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New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« on: November 24, 2008, 05:00:00 AM »
New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor



After several years of negative public feedback on their proposed dedicated busways parallel to I-95, JTA has now shifted to an affordable plan that will complement rail in Urban Jacksonville.

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Re: New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2008, 05:47:27 AM »
I wonder if this means they will have to fix the stop lights at Blvd and 8th now? The light lasts long enough for one, maybe two cars to get through I can't see one bus making it! Has anyone thoguht about the traffic issues 8th-11th? This stretch of Blvd is very, very busy M-F with the hospital and VA right there....

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Re: New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2008, 07:51:57 AM »
From what I understand, the VA Clinic will be moving to a new facility on Jefferson Street by the time this BRT thing is up and running.
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Re: New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2008, 07:56:52 AM »
sucks for anyone that has a house on blvd st

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Re: New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2008, 08:56:01 AM »
I'd like to know how long it takes a bus to travel this route today versus how long JTA expects it to take once BRT is implemented.

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Re: New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2008, 09:04:52 AM »
So for the stop on 8th Street, this would likely mean bus stop with a short staging lane in front of the Shell station porperty and a similar stop on across 8th in grassy buffer of the Shands property.

What kind of TOD/TAD could work with this streetscape, Lake?

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Re: New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2008, 09:11:00 AM »
The best I'm hoping for is nice sidewalks, landscaping and better lighting along the corridor.  I wouldn't expect a massive investment in TODs.  There's a strong relationship between TODs and fixed mass transit, but its pretty sketchy at best with this type of service.  This really isn't much more then glorified express bus service (buses running every 10 mintues).  Imo, JTA would be better off calling it this and driving home the point that its not a substitute for any form of rail.  Quite frankly, they could start running this route today without much problem.
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Re: New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2008, 09:19:11 AM »
Just as I suspected: BRT brings very little to that area.  >:( 

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Re: New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2008, 09:23:07 AM »
Just better bus frequencies, which is a good thing.  The key is to make sure its not a replacement for any form of rail.  As long as its a complement (this route does complement the S-Line) its okay.
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Re: New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2008, 11:43:10 AM »
How will they add an additional bus stopping lane there at 8th and Blvd? There is NO room. This means an already shortened light that backs up traffic is going to get even more clogged up because a bus is going to be sitting there every 10 mins... This is going to be a nightmare (I think, but hope I am wrong)

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Re: New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2008, 01:48:39 PM »
Why couldn't a trolley be put into this exact route? Gateway to Shands to Rosa Parks would be a great line. Then use the S line to do a Main St-Swisher-Shands(transfer station)-Stanton- EWC- Prime Osbourn? This ties you into to two ends of the Skyway, as well as gives you more connectivity through the north end. Go one step further, add a Bay st Trolley, and an F-Line (I think thats what it was called) Trolley from the Stadium District to Swisher.

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Re: New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2008, 03:02:07 PM »
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How will they add an additional bus stopping lane there at 8th and Blvd? There is NO room.

Including parallel parking, the street is currently wide enough for four lanes.  Take away the grass strip between the curb and the sidewalks and it would then be wide enough for six.  This leads me to the conclusion that they will either:

A. Remove parallel parking and restripe the lanes

B. Increase street width by taking advantage of grassy area between the sidewalks and existing curbs.

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This is going to be a nightmare (I think, but hope I am wrong)

The real nightmare was the idea of building a dedicated busway parallel to I-95 and claiming it was just as good as rail.  This route is better for BRT because it:

A. Hits were people live, work, shop and play.

B. Uses existing roads (this makes it affordable).

C. Complements rail (this would not compete with the S-Line).

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Why couldn't a trolley be put into this exact route?

The trolleys aren't much more attractive than a regular bus and they seat less.  Considering this will be a heavily traveled bus corridor, its better to use regular buses that carry more people instead of the faux trolleys. 
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Re: New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2008, 05:05:34 PM »
Since it is a block away from me I have a couple questions that I hope haven't already been answered elsewhere.

1) What will be the affect on noise and air pollution for those living on or near Boulevard?
2) What if any plan is in place for re-use of the VA building and neighboring parking garage? The property all appears to belong to Shands per the COJ database.

I'm wondering how much busier my street will become due to the BRT.

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Re: New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2008, 05:37:36 PM »
Annnnd it comes nowhere near the airport?? why?

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Re: New Route Revealed for BRT North Corridor
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2008, 05:38:26 PM »
Since it is a block away from me I have a couple questions that I hope haven't already been answered elsewhere.

1) What will be the affect on noise and air pollution for those living on or near Boulevard?
2) What if any plan is in place for re-use of the VA building and neighboring parking garage? The property all appears to belong to Shands per the COJ database.

I'm wondering how much busier my street will become due to the BRT.

Great questions.  I don't have those answers, but I assume there will be an increase in traffic and noise along Blvd.  As for the VA clinic, I don't know what will happen to it.


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