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Charles Hunter

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Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« on: March 07, 2022, 05:00:39 PM »
Granted, not all of the project is in Springfield, but about 40% is south of MLK. The project runs along Main Street from 12th Street to Winona Drive, about a mile.

From ActionNews - https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/road-improvements-jacksonvilles-northside-eliminate-dozens-on-street-parking-spots/S5FKBARHTRH3PJ4QJBPQYLT2JI/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR2pEDEdRGZfdhZFzPsZqBC-H-bZE9aIH-vlS3aihx3ABOAYfpyUTngfa7Q
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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — Business owners on Jacksonville’s Northside worry that road improvements on North Main Street could hurt business.

The Florida Department of Transportation wants to construct new sections of media [sic, "median"] and turn lanes, eliminating two dozen on-street parking spots.

“My customers need parking space, I need parking space,” Shantel Jones said. She moved Windows of Heaven Income Tax Inc. to North Main less than a year ago partly because of plentiful parking in the area and worries FDOT’s project will do more harm than good.

“That will probably hinder our business a little bit without any parking space,” she told Action News Jax.

According to FDOT, the changes will enhance traffic flow and improve safety. If adopted, the changes would be included as part of the Main Street resurfacing project.

FDOT will hold a public information meeting at their Urban Office this Thursday, March 10 at the Urban Office on Edison Avenue. It will be a hybrid meeting, with the link to the virtual part: To register for the meeting, go to https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/7288147330373958670

Currently, the link that promises "project information" hits a 404 wall: www.FDOT.gov/VPH

About all they share (until they fix that link) about the project is:
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The proposed improvements include the construction of new sections of median and turn lanes from 12th Street to Winona Drive along Main Street (State Road 5). To accommodate the proposed 5-lane typical section and to comply with current design standards, 24 of the 40 existing on-street parking spaces will be removed. These proposed changes will enhance traffic flow, improve safety, and reduce rear-end collisions.

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Re: Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2022, 05:29:56 PM »
Isn't the AADT of Main below 20,000 south of MLK? If so, a lane diet would preserve parallel parking, create space for bike lanes and enhance multimedia safety. It seems some community engagement would be beneficial before any proposal that changes the typical is considered seriously.
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Re: Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2022, 05:56:27 PM »
Looked it up. It's 11,800. For comparison's sake, the AADT of 8th Street through Springfield is 12,500. There aren't many people out there who would claim that 8th should be widened to 4 lanes. Using the same logic, we'd survive just fine if Main were not 4 lanes.
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Re: Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2022, 07:28:43 PM »
As part of this resurfacing project from 1st-12th in the Springfield Historic District, we'll see some medians removed to create northbound left hand turn lanes, handicapped parking, improved pedestrian crossing infrastructure, and wider on-street parking lanes/narrower driving lanes.
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Re: Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2022, 07:57:05 PM »
I wonder why Springfield's proposed typical can't work for north of 12th? The density and walkability is the same in New Springfield and Brentwood. This could be a good opportunity to better tie these commercial districts together. Similar to what they were when Main Street was a streetcar line.
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Re: Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2022, 08:37:51 PM »
I wonder why Springfield's proposed typical can't work for north of 12th? The density and walkability is the same in New Springfield and Brentwood. This could be a good opportunity to better tie these commercial districts together. Similar to what they were when Main Street was a streetcar line.

I'd imagine it could. Squeaky wheels get greased. Whatever happened to MetroNorth CDC?

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Re: Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2022, 10:03:20 PM »
Good question. Access to information is power. Historically excluded communities typically don't have the organizing or political influence or access to information to be effective squeaky wheels. That's a systemic challenge all our cities and agencies must strive to overcome when working in such communities under the pretense of being inclusive.
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Re: Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2022, 10:05:30 PM »
Show up at the FDOT meeting Thursday evening, and write letters.
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Persons wishing to submit written statements or other exhibits in place of or in addition to oral statements may do so at the meeting or by sending them to FDOT Project Manager Richard Prindiville at Richard.Prindiville@dot.state.fl.us or via traditional mail to 2198 Edison Avenue, Jacksonville, Florida 32204. Exhibits or statements postmarked on or before March 20, 2022 will become part of the public record.

Project website: https://nflroads.com/ProjectDetails.aspx?p=5449

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Re: Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2022, 02:14:13 PM »
I have learned a little more about the project, first, they have put project graphics on the project page.  https://nflroads.com/ProjectDetails.aspx?p=5449

Also, this is an Access Management Public Meeting for the 12th Street to Winona Drive, a section of a bigger project: Resurfacing of Main Street from State Street to the Trout River Bridge (FIN 445417-1). This project would start in the summer of 2023.

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Re: Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2022, 03:36:34 PM »
I've done a little digging into FDOT's Traffic Count and Level of Service pages (exciting stuff!).

Between 12th and Winona, daily traffic (AADT) ranges from 18,200 (just south of 27th) to 11,800 (just north of 14th), which results in (respectively) Level of Service (LOS) grades "C". 

In the Springfield section of the larger project, AADT ranges from 9,300 (north of State Street) to 12,100 (just south of 10th), also giving LOS "C"

If you reduce the entire section (State to Winona) to one lane in each direction with medians and left-turn lanes at the intersections with traffic signals, the LOS would be "C" except for the part from 26th Street and north, which would be "F".  If the section north 26th remained 4 lanes, only 3 of the 14 parking spaces would be lost.

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Re: Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2022, 07:16:56 PM »
If there isn't any significant evidence that Main St "is more dangerous without a turning lane" then I would absolutely leave it the way it is. DOT "standardizing" for the sake of it shouldn't be any excuse for business owners potentially losing customers. Main St is far from being the only four lane street in Jax (and other cities) without a turning lane.

If they just have to add the dumb turning lane "to bring the street up to code, AKA overreaching bureaucracy" then I would go road diet. A five lane Main St (eliminating parking) would be absolutely disastrous. 

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Re: Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2022, 08:41:52 AM »
I tend to agree with I-10 generally on this one. 5-lanes isn't necessary south of MLK. Given most of the businesses along Main don't have large areas of off-street parking, as much parallel parking as possible should most likely be preserved. As this area continues to revitalize, the parallel parking will become more important to the surrounding land uses than having two extra travel lanes for cars and trucks. I hope  that there will be willingness to make significant changes if the surrounding community desires to go that route.
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Re: Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2023, 04:02:32 PM »
FDOT has announced that the $21 million resurfacing of Main Street will begin this week.



Seems worth noting that this includes portions of what JTA has proposed for expansion of the U2C to UF Health, but doesn't appear to account for that.
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Re: Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2023, 10:21:58 PM »
^That's so conceptual and far out. A resurfacing can't wait on a make believe project like the U2C and timeline that doesn't exist.
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Re: Main Street resurfacing may remove on-street parking
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2023, 01:03:14 PM »
Reading through the previous replies.. man, Jacksonville really loves to repeat its past failures, doesn't it?