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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2024, 05:04:28 PM »
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The problem is these "antics" of Trump are always viewed through one lens which is usually through the lens of his political opponents. Trump was in the public spotlight for decades before he decided he was no longer a Democrat and ran for president as a Republican. I don't recall anyone accusing him of being a Hitler wannabe or E Jean Carroll accusing him of rape (until she had a book that needed to be sold). It became accusations galore. Almost all of which were some of the biggest lies we've ever seen in a presidential campaign/term.

Plenty of people are well aware of Trump issues long before he became a political figure. Multiple bankruptcies, multiple scandals and lawsuits, multiple investigations into shady business dealings. Flaunting infidelity… “grab em by the pussy”. I remember republicans crucifying Clinton for infidelity… but apparently they give trump a pass.  Long before he decided to “become a republican” he was a shady huckster selling a brand only concerned with his personal gain.


Regardless… he won the election. Democrats have only themselves to blame for their own hubris and incompetence and the country will pay.
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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2024, 11:36:06 PM »
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Trump vows an additional 10% tariff on China, 25% tariffs on Canada and Mexico

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/26/trump-vows-an-additional-10percent-tariff-on-china-25percent-tariffs-on-canada-and-mexico.html

Here comes inflation big time!  Aside from that, more jobs in the U.S. dependent on global trade, both exports and imports, will likely be lost than gained.  It would take years or more to reproduce these products in the U.S., and then at likely much higher prices.  There is a reason they are imported.  And the tariffed countries will be sure to counter-tariff U.S. exports to their countries costing U.S. jobs.

I will add that the average American will be far more impacted by tariff generated price increases and impacts on the job market than Trump's billionaire administration members who are salivating over his tax cuts to come.

Now add this... One reason so many immigrants come from south of the border is looking for jobs.  If you want more to come, just take their jobs away in their home countries.

So, increased inflation, lost U.S. jobs and increased immigration attempts.  Someone please explain to me how Trump's plan is supposed to work for the good of the U.S. of A.  Thanks.
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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2024, 03:18:10 PM »
Speaking as someone who works in local politics, blasting politicians, parties, policies, the machine, etc. is one thing, but it never makes sense to disparage your fellow voters. It definitely doesn't make people who already disagree with you more likely to see things your way.

Not really sure if this was directed at me (since you quoted me) or in general.  I would say that if it was directed at me, then it's hilarious because people on this very thread have no qualms about calling Trump voters racist, homophobic, misogynist, etc etc and that's ok, but me saying that people have Trump Derangement Syndrome is not ok and is disparaging fellow voters.  It's always a one way street.  The left can call people deplorables (we gladly take this title), Nazi sympathizers, and the list goes on.  Never a problem with that.  But the minute one of us says something about the other side, "Hey hey that's going too far..."

I remember when I was firmly on the left.  I started on the right and went to the left.  Never lost any friends over it.  When I left the left to come back to the right, lost tons of "friends".  It was a whole hullabaloo.  It's always one sided.

This board is a near total liberal echo chamber.  That's ok.  I disagree with so many on here about so many things, but sticking it out.  I suspect that if this were the same board but leaned as far right as it does left, none of the leftists would be left because they just can't handle it.
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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2024, 03:22:09 PM »
I for one have been genuinely suffering a little bit as of lately and I await the end of this current nightmare.
Please elaborate.

Elaborate about my personal life on a public forum?  Nah

I think it's safe to say, though, that many people are suffering financially right now.
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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2024, 04:13:57 PM »
^ Simms, looking forward to which SPECIFIC Trump policies will make your life better. 

Including the following:
- Reduced labor force due to restricted immigration policies raising costs of labor in farming, construction, medical services, etc.?
- Increased tariffs raising inflation across the board including construction, food, clothing, autos, etc.?
- Increased deficits due to huge spending to "build the wall" while cutting taxes that will lead to increased interest rates for financing?
- Again, too, what regulations do you want to see cut that don't have other consequences that they were designed to initially address?

This isn't right vs. left, this is real world so share with us your take on how this will make our collective lives better over the next 4 years.  All I see is hyper inflation and less employment.

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2024, 05:10:46 PM »
Speaking as someone who works in local politics, blasting politicians, parties, policies, the machine, etc. is one thing, but it never makes sense to disparage your fellow voters. It definitely doesn't make people who already disagree with you more likely to see things your way.

Not really sure if this was directed at me (since you quoted me) or in general.  I would say that if it was directed at me, then it's hilarious because people on this very thread have no qualms about calling Trump voters racist, homophobic, misogynist, etc etc and that's ok, but me saying that people have Trump Derangement Syndrome is not ok and is disparaging fellow voters.  It's always a one way street.  The left can call people deplorables (we gladly take this title), Nazi sympathizers, and the list goes on.  Never a problem with that.  But the minute one of us says something about the other side, "Hey hey that's going too far..."

I remember when I was firmly on the left.  I started on the right and went to the left.  Never lost any friends over it.  When I left the left to come back to the right, lost tons of "friends".  It was a whole hullabaloo.  It's always one sided.

This board is a near total liberal echo chamber.  That's ok.  I disagree with so many on here about so many things, but sticking it out.  I suspect that if this were the same board but leaned as far right as it does left, none of the leftists would be left because they just can't handle it.

It was directed at War Damn Jags Fan who I quoted. No one here has called other posters names like you’re saying. Which was the point; you’re reacting to things no one here said. All that does is make them less likely to listen to you.
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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2024, 07:23:03 PM »
Nowhere did I find more ardent Trump supporters than in farm country around the U.S.  Clearly, rural voters are a major portion of his most zealous base.  But, I could never figure out how farmers could reconcile their interest with Trump's plan to expel illegal immigrants that worked the harvests.

Now, they come and say illegal immigrants on farms should be treated differently than those who perform similarly critical jobs that U.S. citizens are not interested in like much of construction, some medical services (e.g. many CNA positions), low level restaurant jobs, etc.  Isn't this a bit hypocritical?  One rule for Trump's base and another for everyone else?

Why are farmers surprised?  As predicted, much of Trump's base has asked him for things they may come to regret.

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US farm groups want Trump to spare their workers from deportation

WASHINGTON, Nov 25 (Reuters) - U.S. farm industry groups want President-elect Donald Trump to spare their sector from his promise of mass deportations, which could upend a food supply chain heavily dependent on immigrants in the United States illegally.

So far Trump officials have not committed to any exemptions, according to interviews with farm and worker groups and Trump's incoming "border czar" Tom Homan.

Nearly half of the nation's approximately 2 million farm workers lack legal status, according to the departments of Labor and Agriculture, as well as many dairy and meatpacking workers....

....Mass removal of farm workers would shock the food supply chain and drive consumer grocery prices higher, said David Ortega, a professor of food economics and policy at Michigan State University.

"They're filling critical roles that many U.S.-born workers are either unable or unwilling to perform," Ortega said...

....U.S. Representative John Duarte, a Republican and fourth-generation farmer in California's Central Valley, said farms in the area depend on immigrants in the U.S. illegally and that small towns would collapse if those workers were deported...

...Farmers have a legal option for hiring labor with the H-2A visa program, which allows employers to bring in an unlimited number of seasonal workers if they can show there are not enough U.S. workers willing, qualified and available to do the job.

The program has grown over time, with 378,000 H-2A positions certified by the Labor Department in 2023, three times more than in 2014, according to agency data.

But that figure is only about 20% of the nation's farm workers, according to the USDA. Many farmers say they cannot afford the visa's wage and housing requirements. Others have year-round labor needs that rule out the seasonal visas....

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-farm-groups-want-trump-spare-their-workers-deportation-2024-11-25/

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2024, 06:45:10 AM »
Nowhere did I find more ardent Trump supporters than in farm country around the U.S.  Clearly, rural voters are a major portion of his most zealous base.  But, I could never figure out how farmers could reconcile their interest with Trump's plan to expel illegal immigrants that worked the harvests.

Now, they come and say illegal immigrants on farms should be treated differently than those who perform similarly critical jobs that U.S. citizens are not interested in like much of construction, some medical services (e.g. many CNA positions), low level restaurant jobs, etc.  Isn't this a bit hypocritical?  One rule for Trump's base and another for everyone else?

Why are farmers surprised?  As predicted, much of Trump's base has asked him for things they may come to regret.

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US farm groups want Trump to spare their workers from deportation

WASHINGTON, Nov 25 (Reuters) - U.S. farm industry groups want President-elect Donald Trump to spare their sector from his promise of mass deportations, which could upend a food supply chain heavily dependent on immigrants in the United States illegally.

So far Trump officials have not committed to any exemptions, according to interviews with farm and worker groups and Trump's incoming "border czar" Tom Homan.

Nearly half of the nation's approximately 2 million farm workers lack legal status, according to the departments of Labor and Agriculture, as well as many dairy and meatpacking workers....

....Mass removal of farm workers would shock the food supply chain and drive consumer grocery prices higher, said David Ortega, a professor of food economics and policy at Michigan State University.

"They're filling critical roles that many U.S.-born workers are either unable or unwilling to perform," Ortega said...

....U.S. Representative John Duarte, a Republican and fourth-generation farmer in California's Central Valley, said farms in the area depend on immigrants in the U.S. illegally and that small towns would collapse if those workers were deported...

...Farmers have a legal option for hiring labor with the H-2A visa program, which allows employers to bring in an unlimited number of seasonal workers if they can show there are not enough U.S. workers willing, qualified and available to do the job.

The program has grown over time, with 378,000 H-2A positions certified by the Labor Department in 2023, three times more than in 2014, according to agency data.

But that figure is only about 20% of the nation's farm workers, according to the USDA. Many farmers say they cannot afford the visa's wage and housing requirements. Others have year-round labor needs that rule out the seasonal visas....

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-farm-groups-want-trump-spare-their-workers-deportation-2024-11-25/

I now live in the mountains of north Georgia.  My county went 92% Trump... I  really cannot understand why either but on the rare occasion that I attempted to engage someone to at least understand I'm instantly met with naked hostility. I am instantly labeled a "lefty lib" who just doesn't get it. It's true... while not a lefty lib I certainly do not understand the cult of personality that is Trump. He has virtually nothing in common with these folks. I was even told that God had chosen many wicked people in the past to do his bidding. This is Baptist Bible country up here... Trump is most certainly not religious in the least... unless it's for a photo op.

The good news is that really do not talk politics with anyone at all anymore and that has been good for me... :) 8)
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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #38 on: November 27, 2024, 10:47:54 AM »
I think it's safe to say, though, that many people are suffering financially right now.

I hear you.  Thankfully these upcoming tariffs will really help put cash back in people's wallets.  Clearly the markets have hated Biden as well.  The S&P is only up 27% this year.

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #39 on: November 27, 2024, 01:35:55 PM »
Welcome aboard!
My (faint) hope is there are enough adults in Congress to stop his more wackadoodle nominations and plans.

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btw I heard Trump was nominating Dr. Seuss for the Surgeon General position. ;D
No. No. No. Get your bizarro rumors straight - Surgeon General is Hanibal Lecter, Dr. Seuss is too woke for this Adminstration

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2024, 03:50:39 PM »
Welcome aboard!
My (faint) hope is there are enough adults in Congress to stop his more wackadoodle nominations and plans.

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btw I heard Trump was nominating Dr. Seuss for the Surgeon General position. ;D
No. No. No. Get your bizarro rumors straight - Surgeon General is Hanibal Lecter, Dr. Seuss is too woke for this Adminstration
Thank you!:) :) :) I'm sure he'll do a much better job!...BTW it seems that my original post has disappeared.

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« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2024, 04:02:46 PM »
Seeing as how my original post seems to have disappeared I'll reiterate my original sentiments. 1). America is equally racist and stupid. 2). We have'nt improved as much as we'd like to imagine in the nearly 250 years since the ink on The Declaration of Independence was dry. 3). A common criminal won the election at the expense of our common national interest and ignorance was mostly the cause. Good luck to you all.

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2024, 08:15:17 AM »
Illegal immigration has been a hot topic and problem without a solution for a long time. Simply closing the border is unworkable and deporting millions of people is only a temporary solution. Ways back in 1943 the US tried a guest worker program to fill in for Americans who were serving in the war... it worked for awhile but it had some issues that no one was ready to tackle back then. I  think a modernized version of this could work today...

Thoughts?

https://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,8733.0.html

http://migration.ucdavis.edu/rmn/more.php?id=1112_0_4_0
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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2024, 11:20:06 AM »
Seeing as how my original post seems to have disappeared I'll reiterate my original sentiments. 1). America is equally racist and stupid. 2). We have'nt improved as much as we'd like to imagine in the nearly 250 years since the ink on The Declaration of Independence was dry. 3). A common criminal won the election at the expense of our common national interest and ignorance was mostly the cause. Good luck to you all.

We had an issue with a spam bot and I think I inadvertently deleted your comment while dealing with that. My apologies, but I reiterate my stance above that it never makes sense to belittle your fellow voters.
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« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2024, 11:40:05 AM »
Lastly, am I the only person in Jacksonville for voted for Donna and Trump? Probably not - but doubt there are that many of us!

You most certainly are not! Donna got significant Republican crossover votes as well as independents. This is why I say it doesn’t make sense to belittle your fellow voters— especially on a local level. In a national election our fellow voters are all over the country, but in a local one, they’re literally our own neighbors.
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