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Creative Park Ideas, Plans, Visions
« on: July 21, 2023, 04:06:30 PM »
Lots of posts over time about Jax parks and how they are managed. 

Starting this thread to share good ideas, plans, visions, etc. found in parks around the US and world with the hope maybe some make their way to Jax one day.

To start, here is an example of something routinely encountered by parks that is creatively being made into something memorable, artful and an attraction while also bringing revenue in:

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The Linden Oak Was Spared During Metro Construction. Now It Will Be Chainsaw Art

It was the largest white oak in Montgomery County. For some 300 years, it stood witness through the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, and nearly met its demise during construction of Metro in the 1970s. It was known as the “Linden Oak” and also the “Two Million Dollar Tree” — reportedly the amount it cost Metro to reroute the Red Line to avoid it.

The tree, which died last year, was cut down this week. The wood will soon get a new life, as a local chainsaw artist turns it into a sculpture. Lumber from the historic tree will also be available for sale to the public later this year.....

....“We were just going to leave it here because it’s not in a place where it’s around the public or other amenities, so it wasn’t a high hazard to people,” says Colter Burkes, senior urban forester with Montgomery Parks.

But then, some nearby residents suggested a different idea — why not salvage the wood?

Burkes says now that the tree has been cut down, the logs will be evaluated, milled, and the lumber will be offered to the public for sale. Montgomery Parks already does this with other dead trees it removes on park property.

“It’ll be neat that the tree can kind of live on in people’s projects or their house,” Burkes says.

The trunk of the tree, however, won’t be up for sale: Montgomery Parks hired local chainsaw artist Colin Vale to create a sculpture from the wood....

https://dcist.com/story/23/07/19/oak-tree-died-becomes-chainsaw-sculpture-montgomery-county-parks/

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Re: Creative Park Ideas, Plans, Visions
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2023, 06:03:06 PM »
Lots of posts over time about Jax parks and how they are managed. 

Starting this thread to share good ideas, plans, visions, etc. found in parks around the US and world with the hope maybe some make their way to Jax one day.

To start, here is an example of something routinely encountered by parks that is creatively being made into something memorable, artful and an attraction while also bringing revenue in:

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The Linden Oak Was Spared During Metro Construction. Now It Will Be Chainsaw Art

It was the largest white oak in Montgomery County. For some 300 years, it stood witness through the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, and nearly met its demise during construction of Metro in the 1970s. It was known as the “Linden Oak” and also the “Two Million Dollar Tree” — reportedly the amount it cost Metro to reroute the Red Line to avoid it.

The tree, which died last year, was cut down this week. The wood will soon get a new life, as a local chainsaw artist turns it into a sculpture. Lumber from the historic tree will also be available for sale to the public later this year.....

....“We were just going to leave it here because it’s not in a place where it’s around the public or other amenities, so it wasn’t a high hazard to people,” says Colter Burkes, senior urban forester with Montgomery Parks.

But then, some nearby residents suggested a different idea — why not salvage the wood?

Burkes says now that the tree has been cut down, the logs will be evaluated, milled, and the lumber will be offered to the public for sale. Montgomery Parks already does this with other dead trees it removes on park property.

“It’ll be neat that the tree can kind of live on in people’s projects or their house,” Burkes says.

The trunk of the tree, however, won’t be up for sale: Montgomery Parks hired local chainsaw artist Colin Vale to create a sculpture from the wood....

https://dcist.com/story/23/07/19/oak-tree-died-becomes-chainsaw-sculpture-montgomery-county-parks/

What kind of parks are missing from Jacksonville?  Is it a question of accessibility? Management?  Is the city looking to develop an outdoor space that will be an economic boon and be a regional/national/international draw?


I believe finding ideas and inspiration is the easy part.  Changing mindsets and illustrating the value of open spaces is the challenge.
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Re: Creative Park Ideas, Plans, Visions
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2023, 06:54:25 PM »
Jax has some great natural, passive parks. In downtown in particular, the problem is more around a lack of investment and maintenance. However, it appears that the Deegan administration will invest in several public spaces over the next few years.
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Re: Creative Park Ideas, Plans, Visions
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2023, 01:16:07 PM »
This is less about parks and more about trails (like the Emerald Trail) but this is a great article about leveraging urban trails to support economic development though upzoning.

https://southernurbanism.org/blog/american-tobacco-trail-southern-cities-should-upzone-around-greenways
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Re: Creative Park Ideas, Plans, Visions
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2023, 01:48:50 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tycWtaejktA

CNBC did a promo on Atlanta's urban beltway on this exact topic. It's a good idea.

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Re: Creative Park Ideas, Plans, Visions
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2023, 10:51:15 AM »
I suggest all Jaxson readers read the below article from Mark Woods where mayors of 3 cities plus the former CEO of Proctor & Gamble came to Jax to tell us how much public spaces matter, especially on waterfronts.  Hard to argue with success.

[I don't normally reproduce full articles from behind paywalls but this has been out now for over a week and I believe its points are so important to share that I am posting all of it now.]
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https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/columns/mark-woods/2023/10/11/former-procter-gamble-ceo-talks-cincinnati-sarasota-jacksonville/71112997007/

Mark Woods: From renderings to reality, former Procter & Gamble CEO talks Great Cities

For the first three Great Cities Symposiums, Scenic Jacksonville brought former mayors to town to talk about what they accomplished in their cities — or perhaps more importantly, how they accomplished it.

As Michael Kirwan, Scenic Jacksonville board president, said after thanking the hundreds who filled the Garden Club of Jacksonville — adding that anyone who had attended all four symposiums probably also deserved a certificate for urban planning — the three former mayors each emphasized different keys to their success.

Joe Riley, former mayor of Charleston, stressed that how things look — the little details — matters. Ron Littlefield, former mayor of Chattanooga, stressed the importance of focusing on riverfronts, and ensuring they are open for the entire community. Bob Buckhorn, former mayor of Tampa, stressed that such public spaces should be activated with quality programs.

Worth noting: Donna Deegan is one of those who attended those previous symposiums and was there for this one, this time as mayor, introducing the latest speaker and recalling meeting Buckhorn a year ago.

“I’ve really had him on speed dial,” she said. “I find the relationship that was built from that evening has really helped me … aside from the fact that he has stolen my daughter who lives in Tampa now, and I have made it a priority that I'm going to get her back.”

This year’s featured speaker came from a different world, with a different perspective, from the former mayors: A.G. Lafley is the former CEO of Procter & Gamble.

While in Cincinnati — Procter & Gamble’s world headquarters since 1837 — Lafley helped lead the revitalization of downtown Cincinnati, as a chair of the Cincinnati Center City Development (3CDC). When he moved to Sarasota, he helped found the Bay Park Conservancy, which is creating a 53-acre park.

Cincinnati and Sarasota obviously are quite different cities, each with different challenges. And neither is the same as Jacksonville. But I’ve been to both cities before these projects — I’ve lived about an hour away from Cincinnati and Sarasota — and I look at what they’ve done, and listen to Lafley talk about how they did it, with a mix of envy and hope.

A few of the takeaways from his talk:

— Urban redevelopment and park development, he said, aren’t simply a matter of “if you build it, they will come.”

“They are … after you build it, if it's well designed and well located and if you activate it and program it, they will give it a look,” he said. “And if you continue to keep it clean, safe and secure … and you continue to activate it and program it, they will give it another look. And after they've given a few looks and tried it a few times, and as they have great experiences, then they will come.”

When he said this, it brought to mind how we’ve too often treated the riverfront in the past.

Take Met Park (as just one example). Once upon a time, it was a thriving gathering place, home of the Jazz Festival and much more. But in recent years it reached the point that some in City Hall viewed it as a “failed park.”

The park itself didn’t fail. The city failed it. I’m hopeful that with the Four Seasons going up next to it, with a commitment to help sustain the park, it will thrive again — and that we’ll continue not only to build a linear park on both sides of the river, but give people reasons to come to it.

— A downtown transformation isn’t going to happen all at once. But it does require all kinds of groups coming together.

In Cincinnati, Lafley said, city government and the business community got together and said, “We've got to do something now. … We're going to set aside all of the day-to-day stuff, all the partisan politics, all of this other stuff that gets in the way. We're going to start with a project.”

For them, it was Fountain Square — the symbolic center of Cincinnati since the 1800s.

“We said we're going to start from the center of the city, and we're going to work our way out,” he said. “And guess what, it's not going to get done in three or five years. It's going to take decades.”

This echoes a message that Buckhorn gave when talking about Tampa. He said that while he’s getting much of the credit for the transformation of his city’s downtown and riverfront, it really was “six mayors and 40 years in the making.”

— Don’t sacrifice the public spaces. Fight for them.

In Sarasota, Lafley said they “fought off all residential and commercial development plans” for the 53-acre site. Not that he’s against any of this, just that it’s important to figure out what is the “first and best use” for a particular site and to not end up canabalizing a park in order to add a development.

We have that temptation playing out here — for instance, the former Landing site is just 7 acres, and yet we might try to squeeze a 40-story tower into a corner of that space.

— Pay to do it sustainably now. Or expect future generations to pay much more for it later.

“I’m a big believer in sustainability,” Lafley said. “It’s expensive to go back and fix it. In Cincinnati, we had to fix a lot of things. In Sarasota, we had to fix a lot of things.”

In Jacksonville, we’ve have had to fix a lot of things. And this continues to be a recurring issue, with contamination from the past factoring into all kinds of modern-day plans, from a gym at a charter school to the Shipyards property.

— Money isn’t everything. Or at least it’s not the only thing.

It is a part of the equation. But each of the Great Cities Symposium speakers has emphasized the significance of long-term vision, partnerships and, perhaps most of all, a combination of patience and persistence.

“This all begins with commitment, real commitment to your community, real commitment to your city,” Lafley said. “These are organic. They either grow and develop and get better and the quality of life improves or they don't. And that's just the reality.”

Lafley noted that in Sarasota, maintaining consistency was a challenge. If we think we have turnover in leadership and priorities in Jacksonville, imagine having city commissioners elected every two years and a mayor, largely in a symbolic position, that changes every year. To top that off, there was a comprehensive plan that Lafley described as “really just a collection of individual projects and the individual projects change every year.”

So the coalition created for Bay Park decided what principles should guide them — “one park for all,” he said, was an incredibly important piece to that — and then created a master plan.

“Our master plans look a lot like our site plans,” he said. “And our site plans look a lot like what we built.”

One of the biggest reactions of the night came when Lafley put up two images — one a rendering, the other a photo of people at the actual site.

“That’s what we said we would do,” he said, the crowd breaking into applause when he flipped to the second slide. “This is what we did.”

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Re: Creative Park Ideas, Plans, Visions
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2023, 11:33:34 AM »
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“They are … after you build it, if it's well designed and well located and if you activate it and program it, they will give it a look,” he said. “And if you continue to keep it clean, safe and secure … and you continue to activate it and program it, they will give it another look. And after they've given a few looks and tried it a few times, and as they have great experiences, then they will come.”

This is what Jacksonville hasn't done in the past and which it will NOT be able to do on the already stretched, less than shoestring parks & recreation budget that it currently has.

I have seen very nice and successful parks in other cities do very well for years and then neglect sets in and they go to pot. Then it takes millions more to bring them back after they have already been forgotten about by the public. 
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Re: Creative Park Ideas, Plans, Visions
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2024, 10:42:37 PM »
Count on NYC to take the lead on creative.  As much as NYC already has, they never rest on their laurels, never stop moving forward.  Jax can't even get out of the starting gate.
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New York City is one step closer to getting its long-awaited floating East River pool

For nearly a decade and a half, New Yorkers have awaited the arrival of a self-filtering, cross-shaped pool floating in the city’s East River after the proposal was partially crowdfunded and eventually approved by the city.

Now the futuristic design has an official home. Last week, Governor Kathy Hochul and Mayor Eric Adams announced that the summertime facility, called + POOL, will be built at Pier 35, near Manhattan’s Lower East Side — though swimmers may need to wait until summer 2026 for opening day.

The pool’s filtration system, which is expected to clean more than a million gallons of river water daily without the use of chemicals or additives, per a project press release, will undergo two rounds of testing. The first will begin this month on a floating barge in the waters close to Pier 35; next year, a portion of the open-air pool will be built to carry out the final tests.

This past January, Governor Hochul announced a major breakthrough for the project by way of $16 million in joint city and state funding, part of a statewide $150 million initiative called NY SWIMS. Mayor Adams said in a press statement that + POOL will help expand “equitable access to swimming for all New Yorkers, especially our children.”...

....Originally a collaboration between four designers from creative studio PlayLab and the now-defunct firm Family, + POOL was conceived as an ambitious and eye-catching way to open the city’s waterways for public use. Once built, the 9,000-square-foot cross-shaped pool will be able to accommodate up to 300 swimmers at a time and can be divided into four sections for activities such as children’s swimming, lounging, laps and sports. The design can also be configured lengthwise to offer Olympic-sized lanes, or the four “arms” of the cross can be connected into a single large pool.

Layers of “filtration membranes” will not only make the water safe for swimming but will clean the surrounding river, too, according to Friends of + POOL, the nonprofit organization that the designers co-founded in 2015 as they expanded their team and appointed new board members....





https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/15/style/new-york-city-plus-pool-location/index.html

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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2024, 10:50:27 PM »
Count on NYC to take the lead on creative.  As much as NYC already has, they never rest on their laurels, never stop moving forward.  Jax can't even get out of the starting gate.
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New York City is one step closer to getting its long-awaited floating East River pool

For nearly a decade and a half, New Yorkers have awaited the arrival of a self-filtering, cross-shaped pool floating in the city’s East River after the proposal was partially crowdfunded and eventually approved by the city.

Now the futuristic design has an official home. Last week, Governor Kathy Hochul and Mayor Eric Adams announced that the summertime facility, called + POOL, will be built at Pier 35, near Manhattan’s Lower East Side — though swimmers may need to wait until summer 2026 for opening day.

The pool’s filtration system, which is expected to clean more than a million gallons of river water daily without the use of chemicals or additives, per a project press release, will undergo two rounds of testing. The first will begin this month on a floating barge in the waters close to Pier 35; next year, a portion of the open-air pool will be built to carry out the final tests.

This past January, Governor Hochul announced a major breakthrough for the project by way of $16 million in joint city and state funding, part of a statewide $150 million initiative called NY SWIMS. Mayor Adams said in a press statement that + POOL will help expand “equitable access to swimming for all New Yorkers, especially our children.”...

....Originally a collaboration between four designers from creative studio PlayLab and the now-defunct firm Family, + POOL was conceived as an ambitious and eye-catching way to open the city’s waterways for public use. Once built, the 9,000-square-foot cross-shaped pool will be able to accommodate up to 300 swimmers at a time and can be divided into four sections for activities such as children’s swimming, lounging, laps and sports. The design can also be configured lengthwise to offer Olympic-sized lanes, or the four “arms” of the cross can be connected into a single large pool.

Layers of “filtration membranes” will not only make the water safe for swimming but will clean the surrounding river, too, according to Friends of + POOL, the nonprofit organization that the designers co-founded in 2015 as they expanded their team and appointed new board members....





https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/15/style/new-york-city-plus-pool-location/index.html

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Re: Creative Park Ideas, Plans, Visions
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2024, 10:41:42 AM »
Count on NYC to take the lead on creative.  As much as NYC already has, they never rest on their laurels, never stop moving forward.  Jax can't even get out of the starting gate.
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For nearly a decade and a half, New Yorkers have awaited the arrival of... after the proposal was partially crowdfunded and eventually approved by the city.

 the 9,000-square-foot cross-shaped pool will be able to accommodate up to 300 swimmers at a time

After a decade of waiting, this fails to inspire.  NYC is increasingly affected by hurricanes and their accompanying storm surges, so I hope that this is very strongly anchored to something while also being able to rise and fall with the water level.  I don't know why Jacksonville needs a gimmick like this given our over abundance of city owned riverfront property, but good for New York.  I can see some group of blue hairs saying this is what Jax needs to turn downtown around.  Riverfloat Parks Now is filing their paperwork as we speak.

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Re: Creative Park Ideas, Plans, Visions
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2024, 06:03:37 PM »
After a decade of waiting, this fails to inspire.  NYC is increasingly affected by hurricanes and their accompanying storm surges, so I hope that this is very strongly anchored to something while also being able to rise and fall with the water level.  I don't know why Jacksonville needs a gimmick like this given our over abundance of city owned riverfront property, but good for New York.  I can see some group of blue hairs saying this is what Jax needs to turn downtown around.  Riverfloat Parks Now is filing their paperwork as we speak.

Our over abundance of riverfront property?  I doubt many Jax citizens would agree with that.  Aside from discussing Downtown, public access to the miles of St. Johns riverfront anywhere else in this county is trivial to non-existent for our population and geographic size. 

Not sure why anyone would be against parks so maybe you could tell me why?  Most developed areas wish they had more parks, never less.

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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2024, 05:04:30 PM »
Nobody here is against parks.  Just pointing out that COJ owns 110 acres of waterfront land in downtown and another 11 acres of the southbank is owned by JEA and the school district.  We can oooh and ahhh over a pool in the river, but lets work on the low hanging fruit first. 

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Re: Creative Park Ideas, Plans, Visions
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2024, 11:12:04 AM »
Nobody here is against parks.  Just pointing out that COJ owns 110 acres of waterfront land in downtown and another 11 acres of the southbank is owned by JEA and the school district.  We can oooh and ahhh over a pool in the river, but lets work on the low hanging fruit first.

FYI, it appears your numbers may need to be updated.  On the Southbank, JEA's land is now what has been called the District, a development.  I would venture to say when you subtract the Four Seasons and sites the City is holding out for developers on the riverfront (old courthouse, city hall, Berkman and part of the landing) it may be far less than 110 acres on the Northbank. 

Even with all that, the amount of acreage, whatever it is, is much less than other cities of our size, or so, strive to put aside for waterfront access.  And, I was responding to your general comment about access to the river... pretty much the rest of the City has very little given its population and geographic size.  It only will get worse if our City continues on its population growth track in the coming years.  We are being way too short-sighted but, hey, we can't master plan Downtown, so no surprise, we can't plan much else either.

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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2024, 11:04:34 PM »
How about ripping out urban interstates that divided viable neighborhoods and replacing them with parks, greenspaces, other public spaces and local streetscapes?
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Highway that divided Syracuse decades ago is set to be demolished, reconnecting a neighborhood

When Interstate 81 was built in the 1960s, it sliced right through Syracuse's Pioneer Homes — one of the nation's oldest public housing communities, which had been built some three decades earlier. But in a few years, the government is set to level a mile and a half of the highway and reconnect a neighborhood.

Bishop Bernard Alex's church is just a few miles from Syracuse, where he grew up. He says the highway stretch of I-81 sits over where people from his hometown used to plant gardens.

"You took away a thriving, vibrant community," he said "You took away the hope and the space of a people."

Alex said he believes the highway's construction in New York state was a deliberate attempt to drive certain people out of the area. 

To this day, the highway casts a massive shadow, separating Pioneer Homes from White and affluent neighborhoods, hospitals and schools.

A CBS News review of federal records found communities that sit in the shadows of major highways suffer higher pollution rates. The people have higher asthma rates and the income levels and property values are lower.

Syracuse is one of more than 130 communities nationwide that shared $3 billion in federal awards this year to reconnect neighborhoods segregated by highway planners in the 1900s. From Portland, Oregon to Philadelphia, cities are repurposing stretches of expressways with parks and green space planted over the roadways, a process known as capping.

Syracuse Mayor Ben Walsh said his city's project is among the most ambitious, calling the soon-to-be-demolished stretch of I-81 "a scar that goes through the heart of our city."

At a cost of more than $2 billion, I-81 is being rerouted around Syracuse. The current stretch will then be demolished and replaced with a pedestrian-friendly grid of surface streets with shops, stop signs and potentially new life for Pioneer Homes.

"We can't undo the wrongs of the past," Walsh said. "But we can try to get it right this time around. We have an opportunity to knit back the fabric of our cities and to bring people together."

Alex hopes the demolition will prompt people to move back to the neighborhoods near Pioneer Homes

But in other traffic-choked cities across the country, highway expansion goes on. Like in North Charleston, South Carolina, where Interstate 526, which runs through many mostly Black neighborhoods, is set to be widened.

North Charleston Mayor Reggie Burgess said the expansion is "unavoidable."

Burgess said dozens of homeowners will need to be relocated, but the state is offering affected residents housing assistance, employment help and college grants

"Of course, we don't want to displace people. But when we have to actually improve the infrastructure, sometimes we have to make decisions that are not accepted, but I think that people understand it," he said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/syracuse-i-81-demolition-pioneer-homes/


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