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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2024, 11:45:49 AM »
^ My observation of these sites is that the stairwells are the first thing built (and then surrounded with the stick portions of the project) as they are concrete block.  I would think they would populate the wells with the stairs while building them so it would be surprising that they were not done upfront and would need to come back later.

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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2024, 11:58:11 AM »
^ My observation of these sites is that the stairwells are the first thing built (and then surrounded with the stick portions of the project) as they are concrete block.  I would think they would populate the wells with the stairs while building them so it would be surprising that they were not done upfront and would need to come back later.

"Prosswimmer said that since the apartment complex was under construction, there were aspects that made the fire tricky to reach, including but not limited to unfinished staircases and debris."

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/jfrd-responds-reported-downtown-commercial-building-fire-massive-presence-reported/I4QXUQX2Y5A7XDLYSKYXJOVUEM/

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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2024, 11:58:32 AM »
I don't know what happened, but CityLife you make a great point that I was also pondering. There's seemingly very little reasoning as to why the project would have the initial landscaping installed, but not the stairs? I like to say I somewhat understand construction but that one really doesn't add up to me. When we build, the stairs are always done after the rough frame is up. Obviously I'm not building 200+ unit apartment buildings, but intuitively... it just makes sense. My question is how else were they getting to all of the other levels with efficiency? Usually two elevators doesn't cut it & moreover how would the elevators be operational before the stairs?? Were some stairs done & others were not? It doesn't really add up.

Anyone that builds apartments able to say one way or another?

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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2024, 12:09:25 PM »
^ My observation of these sites is that the stairwells are the first thing built (and then surrounded with the stick portions of the project) as they are concrete block.  I would think they would populate the wells with the stairs while building them so it would be surprising that they were not done upfront and would need to come back later.

"Prosswimmer said that since the apartment complex was under construction, there were aspects that made the fire tricky to reach, including but not limited to unfinished staircases and debris."

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/jfrd-responds-reported-downtown-commercial-building-fire-massive-presence-reported/I4QXUQX2Y5A7XDLYSKYXJOVUEM/

Doesn't sound good for someone if correct that fire codes and insurers required stairs sooner than later.  Maybe they had a supply chain issue but still... if they plan to open in about 30 to 45 days, you would think that would be done long ago.

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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2024, 12:16:34 PM »
Sounds like a bunch of speculation at this point. We'll see what happens in the upcoming weeks.

Here's an article about why wood frame construction has become common. If you all think housing prices are high and affordable housing is a crisis now, imagine what they'd be if everything had to be built with concrete and steel...

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2024/01/29/wood-frame-construction-like-what-was-used-in-rise-doro-is-common-in-florida-because-of-cost-but-there-are-risks/
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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2024, 01:32:25 PM »
Sounds like a bunch of speculation at this point. We'll see what happens in the upcoming weeks.

Here's an article about why wood frame construction has become common. If you all think housing prices are high and affordable housing is a crisis now, imagine what they'd be if everything had to be built with concrete and steel...

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2024/01/29/wood-frame-construction-like-what-was-used-in-rise-doro-is-common-in-florida-because-of-cost-but-there-are-risks/

I'm not against using wood frame, it's the only practical option right now. But all building & construction code includes fire walls & more for R2 dwellings. Not being able to localize a fire is an issue, no matter the structure material. That's the real issue to be highlighted, if true, in this situation.

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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2024, 01:43:01 PM »
Build it nice, or build it twice.

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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2024, 01:52:34 PM »
Sounds like a bunch of speculation at this point. We'll see what happens in the upcoming weeks.

Here's an article about why wood frame construction has become common. If you all think housing prices are high and affordable housing is a crisis now, imagine what they'd be if everything had to be built with concrete and steel...

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2024/01/29/wood-frame-construction-like-what-was-used-in-rise-doro-is-common-in-florida-because-of-cost-but-there-are-risks/

I'm not against using wood frame, it's the only practical option right now. But all building & construction code includes fire walls & more for R2 dwellings. Not being able to localize a fire is an issue, no matter the structure material. That's the real issue to be highlighted, if true, in this situation.

This part is speculation at this point. I'm sure it will be confirmed one way or the other in the upcoming weeks.
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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2024, 02:11:49 PM »
Feel awful for Intuition and Manifest.

Sounds like it's going to be a minute before either can reopen.

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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2024, 02:51:22 PM »
Sounds like a bunch of speculation at this point. We'll see what happens in the upcoming weeks.

Here's an article about why wood frame construction has become common. If you all think housing prices are high and affordable housing is a crisis now, imagine what they'd be if everything had to be built with concrete and steel...

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2024/01/29/wood-frame-construction-like-what-was-used-in-rise-doro-is-common-in-florida-because-of-cost-but-there-are-risks/

I'm not against using wood frame, it's the only practical option right now. But all building & construction code includes fire walls & more for R2 dwellings. Not being able to localize a fire is an issue, no matter the structure material. That's the real issue to be highlighted, if true, in this situation.

This part is speculation at this point. I'm sure it will be confirmed one way or the other in the upcoming weeks.

Agreed. One other consideration is that buildings like this should have firewalls, but generally they are like 2 hour rated and such. They also compliment the fire suppression systems (which were not operational yet). The firewalls don’t hold forever-they are so a person can safely evacuate.

As the building was empty, we have no idea how long the fire was smoldering/burning lightly before it was noticed and 911 was called.

Now with all of this said….if the building isn’t structurally sound and has to come down soon, will we ever know what happened?


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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2024, 03:39:40 PM »
I think you guys believe that they were much further along than they were... It sounds like you're comparing a finished building to what they had. If you look up the permit, they haven't completed a number of their inspections.

They're required to have an hour separation between all units vertically and horizontally - they just weren't done yet. So I'm doubtful that it's a constructability issue regarding the fire rating or construction type that would have helped contain the fire. They just had an open box of wood that was ready to burn, which isn't anyone's fault.

Except security I guess.

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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2024, 07:28:13 PM »
I'm not claiming the stairs thing to be fact. I just saw it mentioned on an article and it was mentioned here. The specific language used was voids by the JFRD spokesperson. I can understand that the fire suppression system not being active is a big deal, but JFRD themselves claimed that they thought the fire was contained within 2.5 hrs of being onsite. 1 hr dividing walls add up when you have several units in every direction.

What doesn't make sense to me, is that there were supposed to be residents moving in "next week." So, was the building still "under construction" or "almost complete" because those are two very different conversations. Yes I know that these units do not all complete at once, but it's not like the main building systems are not all functional when a C.O. is granted. If the building was "almost complete" then the fact that this building burned like it did is honestly shocking. There shouldn't be a numerous amount of open voids & the voids that do remain don't have a massive cubic volume relative to the size of the space. Like JFRD claimed, the fire should have been contained in a few hours, with a partial building loss. Or, tenants were not moving in next week. Simple as that.

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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2024, 08:24:29 PM »
I'm not claiming the stairs thing to be fact. I just saw it mentioned on an article and it was mentioned here. The specific language used was voids by the JFRD spokesperson. I can understand that the fire suppression system not being active is a big deal, but JFRD themselves claimed that they thought the fire was contained within 2.5 hrs of being onsite. 1 hr dividing walls add up when you have several units in every direction.

What doesn't make sense to me, is that there were supposed to be residents moving in "next week." So, was the building still "under construction" or "almost complete" because those are two very different conversations. Yes I know that these units do not all complete at once, but it's not like the main building systems are not all functional when a C.O. is granted. If the building was "almost complete" then the fact that this building burned like it did is honestly shocking. There shouldn't be a numerous amount of open voids & the voids that do remain don't have a massive cubic volume relative to the size of the space. Like JFRD claimed, the fire should have been contained in a few hours, with a partial building loss. Or, tenants were not moving in next week. Simple as that.

Was supposed to open (at least partially) on Thursday, specifically.

No idea about why certain parts weren't further along.

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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2024, 09:35:28 PM »
Not claiming to know anything, I'm literally just confused (and a little concerned) at how it was supposed to be occupancy ready that soon like you say fsu. That's crazy close all things considered.

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Re: Rise Doro construction photos
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2024, 10:38:05 PM »
Not claiming to know anything, I'm literally just confused (and a little concerned) at how it was supposed to be occupancy ready that soon like you say fsu. That's crazy close all things considered.

Others may have mentioned occupancy; I did not.