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Re: America Rediscovers The Streetcar
« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2009, 07:21:40 PM »
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When one average Florida household switches a non-gas water heater to a natural gas tankless water heater, it reduces the household carbon footprint by approximately 3,000 pounds every year. That’s about the size of an average rhinoceros.

If just 10,000 Floridians made the switch to natural gas, the state’s carbon footprint would be reduced by 15,000 tons.

Saving 15,000 tons of carbon is equivalent to recycling about 4,700 tons of waste instead of sending to a landfill, or removing the emissions of nearly 2,500 automobiles on Florida roads each year.*

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These are small changes, imagine taking every vehicle in transportation and converting it to NGV? Why not look for a tranportation system that helps use power from providers who are serious about changing the way we pollute the air? Its a small thing to ask for the entire planet. I am sure the rail zealots know that GE is looking to use batteries to help with the new EVO locomotives " GE said the locomotive uses alternating current electric technology, which reduces the amount of fuel it needs by 17 percent compared with the direct current-powered, or DC, locomotives that are commonly used by transportation companies. The locomotive reduces emissions by 70 percent over the DC versions and 600 of the new trains could do the same job as 800 older trains, according to GE". The technology is there, so why not do some good, or are their rail dreams in Jacksonville that closed to new ideas?

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Re: America Rediscovers The Streetcar
« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2009, 09:49:31 PM »
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The technology is there, so why not do some good, or are their rail dreams in Jacksonville that closed to new ideas?

Did you just completely ignore the post above yours?
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Re: America Rediscovers The Streetcar
« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2009, 07:47:34 PM »
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Did you just completely ignore the post above yours?

I could not see it through the SMOG your rail system will produce.  :P
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Re: America Rediscovers The Streetcar
« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2009, 07:49:37 AM »
mtrain... if your argument is that trains and rail produce more pollutants than autos you are way off base.  I have been trying to follow your anti train/rail argument on this particular thread and I simply do not understand where you are coming from.  I may be a bit slower than the others here so could you please... just for me... restate your position so I might understand it.

Im just not sure if I should support your position or be against it. :)
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Re: America Rediscovers The Streetcar
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2009, 11:34:59 AM »
BT Mtrain wants to spend our money on other worthwhile projects.  A reasonable point of view.  The problem is, with his strategy of just throwing anything he can think of or has ever heard or read on the wall to see if any of it will stick. I have done the same thing arguing for rail to people.  You end up making so many points that can be easily shot down that some of your core point is lost.
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Re: America Rediscovers The Streetcar
« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2009, 01:17:56 PM »
Thanks Jeffrey... It is reasonable to have differing priorities.  And if that is what mtrain thinks then he should just say so.  Throwing "Train Pollution" on the wall is clearly not going to stick... :)  to anything... :)
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Re: America Rediscovers The Streetcar
« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2009, 01:31:08 PM »
There is nothing wrong with having different priorities.  My wife is as passionate about education as Mtrain.  In regards to rail, the argument here has never been to take dedicated money from other issues like education or crime.  We're pushing for better utilization of transit dollars.  If Mtrain is against money being spend on transit period, he needs to take it up with the government, not Metro Jacksonville.
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Re: America Rediscovers The Streetcar
« Reply #52 on: December 09, 2009, 01:57:46 AM »
Toss OKC into this one. With the passage of MAPS 3, downtown will receive a 6 mile street car line. Among many other things like a new convention center and central park where the curret Crosstown Expy (I-40) currently runs downtown. The Crosstown is currently being located a mile south of it's current position.

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-voters-say-yes-to-maps-3-proposal/article/3423715?custom_click=lead_story_title
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Re: America Rediscovers The Streetcar
« Reply #53 on: December 09, 2009, 08:49:59 AM »
As this country recovers some of it's streetcar hermitage it will make traveling more enjoyable. Hopefully we can add this benefit to our city.
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Re: America Rediscovers The Streetcar
« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2009, 02:51:49 PM »
I hope the the current Administration gets with the possible program and soon! They wish to revitilize downtown and the perimeter............well here is the chance! BRT downtown is not the answer, rail could be the right answer!

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Re: America Rediscovers The Streetcar
« Reply #55 on: March 28, 2010, 11:21:26 PM »
An updated map

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Re: America Rediscovers The Streetcar
« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2010, 12:07:42 AM »
How true Lake, and THAT list isn't close to complete!

As we all think the heritage streetcar is the route to go in Jacksonville, due to lower costs and the same benefits here is a list of Heritage Streetcar Operations in North America.

    
Large Size/Scale

Boston, MA

Little Rock, AR

New Orleans, LA

Memphis, TN

Philadelphia, PA

Portland, OR*

San Francisco, CA*

Seattle, WA*

Tampa, FL*

Toronto, ONT*


Medium Size/Scale

Charlotte, NC*

Dallas, TX*

Galveston, TX

Kenosha, WI*

Lowell, MA*

San Pedro, CA*

Tacoma, WA*
   

Tucson, AZ*

Vancouver, BC*


Small Size/Scale


Astoria, OR

Denver, CO

Edmonton, Alberta

El Reno, OK

Fort Collins, CO

Fort Smith, AR

Issaquah, WA

Nelson, BC

Savannah, GA


 

* Systems actively planning/building  significant extensions.



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Re: America Rediscovers The Streetcar
« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2010, 12:22:36 AM »
Toss in LIGHT RAIL SYSTEMS, which are in effect the streetcars kissing cousins and you REALLY get the scope of this revolution. NOTE that JAX made the cut of those planning a system.

Current and future (under construction) light-rail systems

    * Austin, Texas – Capital MetroRail
    * Baltimore, Maryland – Baltimore Light Rail
    * Boston, Massachusetts – MBTA Green Line and Ashmont–Mattapan High Speed Line
    * Buffalo, New York – Buffalo Metro Rail
    * Camden, New Jersey to Trenton, New Jersey – River Line
    * Charlotte, North Carolina – Lynx Light Rail
    * Cleveland, Ohio – RTA Blue and Green Lines
    * Dallas, Texas – Dallas Area Rapid Transit Light Rail
    * Denver, Colorado – TheRide
    * Houston, Texas – METRO Light Rail
    * Hudson County, New Jersey – Hudson-Bergen Light Rail
    * Los Angeles, California – LACMTA Blue Line, Green Line, Gold Line, Expo Line (Expo Line projected to open in 2010)
    * Minneapolis, Minnesota – Hiawatha Line
    * New Orleans, Louisiana – New Orleans Regional Transit Authority (RTA)
    * Newark, New Jersey – Newark Light Rail
    * Norfolk, Virginia – Tide Light Rail (scheduled opening in 2011)
    * Oceanside, California – SPRINTER
    * Phoenix, Arizona – Valley Metro Rail
    * Philadelphia, Pennsylvania – SEPTA Subway-Surface Trolley Lines and Suburban Trolley Lines
    * Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania – Pittsburgh Light Rail ("The T")
    * Portland, Oregon – MAX Light Rail, Portland Streetcar
    * Sacramento, California – Sacramento Regional Transit District Blue and Gold Lines
    * St. Louis, Missouri – St. Louis MetroLink
    * Salt Lake City, Utah – UTA TRAX
    * San Diego, California – San Diego Trolley
    * San Francisco, California – Muni Metro
    * San Jose, California – Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority
    * Seattle, Washington – Sound Transit Central Link, South Lake Union Streetcar
    * Tacoma, Washington – Sound Transit Tacoma Link
    * Washington, D.C. – Anacostia Streetcar (projected to open in 2012)[16]

 Proposed light rail or modern-streetcar systems

    * Albany, New York - see Albany Light Rail
    * Albuquerque, New Mexico – Albuquerque Rapid Transit Project
    * Arlington, Virginia – Columbia Pike Transit Alternative
    * Atlanta, Georgia – Atlanta Inner Core Transit Feasibility Study, Atlanta Streetcar, Belt Line
    * Bangor, Maine – Bangor to Trenton Transportation Alternatives Study
    * Baton Rouge, Louisiana – Baton Rouge Area Transportation Solutions
    * Birmingham, Alabama – Birmingham Regional Transportation Alternatives Analysis
    * Boise, Idaho – Capital City Development Corp. (City of Boise)[17]
    * Charleston, South Carolina – Charleston Area Regional Transportation Authority
    * Charlotte, North Carolina – LYNX Purple Line, Blue Line Extension/Northeast Corridor (LYNX), LYNX Silver Line
    * Chicago, Illinois – Chicago Transit Authority
    * Cincinnati, Ohio – Southwest Ohio Regional Transit Authority
    * Columbus, Ohio – Central Ohio Transit Authority/City of Columbus.[18] See Columbus Streetcar.
    * Corpus Christi, Texas – Corpus Christi Regional Transportation Authority
    * Detroit, Michigan – Detroit Transit Options for Growth Study [16]
    * El Paso, Texas – Sun Metro Area Rapid Transit Line
    * Fort Worth, Texas – Fort Worth Transportation Authority
    * Grand Canyon, Arizona – Grand Canyon Transit
    * Honolulu, Hawaii – Honolulu High-Capacity Transit Corridor Project
    * Huntsville, Alabama[19]
    * Jacksonville, Florida – Jacksonville Transportation Authority Transportation Alternatives Study
    * Kansas City, Missouri – Heartland Light Rail System
    * Los Angeles, California – Los Angeles Streetcar, Inc. (Downtown Red Car)
    * Louisville, Kentucky – Transportation Tomorrow
    * Madison, Wisconsin – Transport 2020
    * Miami, Florida – Trafficrelief (People's Transportation Plan)
    * Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Minnesota – Central Corridor (Minnesota), Southwest Corridor (Minnesota)
    * Milwaukee, Wisconsin – Milwaukee County Transit System
    * Monterey, California – Transportation Agency for Monterey County (TAMC)[20]
    * New York, New York – Staten Island Light Rail
    * Oklahoma City, Oklahoma – downtown modern streetcar network[21]
    * Pasadena, California – Greater Pasadena Regional Trolley
    * Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina – Research Triangle Regional Public Transportation Authority
    * Richmond, Virginia – GRTC Transit System
    * Rochester, New York – Rochester Rail Transit Committee
    * St. Louis, Missouri - Delmar Loop Trolley
    * Salt Lake City, Utah – Sugar House Streetcar
    * San Antonio, Texas – VIA Metropolitan Transit
    * San Bernardino, California – San Bernardino-Redlands light rail
    * Spokane, Washington – Spokane Regional Light Rail
    * Tampa, Florida – Tampa Bay Area Regional Transportation Authority (TBARTA)
    * Tucson, Arizona – modern-streetcar line[22]
    * Washington, D.C. – Purple Line [17]

Heritage streetcar systems

    * Austin, Texas – Capitol Metro Circulator System (Proposed to connect key destinations to MetroRail).
    * Charlotte, North Carolina – Charlotte Trolley
    * Dallas, Texas – McKinney Avenue Transit Authority
    * Galveston, Texas – Island Transit (Texas) – Galveston Island Trolley
    * Kenosha, Wisconsin – Kenosha Transit / Kenosha Streetcar service
    * Little Rock to North Little Rock, Arkansas – River Rail Streetcar
    * Memphis, Tennessee – Memphis Area Transit Authority Trolley
    * New Orleans, Louisiana – St. Charles Avenue Streetcar
    * Philadelphia, Pennsylvania – SEPTA Route 15 (Girard Avenue Trolley)
    * Portland, Oregon – Portland Vintage Trolley, Willamette Shore Trolley
    * San Francisco, California – F Market, San Francisco cable car system
    * San Pedro, Los Angeles, California – Port of LA Waterfront Red Car Line
    * Savannah, Georgia – River Street Streetcar
    * Tampa, Florida – TECO Line Streetcar System
    * Tucson, Arizona – Old Pueblo Trolley


JUST IMAGINE, When I first approached the City of Jacksonville with this plan some 30 years ago, we would have been the very FIRST CITY to have a Heritage Streetcar System, and the 3Rd newly built "Light Rail" system in over 60 years. Would of, Could of, Should of, THE JACKSONVILLE STORY, and we're still stalled out somewhere between home plate and first base.



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