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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2009, 11:31:02 AM »
heights unknown,
a new term for your vocabulary: sarcasm

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2009, 11:58:11 AM »
I just recently visited San Diego, awesome city!

I do believe there is vision in Jacksonville, I just think the ones with the vision have no money or help from the city.

Obviously the Baptist Church is not going anywhere so why do we keep harping on it? There is plenty of land to develop and buildings to be renovated downtown.

The problems in our city come down to our government and yes I do believe we are being ran by a good ole boy system. 

I hear a lot of negativity about Jacksonville and yes, I will admit, I am sometimes a part of that. How do we change our negativity into positivity and come up with solutions and start taking action? I read this site every morning and if there is this many people that want change and have amazing ideas than why hasn’t something happen. Because of Metro Jax and other sites these issues are being brought to the public and change is happening very very slowly. At times I feel like our city take a step forward and than does something to bring us back down. We will get there, I just hope it’s before we have distorted what is left of our amazing passed.

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2009, 12:04:55 PM »
San Diego is a great town, and Jacksonville could be just as beautiful, I see so many comments about why Jacksonville can't be as nice and vibrant, but the truth to me seems to be that as much as any church, or politician is holding us back is this common sense of "can't do" that so many of us have regarding our city. I think we could do the things that would put us on par with these other cities, and we all need to be out there talking to everyone we know about why we can, believing that we can and demanding from local government more.

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2009, 01:04:14 PM »
From what I have heard, the San Diego of the '80's is the Jacksonville of today.  

Maybe there needs ot be an in-depth examination of SD post WW2 to see exactly how they took the path that lead them to where they are today.  

That's exactly how I felt when I visited there.....the two cities have much in coimmon but one is 10-20 years ahead of the other.

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2009, 02:32:18 PM »
Well Ron Burgundy says that San Diego means "a whale's vagina".  I'll still with Jacksonville!  :)

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2009, 04:00:26 PM »
heights unknown,
a new term for your vocabulary: sarcasm

"Jax Native," please re-read my post, I did say "respectfully" and I meant that; sarcasm was not wholly meant to be exuded, but, I am very pro-Jacksonville so please forgive me if I came across too aggressive or even sarcastic in your own mind.  Thanks.

P.S. - my vocabulary, believe me, is much more extensive than yours, however, I don't need to use big words to show that I am educated.  Thanks again.

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2009, 04:49:55 PM »
Such a deal! I've got the perfect way for San Diego to clean up C-Street~!

Let's trade them even for Water Street!

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2009, 05:16:20 PM »
heights unknown-
I've taken nothing personal and no way have found you aggressive or sarcastic; I was actually alluding to me being sarcastic, not you.  Trust me, I was not trying to take a shot at your intellect or the extent of your education.  By reading your posts it is obvious that you are intelligent, but if you would like to get together for a spelling or vocabulary test, you might find yourself scratching your head.  And that will be due to my ineptness :)

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2009, 05:18:14 PM »
Jason-
Jacksonville means "manatee vagina" . . .  or was it Cowford, anyway are you still with Jacksonville?

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2009, 06:43:34 PM »
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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2009, 08:21:42 PM »


Absolutely one of my favorite pictures concerning Jacksonville, check out the guy down below, does anyone know his name?  Would have the same grin on my face

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2009, 08:29:23 PM »
Can someone explain to me the notion that churches are somehow holding the city back.

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2009, 09:54:02 PM »
Correction about the the old building in downtown Jacksonville. I don't think that Jacksonville would get a kick out of tearing down old buildings for the sake of just a flat surface parking lot (or a pocket park for that matter), with all due respect. They wanted to make more room for some big development. Then again, some of those old buildings could've been saved for something. But yet again, who would dare blame the city or the developers for wanting to see the projects be finalized and realized only to see some fall through the cracks. Things happened like a few other cities.

Forget jacksonville, I'm ready to move to San Diego!

In all due respect, "your bags are not packed yet?"

I hope you are not dissing our city.  It is not the city's fault that it is stagnant in all areas of growth and prosperity.  However, I feel your despair, frustration, etc.  But don't diss our city.

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I think all of us should never diss this city. I was born and raised in this city and I'm blessed to live here. I would never say anything rotten about it and never will.

Can someone explain to me the notion that churches are somehow holding the city back.

I don't believe that the churches hold the city back. I think it's the city's ideas of how they run things, and how they vision the city will determine what will the city should be in the future. Jacksonville will be vibrant in time. It's just that they need to get a better vision of what they want and what WE all want to see in this town. And sometimes the city would need OUR help in making the city better. 
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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2009, 11:11:51 PM »
While attending gas free engineering school at the navy base in San Diego I was surprised to see that they close off the gas lamp district and have a huge Mardi Gras celebration. How is it possible that a city that has zero French history can celebrate Mardi Gras but Jacksonville that has french history as far back as the 1500s cant. Its mind blowing that this city does not realize how much money Mardi Gras could bring in

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Re: Elements of Urbanism: San Diego
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2009, 11:26:17 PM »
Fort Caroline and St. Augustine
1492 Columbus discovers the New World.
1513 Florida discovered by Ponce de Leon.
1562, May 2 Ribault a French Huguenot, sent to the New World by Gaspard de Coligny, Admiral of France, discovers the St. Johns he "caused a pillar of hard stone to be planted within saye River, and not far from the mouth of the same upon a little sandie knappe, in which pillar the Armes of the King of France were carved and engraved." He sails further north to Port Royal S.C., and leaves 26 men there founding Charlesfort. These men later abandon the fort and are found adrift near England after having cannibalized one of their group. Ribault returns to France.
1562 July Ribault arrives in France to find that the Wars of Religion have begun. He is at the seige of Dieppe, when it falls to Catholics he flees to England, later imprisoned there.
1563 May French War ended by Treaty of Amboise
1564, April 22 Rene Goulaine de Laudonniere, Ribault's leutinenat on the first voyage sails for St. Johns to establish colony, Ribault is still in prision in England.
1564 June 22-25 The French arrive at St. Johns. The Indians have left food and flowers at the column in some sort of worship. After some time Laudonniere establishs Fort Caroline under St. Johns Bluff. Colony has problems with Indians, several plots against de Luadonniere's life, and mutinies. Some of the Mutineers steal the colonies boats and raid the Spainish West Indies. The French failed to conserve supplies and began to barter for food with the Indians, this led to the taking of the local King as hostage. Laudonniere decides to return to France. They begin to build a boat.
1565, August 3 John Hawkins arrives looking for Charlesfort, trades food and a ship to the French for guns and ammo.
1565, August 28 As they prepare to leave Ribault arrives with a relief fleet of 600 colonists and 7 ships. He relives Laudonniere of command. Several colonists who had returned to France (the earlier mutineers) claimed Laudonniere believed himself the king of New France. Ribault has been ordered to defend the colony and prevent the Spainish from founding one here.
1565, August 28 Spanish under Pedro Menendez de Aviles lands at the River of Dolphins with 19 ships, 1054 men including craftsmen, wives, children and livestock.
1565, September 5 Spanish ships arrive at the St. Johns. French sail off and Spanish who are unable to catch them return to the River of Dolphins.
1565, September 8 St. Augustine founded.
1565, September 10 Ribault ordered by Coligny not to allow Menendez to settle takes his ships to St. Augustine despite a coming storm.
1565, September 11 Ribault arrives at St. Augustine and almost catches Menendez in a small boat offshore. The Spanish ships sail for Hispaniola. Unable to cross the bar Ribault prepares to return to the St. Johns when the storm hits and scatters his ships southward. Menendez marches overland in the storm to Ft. Caroline.
1565 Sept. 20 Menendez takes Fort Caroline, some French escape including Laudonniere. 70 women and children aer captured. Others are hanged as heretic Lutherans. Menendez renames the fort Ft. Mateo since it was taken on St. Matthew's day.
1565. Sept 28 First Matanzas massacre. Ft. Mateo burns and is rebuilt later.
1565, Oct 12 Second Matanzas massacre. Ribault killed.