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Re: Jaguars on the Field: How do we compare?
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2009, 08:45:37 AM »
Quote from: sandyshoes on December 03, 2009, 06:05:28 PM
Just reported on WJXT, speculation Jags may move to L.A. - they are going to build a new stadium contingent upon securing a team.  No comment from Jags camp, L.A. very smug saying 50/50 chance "a team" will sign.

Speculation that has been around for years is breaking news? I wonder if WJXT saw the ESPN article from Adam Schefter.
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Re: Jaguars on the Field: How do we compare?
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2009, 09:35:24 AM »
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"a team" will sign.

There are 10 other teams that "may sign", I still think it will be either Buffalo or Minnesota, neither team is getting the cities to build them a new stadium, and Jax just gave away 5 million a year to the Jags for improvements.

As long as the city, Peyton's only accomplishment in my eyes, plays nice and invests in the team, I think they will stay. Of course a better playing team would be nice too, that would sell more seats.
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Re: Jaguars on the Field: How do we compare?
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2009, 09:46:14 AM »
I wish Peyton had gotten involved sooner, though I am thankful he is showing some leadership now.  This problem and its magnitude was obvious since the spring.  I was writing letters back then to various Jacksonville leaders in the hopes that something like the TD Jax revival would happen before the season.

Yes, better performance always sells more seats, but we have to get to the point where the Jaguars sell out as a matter of course regardless of whether they have a rough season.  All teams go through cycles.  Many teams will still sell out even if their teams have a rough year or two.  Not all markets can accomplish this, but more than half can, and we have a small margin for error since we're a small market that's perpetually under a media microscope.  And for the record, the Jaguars are vastly improved from last year and are playoff contenders, with a young roster clearly on the upswing.  Sometimes I wonder how many people realize that.
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Re: Jaguars on the Field: How do we compare?
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2009, 11:28:42 AM »
I wish they could go to a public ownership model a la Green Bay.  Weaver would still remain majority owner but give the fans opportunity to buy into the team.  League doesnt allow though.  It sure makes sense in a small market
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Re: Jaguars on the Field: How do we compare?
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2009, 03:50:46 PM »
Hi everyone! Gil Samson, Urban Jacksonville Jaguars writer, posted an amazing article today. Please read if you love Jacksonville and the Jaguars: http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2009/12/04/we-must-protect-this-house/
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Re: Jaguars on the Field: How do we compare?
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2009, 03:55:18 PM »
Quote from: urbanjacksonville on December 04, 2009, 03:50:46 PM
Hi everyone! Gil Samson, Urban Jacksonville Jaguars writer, posted an amazing article today. Please read if you love Jacksonville and the Jaguars: http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2009/12/04/we-must-protect-this-house/

That article is a thing of beauty, and I hope it will change hearts and minds.  Although I'm mystified at the commentor who stated that she hates the Jaguars because they anger and embarrass her. 
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Re: Jaguars on the Field: How do we compare?
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2009, 05:01:25 PM »
Steve, I'm Really enjoying your articles in this series so far. I'm learning a lot. They're written really well and in a way that makes it easy for a newbie like me to understand. Can't wait to read the next one.
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Re: Jaguars on the Field: How do we compare?
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2009, 05:14:06 PM »
Quote from: SunKing on December 04, 2009, 11:28:42 AM
I wish they could go to a public ownership model a la Green Bay.  Weaver would still remain majority owner but give the fans opportunity to buy into the team.  League doesnt allow though.  It sure makes sense in a small market

Right now the team is losing money.  Don't think we want to push for this now :)
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2009, 11:05:07 AM »
Really?  Not so.  The Jaguars are about right in the middle of the league in operating income (making money).  Only 2 teams lose money right now, which is hard to do in the NFL, given a guaranteed revenue share of about $150 million.  Teams lose money today either by having expensive stadium leases or paying on worthless contracts, which is the case with Seattle and Oakland.

Jacksonville actually leads half the league including Carolina, Green Bay, Tennessee, Pittsburgh and Dallas! in MAKING MONEY.  Which is why I say not all is as it appears.

I would much rather own interest in the team and never even receive a dividend (but retain value should the team be sold) rather than pay for a PSL. 
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Re: Jaguars on the Field: How do we compare?
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2009, 11:07:55 AM »
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Jacksonville actually leads half the league including Carolina, Green Bay, Tennessee, Pittsburgh and Dallas! in MAKING MONEY.  Which is why I say not all is as it appears.

Can you provide a link to back this up?
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Re: Jaguars on the Field: How do we compare?
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2009, 11:24:42 AM »
^Not Possible.  The only team that actually opens its books is the Green Bay Packers, because it is owned by the City of Green Bay.  Forbes does an estimate, but they are not considered all that accurate.
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Re: Jaguars on the Field: How do we compare?
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2009, 11:42:18 AM »
That is what I thought... Thanks Steve. :)
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Re: Jaguars on the Field: How do we compare?
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2009, 05:00:39 PM »
Well if Forbes is "not accurate" then figure it out for yourselves.  Green Bay is the only team with open books but there is no mystery to what a team's major revenues or expenses are, players and coaches salaries, stadium lease, travel expenses.

Revenues are easier to understand: guaranteed revenue share plus Jaguars average about $5 million a game in ticket and game day sales, then the rest is sponsorships. 

There are actually other sources besides Forbes, but believe what you want, the numbers are right in front of your nose.
   
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Re: Jaguars on the Field: How do we compare?
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2009, 06:34:03 AM »
Just asking you to post a link to the source you cite... pretty simple.
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Re: Jaguars on the Field: How do we compare?
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2009, 08:35:54 AM »
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on December 03, 2009, 06:44:12 PM
Quote from: sandyshoes on December 03, 2009, 06:05:28 PM
Just reported on WJXT, speculation Jags may move to L.A. - they are going to build a new stadium contingent upon securing a team.  No comment from Jags camp, L.A. very smug saying 50/50 chance "a team" will sign.

This video came out the other day and was on Jaguars This Week.  The smug L.A. person is affiliated with Majestic Realty, whose CEO is the individual who would be majority owner of an L.A. team. 

While not to dismiss the seriousness of this situation at all, remember:

1) There's no reason to conclude the team they're referring to is definitely Jacksonville

2) The person making the statement has a vested interest in the situation and may be using puffery to sway opinion

I am very frightened of how many in Jacksonville seem to be taking the endless L.A. talk to heart and acting as though the team is a goner and no one should buy tickets, or inventing the idea that the city never supported the team, or just turning on the team altogether and constantly maligning it.  This is exactly what the L.A. people want.

Do not give them what they want.

Good assertion "Wacca;" seems to be some type of psychology their casting out there.  If we bite, then we'll get hooked and caught.

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