Author Topic: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?  (Read 9281 times)

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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2009, 09:37:41 AM »
They BETTER repaint the paw prints!  I wish they would paint them teal.
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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2009, 11:17:29 AM »
What portion was widened?

the southside of the road from Ocean to at least Market (maybe Liberty) was widened by about 3 feet....it was done to convert the outside parking lane into a travel lane....allowing 4 lanes of traffic + one parking lane.

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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2009, 11:30:41 AM »
How much extra would it have cost to lay the groundwork for light rail during this project?  Ock?

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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2009, 11:36:29 AM »
the southside of the road from Ocean to at least Market (maybe Liberty) was widened by about 3 feet....it was done to convert the outside parking lane into a travel lane....allowing 4 lanes of traffic + one parking lane.

Ocean to Liberty is 3 blocks and not even pictured.

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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2009, 12:58:10 PM »
Since MetroJax got them to redo the I-95 bridge signs, would it be possible for us to lobby for some teal Jaguar prints as well??

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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2009, 01:41:54 PM »
Could it be in anticipation of future developments?  Or soon to be construction that we don't know about?  Looking at the before and after pics, Bay Street looked fine to me.

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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2009, 01:44:28 PM »
the southside of the road from Ocean to at least Market (maybe Liberty) was widened by about 3 feet....it was done to convert the outside parking lane into a travel lane....allowing 4 lanes of traffic + one parking lane.

Ocean to Liberty is 3 blocks and not even pictured.

sure...originally I said that a portion of the road was widened....

maybe they could have avoided resurfacing the whole thing, but have you seen what restriping looks like when not in the same place (those black lines can be confusing)....now the it looks good and can last another 10 +/- years before needing to be done again....so its not a complete waste of money.


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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2009, 02:11:18 PM »
I could never see the need to pay $3 Million Dollars so all of the suburbanites can run home faster after games. Instead of sitting in traffic, there are a few restaurants and bars downtown that do not charge $11 for a bud lite. Also apparently notifying the business owners on that street about the construction was an after thought.
Again the misconception that this is solely for Jaguars games.  What about all the folks who come in for FL/GA, the fair, Gator Bowl, etc?  IIRC, traffic SNAFUs after last years' FL/GA game caused murmurings of the game leaving, which is most likely the catalyst for this change.

Furthermore, give the visitors and lowly suburbanites something to do downtown instead of being sneered at by folks like you, and maybe we'd see some changes on game and event days. 

How about those aforementioned restaurants advertise their services to the crowds before and after said games and events?  Hand out flyers in the lot before and after games.  Put folks at the lot exits with sandwich boards, something?  Don't make them research things to do after their events- go get those customers!

"After games" I guess was rather vague and apologies if I did not list every single crowd drawing activity in that general complex. Anywho, there is plenty to do downtown after the games such as the bars along Bay St., Burrito Gallery , the London Bridge, City Hall pub, and The Landing for starters. I have personally flyered several times for a bar during FL/GA and other events.The "murmurings" are not the result of traffic problems but rather, like most things, Money and Politics.

The reason I am against this system is because it creates a "Cattle Chute" to usher people out of downtown as quickly as possible. This in turn makes a choice for people to bypass the food, bars and culture of downtown. Not to mention hindering further development.
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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2009, 02:14:19 PM »
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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2009, 02:26:06 PM »
now it looks good and can last another 10 +/- years before needing to be done again....so its not a complete waste of money.

How many times has Bay been resurfaced in the last couple of years?  Wasn't it resurfaced for the Super bowl and Bay Street Town Center projects?  If JTA puts a streetcar in, it will be resurfaced again.  Sounds more like a lack of coordination problem between different public agencies and city departments.
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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2009, 02:29:41 PM »
I would think the reason this was repaved was a safety concern.  You start messing with the striping to the extent they were doing it and the new striping wouldn't be as easy to see. 

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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2009, 02:32:02 PM »
Sounds like a coordination problem, which in turn, costs the taxpayer more money in the long run.  What's the plan when streetcar tracks go down the middle of those reversible lanes?  Perhaps we'll cross that bridge when we get to it?
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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2009, 02:42:10 PM »
exactly...and I wouldn't expect to see streetcar tracks on Bay Street for at least 10 years.

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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2009, 03:19:08 PM »
Meanwhile, all around downtown we have roads with actual safety issues. Someone demolished their car by hitting this hole on Jefferson Street:


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Re: City Re-Paves Bay Street, but Why?
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2009, 03:24:00 PM »
"After games" I guess was rather vague and apologies if I did not list every single crowd drawing activity in that general complex. Anywho, there is plenty to do downtown after the games such as the bars along Bay St., Burrito Gallery , the London Bridge, City Hall pub, and The Landing for starters. I have personally flyered several times for a bar during FL/GA and other events.The "murmurings" are not the result of traffic problems but rather, like most things, Money and Politics.

The reason I am against this system is because it creates a "Cattle Chute" to usher people out of downtown as quickly as possible. This in turn makes a choice for people to bypass the food, bars and culture of downtown. Not to mention hindering further development.

I can understand your point, but there are thousands of people who--to a man/woman--couldn't rattle off all those places you cited, with the notable exception of the Landing venues and maybe City Hall Pub.  

Still others wouldn't go anywhere you sent them downtown because of their entrenched ngative perception of the core.  Bottom line is, the people who don't want to stay downtown aren't going to anyway, regardless of how easy or hard it is to get the hell out of Dodge and back home. 

I still stand by the statement that if the downtown venues want to skim some of those eventgoers, they have to be beyond aggressive, moreso because the city won't help you and you have the added bonus of a perception problem to overcome.  Will any of these modifications prevent someone turning off of Bay St?  If the answer is no, then perhaps the onus is on the venues to make people want to turn off of Bay--or better yet, not get in the car to begin with--right??

Otherwise, we can keep griping over spilt milk and cursing those evil suburbanites whose money the business owners ironically covet being spent in their venues.

As for me, it has nothing to do with perception of nothing to do.  I'm well aware of what's there.  I'm usually sweaty and feel gross after a game, so I'd prefer to go home and shower before going out somewhere, especially to one of the more trendy places, whose regulars may or may not look too favorably on all us "Neanderthal Jag/sports/whatever band you hate that played at the arena fans" ruining the vibe of their hangouts.  I'm probably off-base with that, but I tend not to enjoy patronizing a place I don't feel welcome in unless I run home and put on the right clothes or look the right way; and I'm well aware that's likely my own paranoia. 

Furthermore, I have a wife and kid at home, which also limits where I can go and what I can do afterward.  Were I still single, I'd probably hang out in a couple of the bars downtown.
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