Councilman Bill Bishop said that to me at the Finance agenda meeting prior to its start and it is true that any council member can introduce an amendment.

At the Monday Rules meeting councilman Gaffney did not say one word. And this is primarily his district. He has totally abandoned his constituents.

Redman has done the same thing with the pier in Dist.4. Only worse. This will be highlighted in the Aug31 Waterways special FIND subcommittee meeting.

Millions and Millions of dollars and here was my simple amendment which is part of the permanent record. I oppose this legislation unless an amendment is attached that would provide $100,000 that would go into a separate fund that could seek a FIND matching grant for a canoe and kayak launch in Dist.7 for Klutho Park or Confederate Park. Ask all creditors if they would accept this as a friendly amendment. The creditors would allow this to go to the front of the line.

Any council member can try for this. I'll be sharing this with the commissioners of FIND our Regional Partners and other counties to show how the Public Trust just continues to be destroyed in this community as it relates to Public Access and economic opportunity to our St. Johns River our American Heritage River a federal initiative.