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The cost of building a new county jail could be in the range of $1 billion based on "back of envelope" number-crunching, according to the City Council member leading a special committee that is examining what the new jail should entail.

The ongoing study remains in the conceptual phase and has not yet done any in-depth cost analysis for a new jail, but council members expect it will cost substantially more than the estimates the city has been using in recent years.

The high cost of building a new jail would come on top of the expense for renovating the city-owned football stadium for a lease extension with the Jaguars. In the case of the stadium, the Jaguars presented a proposed design estimated at up to $1.4 billion. If the city and Jaguars owner Shad Khan reach a deal, they would split the cost.

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in recent years, the city's capital improvement program has used an estimated cost of $244 million for building a 3,000-bed jail off Lannie Road on the Northside, a $41 million pricetag for a second 500-bed jail for short-term holding of inmates somewhere in downtown, and a new Police Memorial Building for the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office headquarters at an estimated cost of $96 million.

That $381 million for those three buildings has been in place for several years. The cost of construction has gone up since then because of inflation. In addition, the jail study is examining how to build a campus-style facility on a campus with space for future expansion and services compared to the cramped high-rise facility in downtown.

Full article: https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/local/2024/02/27/jacksonville-faces-big-cost-for-new-county-jail/72729096007/
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Why does there need to be a "500-bed jail for short-term holding of inmates somewhere in downtown"?

I understand why a holding facility near the courthouse is necessary - but why must it be a 500-bed facility?

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When does this end up with the solution being build a new large campus-style jail outside of downtown and keep/renovate the existing jail /JSO property to serve as the downtown holding facility? I would not be surprised if things start heading that way.
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But ... renovating the existing JSO/Jail site for a smaller pre-trial holding facility would run counter to the desires of the people who want that land for development. Also, given the reported problems with the present jail, how much would it cost to bring the tower up to modern, humane standards?

According to an article in The Tributary, one strategy to reduce capacity pressure on the jail would be for the sheriff to adopt adult civil citation and pre-trial diversion programs - which he refuses to do.

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ICARE has spent the last year pushing Waters to introduce an adult civil citation program, which could reduce the number of people jailed.

Under such a program, adults who would otherwise be arrested on low-level, non-violent crimes would be sent to a pre-arrest diversion program. From January 2022 through June 2023, more than 6,500 people were arrested with primary charges related to not having valid driver’s licenses, according to a review of Duval County Clerk of Court data.

In 2018, the Florida Legislature adopted a new law to specifically encourage communities to adopt civil citations and stop giving arrest records to so many people. More than a dozen Florida counties — including many of the state’s most conservative counties — have started this type of program.

In 2017, Miami-Dade County issued about 8,900 civil citations preventing incarceration for crimes such as possession of drug paraphernalia and the consumption of alcohol in public, which kept people out of jail and allowed them to go through programs designed to keep people from committing the same offenses while saving taxpayer money.

State Attorney Melissa Nelson has said she supports adult civil citations, but she also said it’s up to the sheriff to decide if he wants to implement such a program. And Sheriff Waters has vehemently opposed implementing the program. During an ICARE meeting in April last year, Waters said he doesn’t “believe in decriminalization,” saying that we should hold adults to higher standards.


https://jaxtrib.org/2024/02/27/for-decades-jacksonville-ignored-its-decaying-jail-can-the-city-learn-from-past-mistakes/

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When new gets us upwards to $1 billion, concerns about costs start to fly out of the window. I get the impression the sheriff is less concerned about what people want for development and more so about what they can get for JSO. They may have different viewpoints and agendas regarding the jail (existing and future) sites.  Even now, they aren't talking about giving up the JSO administrative office portion of the site if they relocate. They are talking about retrofitting it into something else JSO related.
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When new gets us upwards to $1 billion, concerns about costs start to fly out of the window. I get the impression the sheriff is less concerned about what people want for development and more so about what they can get for JSO. They may have different viewpoints and agendas regarding the jail (existing and future) sites.  Even now, they aren't talking about giving up the JSO administrative office portion of the site if they relocate. They are talking about retrofitting it into something else JSO related.

I have to wonder if some empire building is behind some of these requests.  Like JTA with AV's, the bigger the projects are, the more money flows through the agency's hands and the more the "CEO" can demand in salary for managing a bigger budget.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2024, 11:33:53 PM by jaxlongtimer »

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But ... renovating the existing JSO/Jail site for a smaller pre-trial holding facility would run counter to the desires of the people who want that land for development. Also, given the reported problems with the present jail, how much would it cost to bring the tower up to modern, humane standards?

According to an article in The Tributary, one strategy to reduce capacity pressure on the jail would be for the sheriff to adopt adult civil citation and pre-trial diversion programs - which he refuses to do.

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ICARE has spent the last year pushing Waters to introduce an adult civil citation program, which could reduce the number of people jailed.

Under such a program, adults who would otherwise be arrested on low-level, non-violent crimes would be sent to a pre-arrest diversion program. From January 2022 through June 2023, more than 6,500 people were arrested with primary charges related to not having valid driver’s licenses, according to a review of Duval County Clerk of Court data.

In 2018, the Florida Legislature adopted a new law to specifically encourage communities to adopt civil citations and stop giving arrest records to so many people. More than a dozen Florida counties — including many of the state’s most conservative counties — have started this type of program.

In 2017, Miami-Dade County issued about 8,900 civil citations preventing incarceration for crimes such as possession of drug paraphernalia and the consumption of alcohol in public, which kept people out of jail and allowed them to go through programs designed to keep people from committing the same offenses while saving taxpayer money.

State Attorney Melissa Nelson has said she supports adult civil citations, but she also said it’s up to the sheriff to decide if he wants to implement such a program. And Sheriff Waters has vehemently opposed implementing the program. During an ICARE meeting in April last year, Waters said he doesn’t “believe in decriminalization,” saying that we should hold adults to higher standards.


https://jaxtrib.org/2024/02/27/for-decades-jacksonville-ignored-its-decaying-jail-can-the-city-learn-from-past-mistakes/

The public defender is quoted in the story saying he doesn't feel a civil citation program would make an impact on jail occupancy, unless it prevents misdemeanors and felonies from avoiding jail time.

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Will we ever see the 'study' or is that closed book?

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If you make a public records request, they'll likely give you access.
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Here you go... $1 billion and counting.  The going rate nowadays for City needs and desires.

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Final report envisions moving aging jail out of downtown Jacksonville, creating $1B, campus-style facility

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. – A city committee has filed its final report on what needs to happen to move the county jail out of downtown and build a new, $1 billion campus-style facility somewhere in Duval County.

The committee worked for seven months, but there is still a long way to go before anything is built.

It starts with the formation of a blue-ribbon committee to request proposals for the design of a new jail.

The vision is to turn an old, overcrowded and deteriorating jail downtown into a facility to support people’s behavioral and mental health concerns.

Special committee chair and councilman Michael Boylan told News4Jax he expects a campus-style facility.

“Number one, you can build it as you need it. Number two, you can isolate those with particular issues. And if one facility as compared to, one size does not fit all, and that’s really what we’re looking at with our current facility,” Boylan said.

Jacksonville Sheriff T.K. Waters said the location is still up in the air.

“We got some people that’s going to help us get a spot,” Waters said. “I think what’s most important is to decide what we want to build first, and then locate a place that will work we’re fit. Imeson [Park on the Northside] would be a good spot. Cecil [Field area] would be a good spot although, you know, depends on when, we can build a campus-style building. But there’s a couple of different spots. You know, ultimately, I think, where the current P Farm where James I. Montgomery Correctional Center sits but it floods so that’s problematic.”

The committee hopes to streamline the pre-design planning phase of construction so it doesn’t have to rely on costly consultants.

As far as the Police Memorial Building, Boylan said the process of moving JSO administrative staff to the Florida Blue building is already underway.

“What it does, it benefits us to focus the next group to take a look at the detention facility singularly and not worry about necessarily for the short term or even the long-term housing facility for the administration,” Boylan said.

The city council will likely hear plans for the jail next year.

They expect another two to three years after that before starting construction.

“The big thing for me was to get the conversation started and start working on the stock because it’s not, you know, let’s build one that happens overnight. I know it takes a while so I’m fine. As long as we’re making progress. As long we’re moving toward that goal,” Waters said.

The sheriff said a big part of moving towards the goal is getting the headquarters out of the way.

Boylan said the project will likely cost about $1 billion.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2024/05/08/final-report-envisions-moving-aging-jail-out-of-downtown-jacksonville-creating-1b-campus-style-facility/