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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #60 on: January 21, 2025, 12:07:31 PM »
I doubt Pichai & Cook are really on his team.

Totally agree that neither dude screams Team Trump, but also think that China provides a good example of what both companies are willing to acquiesce to in terms of censorship and control in the name of profit.

China is easily the biggest "enemy" of these massive tech companies. China won't litigate patent law for example. It's a very purposeful strategy & I believe these corporate CEO's are acting in their best interests rather than supporting Trump but who knows what's really going on.

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #61 on: January 21, 2025, 12:21:45 PM »
- Comparing Kuwait to a colony of 60k plp. At least come up with something actually comparable like the Falklands.. something other than the middle east with a littered past?
- I would love to see a country of 60k people with 0% arable land & intense seas, sustain an independent economy (never gonna happen)

Nobody rationale wants to invade Greenland... but Greenland is & has always been a colony without self-determination. The Danish government has a very sketchy past with Greenland that the media doesn't talk about.

It's a very interesting play for the next 100+ years. Not worth a war or souring relations. I have to imagine Trump knows that & is just talking. I don't like the fact he does 'that' either.

HAHAHAHAHA, defending Soros. I love it.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117680/documents/HMKP-118-JU00-20240919-SD006.pdf
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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #62 on: January 22, 2025, 05:10:53 AM »
“Dear President Trump, listen very carefully. Greenland have been part of the Danish kingdom for 800 years. It’s an integrated part of our country. It is not for sale. Let me put it in words you might understand. Mr. Trump, fuck off.

— Danish MP Anders Vistisen, addressing the European Parliament.

- Comparing Kuwait to a colony of 60k plp. At least come up with something actually comparable like the Falklands.. something other than the middle east with a littered past?
- I would love to see a country of 60k people with 0% arable land & intense seas, sustain an independent economy (never gonna happen)

Nobody rationale wants to invade Greenland... but Greenland is & has always been a colony without self-determination. The Danish government has a very sketchy past with Greenland that the media doesn't talk about.

It's a very interesting play for the next 100+ years. Not worth a war or souring relations. I have to imagine Trump knows that & is just talking. I don't like the fact he does 'that' either.

HAHAHAHAHA, defending Soros. I love it.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117680/documents/HMKP-118-JU00-20240919-SD006.pdf

Do we have the right to invade any country smaller than us? Does China? You know we are smaller than China, right?  By an order of magnitude actually.

Greenland is doing just fine as it is and they can easily live independently as an economy. There are smaller countries doing just that. Do you think England sustains itself without trade?

Musk gave almost $300 million to ONE candidate in ONE election. Soros has given far less across MULTIPLE candidates in MULTIPLE races across MULTIPLE years. Not at all comparable. And don't get me started on the Koch brothers. What exactly is your beef with Soros. Why is MAGA obsessed with him and how do they not see their own hypocrisy?   
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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #63 on: January 22, 2025, 09:58:49 AM »
“Dear President Trump, listen very carefully. Greenland have been part of the Danish kingdom for 800 years. It’s an integrated part of our country. It is not for sale. Let me put it in words you might understand. Mr. Trump, fuck off.

— Danish MP Anders Vistisen, addressing the European Parliament.

- Comparing Kuwait to a colony of 60k plp. At least come up with something actually comparable like the Falklands.. something other than the middle east with a littered past?
- I would love to see a country of 60k people with 0% arable land & intense seas, sustain an independent economy (never gonna happen)

Nobody rationale wants to invade Greenland... but Greenland is & has always been a colony without self-determination. The Danish government has a very sketchy past with Greenland that the media doesn't talk about.

It's a very interesting play for the next 100+ years. Not worth a war or souring relations. I have to imagine Trump knows that & is just talking. I don't like the fact he does 'that' either.

HAHAHAHAHA, defending Soros. I love it.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117680/documents/HMKP-118-JU00-20240919-SD006.pdf

Do we have the right to invade any country smaller than us? Does China? You know we are smaller than China, right?  By an order of magnitude actually.

Greenland is doing just fine as it is and they can easily live independently as an economy. There are smaller countries doing just that. Do you think England sustains itself without trade?

Musk gave almost $300 million to ONE candidate in ONE election. Soros has given far less across MULTIPLE candidates in MULTIPLE races across MULTIPLE years. Not at all comparable. And don't get me started on the Koch brothers. What exactly is your beef with Soros. Why is MAGA obsessed with him and how do they not see their own hypocrisy?   

Pure comedy. Needed this lol.

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #64 on: January 25, 2025, 11:14:26 AM »
“Dear President Trump, listen very carefully. Greenland have been part of the Danish kingdom for 800 years. It’s an integrated part of our country. It is not for sale. Let me put it in words you might understand. Mr. Trump, fuck off.

— Danish MP Anders Vistisen, addressing the European Parliament.

- Comparing Kuwait to a colony of 60k plp. At least come up with something actually comparable like the Falklands.. something other than the middle east with a littered past?
- I would love to see a country of 60k people with 0% arable land & intense seas, sustain an independent economy (never gonna happen)

Nobody rationale wants to invade Greenland... but Greenland is & has always been a colony without self-determination. The Danish government has a very sketchy past with Greenland that the media doesn't talk about.

It's a very interesting play for the next 100+ years. Not worth a war or souring relations. I have to imagine Trump knows that & is just talking. I don't like the fact he does 'that' either.

HAHAHAHAHA, defending Soros. I love it.

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117680/documents/HMKP-118-JU00-20240919-SD006.pdf

Do we have the right to invade any country smaller than us? Does China? You know we are smaller than China, right?  By an order of magnitude actually.

Greenland is doing just fine as it is and they can easily live independently as an economy. There are smaller countries doing just that. Do you think England sustains itself without trade?

Musk gave almost $300 million to ONE candidate in ONE election. Soros has given far less across MULTIPLE candidates in MULTIPLE races across MULTIPLE years. Not at all comparable. And don't get me started on the Koch brothers. What exactly is your beef with Soros. Why is MAGA obsessed with him and how do they not see their own hypocrisy?   

Pure comedy. Needed this lol.

Typical MAGA response to being exposed to the facts.
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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2025, 11:13:40 PM »
Let's update....

Trump is dismantling, in 7 days, up to 200 years of precedents, the rule of law, government institutions, nonprofit and for-profit institutions, long held relationships with allies, checks and balances on his power and decision making, our justice system, medical research, social safety nets, educational infrastructure, military recruitment and retention, protections against discrimination, social and political norms, environmental protections, our immigrant labor force, a woman's right to choose, standards for competence and ethical behavior, etc.

He is delivering on the worst fears of much of this country and many of those who voted for him are sure to suffer as well under his presidency.  At the rate he is going, I can't imagine there will be many left that will be happy with his administration and legacy.  Hopefully, the midterms will reflect that and we at least get a Congress that will serve to exercise its rights to check his power, not the current one that lays down for all of his actions, regardless of how dangerous or out of bounds they may be.

Trump won with a 1.5% margin and less than 50% of the vote.  Not a mandate.  According to most pundits, he won based on fighting inflation, not because of the diehard MAGA agenda.  Yet, he has done little to address inflation and a lot to implement the MAGA agenda including closely implementing the 2025 Plan that he claimed he had nothing to do with and did not endorse.

Trump lives within his own mind that only values loyalty to him and promotes his ego and quest for unquestioned power.  Everything he does serves that purpose.  How far will he be able to go with this?

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #66 on: January 28, 2025, 01:37:08 PM »
Not a fan of the antics but I'm all for the Greenland play. That one actually seems feasible to a degree.
Trump wants to exploit Greenland for his own personal gain. Greenland wants independence not a substitute for Denmark.

Actually...Greenland is in a very important strategic position for national security and future trade. They had a great article about this in National Geographic a couple years ago. Basically, the sea ice in the arctic prevents it from being a useful waterway for most of the year, but if ice keeps melting then it could become an important navigation route.

This makes Russia's vast arctic coastline a much better launching point for potential attacks than it currently is. It also becomes an important trade route for moving oil from Alaska, Canada, etc. so it's an important supply line in the case of potential conflicts.

The Panama Canal is in a similarly important position, and if Panama were to ally with China it gives them a ton of leverage they could use against us in the case of a conflict or trade war. So these are not pointless power grabs for personal gain.

Trump (who I did not vote for btw) has a tendency to go into negotiations with some outlandish ask to anchor the conversation in his favor. It's just like haggling for a used car. You may come in with a lowball offer knowing that they will refuse, but in the process you give the other party a chance to save face because in the end they can say, "At least I talked him up from the original offer."

Who knows? Trump's end game may be just long-term leases for naval stations in Greenland and Canada. I can't say for sure. The unpredictability gives him an edge in dealing with other nations, but it can also backfire by hurting relationships with our allies. We shall see.

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #67 on: January 28, 2025, 02:16:20 PM »
The Panama Canal is of vital strategic importance. Until the shooting starts. It would take only a few cruise missiles to destroy the locks.

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #68 on: January 28, 2025, 04:52:08 PM »
Little known fact... the Panama Canal was originally destined to be built in Nicaragua.  Why wasn't it?  See the amazing story below.

Today, that option could be revisited and we would then have competing canals and a back up.

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A Stamp that Changed History: How the Panama Canal was Almost the Nicaragua Canal

....In the early 1900s, American politicians wanted to build a canal to bridge the distance between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, but they were divided on where to build it – in Panama, or in Nicaragua. Many members of Congress originally viewed Nicaragua as a safer choice when planning where to construct a canal. One reason for this was because the French had been working on just such a canal in Panama for the previous twenty years, to little success. The problems the French had run up against included a regular summer rainy season and deadly diseases such as yellow fever and malaria.[2]

There was also the question of foreign diplomacy; Panama had recently split from Colombia and, at the end of 1903, declared itself an independent nation. If America decided to pursue a project in Panama, it could jeopardize the U.S.’s diplomatic relationship with Colombia, which would not be pleased with an American business deal in a recently lost territory.[3] In contrast, Nicaragua was politically stable and construction on the canal would have been easier, due to a lake in the middle of the proposed canal zone.

The debate of where to build this canal tied Congress up for years. In 1902, a French engineer by the name of Philippe Buanu-Varilla decided to lobby Congress to continue their construction of the Panama Canal, instead of starting a new one in Nicaragua. Buanu-Varilla had, in fact, not only been an engineer on the French Panama Canal project for the past twenty years, but had also been an investor in the original project. Interested in preserving his work and stake in the project, he worked with an American named William Nelson Cromwell to lobby Congress to carry on with the Panama Canal.[4]

One of the ways Cromwell and Buanu-Varilla planned to convince Congress to move forward with a canal in Panama instead of Nicaragua was by mailing each member of the Senate a Nicaraguan stamp.[5] This stamp, one of a series, was released in 1900[6] and depicted the building of the railroad industry in Nicaragua, all in the foreground of a beloved national symbol: the local volcano Mt. Momotombo. The problem with the stamp, however, was with how Mt. Momotombo was drawn. With smoke spewing out the top, the volcano appeared active thereby giving the viewer the idea that it could possibly erupt!

The implication of Buanu-Varilla sending these stamps was clear: did Congress want to build a canal in a place where it could be destroyed by an active volcano? This concern was compounded by a recent volcano explosion on the Caribbean island of Martinique in 1902 that killed 30,000 people, making people wary of the uncertainty and danger around volcanic areas.[7] In the end, Congress voted to continue work on the Panama Canal for numerous reasons – including duration of time crossing the canal, the amount of land needed, and yes, even volcanic activity[8]  – and thus, in 1904[9], history was made in part due to this stamp!...



https://postalmuseum.si.edu/a-stamp-that-changed-history-how-the-panama-canal-was-almost-the-nicaragua-canal

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #69 on: January 29, 2025, 02:03:02 PM »
Little known fact... the Panama Canal was originally destined to be built in Nicaragua.  Why wasn't it?  See the amazing story below.

Today, that option could be revisited and we would then have competing canals and a back up.


That's actually been seriously discussed. Nicaragua just cancelled a deal China to do just that last year. The farmers and others protested because of the they didn't want to give up their property and because of the environmental impact.
https://apnews.com/article/nicaragua-chinese-canal-concession-cancelled-a6a0d262889ade3549246a987180c519

The Panama Canal is of vital strategic importance. Until the shooting starts. It would take only a few cruise missiles to destroy the locks.

That's true, but destroying the canal would be a serious blow to the Chinese economy, too. I don't think either the US or China would want that even if there were a conflict. As far as other countries, I don't get the feeling they'd want to challenge the big boys, but I'm just some guy on the internet. Who knows?

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #70 on: January 29, 2025, 05:40:24 PM »
Lost in the shock and awe of Trump II ... Senator Menendez (D) sentenced to 11 years... couldn't happen to a bigger asshole except possibly Trump himself...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/bob-menendez-sentencing-corruption-case/story?id=118186976
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

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Re: Trump Presidency #2
« Reply #71 on: January 29, 2025, 09:00:37 PM »
Lost in the shock and awe of Trump II ... Senator Menendez (D) sentenced to 11 years... couldn't happen to a bigger asshole except possibly Trump himself...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/bob-menendez-sentencing-corruption-case/story?id=118186976

At least with this the whole Democratic Party isn't rushing to his defense and accusing the judge, prosecutor, and anyone else involved of being evil and on a witch hunt.

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In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."