Author Topic: Jaguars’ stadium, sports district could cost City of Jacksonville more than $1B  (Read 48894 times)

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I'm interested to learn more about the potential of a community benefits agreement for the Eastside and plans for equitable economic development opportunities north of the expressway.

And for the love of God, take that barbell development nonsense out back and kill it for good. There's a good amount of development happening in the core of the Northbank now. It's not reliant on what takes place in the Eastside (i.e. Sports District). Nevertheless, no one is really going to complain about better using underutilized surface parking lots around the stadium. Hopefully, COJ sells the land around the stadium, so that the development ends up on the tax rolls.

As soon as property values hit near Springfield levels (aka new construction is profitable) the Eastside should be able to revitalize fairly quickly given the of it size and how it is platted. Interesting to see how that is handled of course given the significant % of renters living here.

That last part I couldn't agree more. Didn't realize how much land COJ has even behind the JAGS stadium too. This is probably the time to let that go.. there is also a block size assemblage for sale one block from the JAGS stadium right now.. could be a DORO part 2. Lots of good RE activity going on here.. need to make sure locals aren't taken advantage of and displaced.

New residential construction has been happening on the Eastside for several years now.

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I'm interested to learn more about the potential of a community benefits agreement for the Eastside and plans for equitable economic development opportunities north of the expressway.

And for the love of God, take that barbell development nonsense out back and kill it for good. There's a good amount of development happening in the core of the Northbank now. It's not reliant on what takes place in the Eastside (i.e. Sports District). Nevertheless, no one is really going to complain about better using underutilized surface parking lots around the stadium. Hopefully, COJ sells the land around the stadium, so that the development ends up on the tax rolls.

As soon as property values hit near Springfield levels (aka new construction is profitable) the Eastside should be able to revitalize fairly quickly given the of it size and how it is platted. Interesting to see how that is handled of course given the significant % of renters living here.

That last part I couldn't agree more. Didn't realize how much land COJ has even behind the JAGS stadium too. This is probably the time to let that go.. there is also a block size assemblage for sale one block from the JAGS stadium right now.. could be a DORO part 2. Lots of good RE activity going on here.. need to make sure locals aren't taken advantage of and displaced.

New residential construction has been happening on the Eastside for several years now.

My industry doesn't compare public-private partnerships to private enterprise. Just like the projects DT that have been going on for "decades."

Please tell me how you build new construction SFH's on the Eastside for profit? I'd love to hear.

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The New Stadium video (couldn't figure out how to embed the vid)

https://youtu.be/h556-OxMSwA

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^There's quite a few being built now. So much that we're trying to get a zoning overlay in place to better guide construction so that they won't destroy the sense of place and walkable fabric of the neighborhood.
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The New Stadium video (couldn't figure out how to embed the vid)

https://youtu.be/h556-OxMSwA

I'm publishing an article on this now that will include the video.
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The renderings sure look great!  But we all know how commonplace "Value Engineering" is in Jacksonville...  We almost never end up with anything close to the original proposal.

I have to say that I'm impressed with the scale of the overall plans for the district, as well as the look of the stadium.  WOW!!

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A First Look at the Stadium of the Future



A look at recently released plans for the stadium of the future for the Jacksonville Jaguars by 1st Downtown Jacksonville.

Read More: https://www.thejaxsonmag.com/article/a-first-look-at-the-stadium-of-the-future/
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^There's quite a few being built now. So much that we're trying to get a zoning overlay in place to better guide construction so that they won't destroy the sense of place and walkable fabric of the neighborhood.

They are either LISC or another state sponsored entity.

The only man in town that could do it is the owner of American Classic Homes. There have been 5 homes sold there in the last 5 years. The only true new construction homes have been built by him. I guarantee every single person in here can't replicate his costs. The facts he's only done 2-3 over the years demonstrates the lack of viable economics.. currently. That can change here soon.

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^There's quite a few being built now. So much that we're trying to get a zoning overlay in place to better guide construction so that they won't destroy the sense of place and walkable fabric of the neighborhood.

An Eastside overlay is needed.

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Beautiful design, solves the shade problem, built with resiliency in mind.

Sign me up.

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Initial thoughts
1. oooh shiny outside, kinda like the Chicago Bean (first VE victim)
2. are the north end zone pools gone?
3. "ground level" suites: which actually look to be below ground level - pay extra to see the backs of the players on (by) the benches?

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I haven’t seen a rendering with a swooping wave like structure that has made it past the original renderings. This reminds me of the Mosh 2.0 and the daily’s place renderings that looked amazing but don’t get build. I’m also expecting it with the American lions building.

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I'm more interested in the development of the surrounding district and the thought of UF being on APR.
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I think a more realistic approach for the reflective cladding would be a translucent material similar to what was placed on top of Daily's place. They could still incorporate the custom lighting and color-match the exterior of the stadium to the event being hosted, and it will integrate with Daily's. It will be a lot less impressive, but these renderings are not very realistic. We're in a world where we had to whack some simple curving balconies off of the 4 Seasons office building development, so color me very skeptical.

I have to agree with lakelander; I was hoping to see something about the surrounding development in this announcement.

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Initial thoughts
1. oooh shiny outside, kinda like the Chicago Bean (first VE victim)
2. are the north end zone pools gone?
3. "ground level" suites: which actually look to be below ground level - pay extra to see the backs of the players on (by) the benches?
1. We'll see.
2. Pools are still there if you look at the renderings.  They are just more integrated into seating areas in the north end zone now.
3. Ground level suites are very common nowadays.  Most new stadiums have a ground level club or suite area.  Look at SoFi.