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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #390 on: March 18, 2024, 03:26:41 PM »
Right out of the Kremlin’s Crimea/Ukraine invasion provocation handbook and surprising virtually no one...


Where can I download the Kremlin's Invasion Handbook? Sounds like a made-up term from a US propaganda outlet.

The ISW is a Washington, DC think tank. I would take it with a grain of salt.

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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #391 on: March 18, 2024, 05:01:33 PM »
Right out of the Kremlin’s Crimea/Ukraine invasion provocation handbook and surprising virtually no one...


Where can I download the Kremlin's Invasion Handbook? Sounds like a made-up term from a US propaganda outlet.

The ISW is a Washington, DC think tank. I would take it with a grain of salt.
It is my term... Russia is following the exact scenario as Crimea and Ukraine... ISW uses open sources that are all attributable in every single article... try reading for yourself... I am quite certain you will learn something.
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #392 on: March 21, 2024, 11:57:57 AM »
Oh stop the budgetary drama… I knew the whole border thing was a red herring… Biden could close the border completely and you would still say we don’t have any money for Ukraine. Trump added nearly 10 trillion to the deficit himself… as soon as he could spend your money on bs he did then and he will again heaven forbid.
You still really have not ever answered why immediately following the Russia invasion… Finland and Sweden immediately asked to join NATO after decades of neutrality… you have never really answered why after being granted independence from the Soviet Union the Baltic states and Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, etc begged to join NATO…

So please… answer …

It's an easy one. They see the West continuing to do everything possible to have an all-out hot war with Russia and tensions are reaching levels not seen sense the Cuban Missile Crisis (Oh hey, remember how pissed we got when we found out a foreign adversary was putting weapons on our doorstep? That's what NATO has done with Russia but we can't talk about that) They align more with the West than they do with Russia. Pretty simple.

And I've said it before, I'm not a fan of Trump because he never veto'd a single spending bill while in office. His cabinet picks were littered with people actual conservatives despise (John Bolton as the primary example). He also continued to harass Jerome Powell to keep interest rates near zero which also played a major factor into our current inflationary environment. Your assumption that if you aren't pro war with Russia, then you're automatically a Trump stooge is lazy at best and a huge reason why people can't even have conversations these days. This world isn't binary, brochacho.

And you still haven't answered or responded to my main point. After literally decades of being lied to about foreign wars from Washington, in what rational world should we believe them today?  What's Russia's country body count vs the US since the Cold War ended? Answer those questions and I'll rest my case to a cold case of Coors Banquet for the weekend. Cheers! :)   
Your strawman about Trump stooges and binary worlds  is laughable brochacho... You can also add your hilarious "straight from the Kremlin " baloney about the West trying to provoke a war...  I  have posted multiple sources from all over the world supporting my views and most reasonable people while you have documented... well... nothing.  Literally. Show your work... document your assertions... I and others are very curious where you are getting your propa... er ... information from. Quotes maybe? With links even?

Cmon Brochacho... the world wants to know... :)

LOL. You literally posted an article describing the CIA's involvement of the 2014 coup in Ukraine which instituted a new governing body that was far more favorable to America's interests in that region. How else could one interpret that other than a clear adversarial maneuver by the US towards Russia? But hey, you posted articles from other countries that agree with your point of view! Congrats brotatochip! I guess since 30 other countries joined the US in blowing Iraq half to hell then it most certainly was the right call based on your logic. But to tickle your fancy, here are a couple brief articles detailing why what's happening in Ukraine cannot be blamed solely on Russia which is entirely my point.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/washington-helped-trigger-ukraine-war      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine

If there's anything in there you don't think is actually true, then let it be known. But if you're so convinced Russia is such a threat beyond Ukraine (even though they're 2 years into this war with nothing to plant their flag on while incurring hundreds of thousands of casualties) then why don't you strap on some boots, put on a helmet and go join in on the front lines to save the world?

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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #393 on: March 21, 2024, 02:19:56 PM »
Oh stop the budgetary drama… I knew the whole border thing was a red herring… Biden could close the border completely and you would still say we don’t have any money for Ukraine. Trump added nearly 10 trillion to the deficit himself… as soon as he could spend your money on bs he did then and he will again heaven forbid.
You still really have not ever answered why immediately following the Russia invasion… Finland and Sweden immediately asked to join NATO after decades of neutrality… you have never really answered why after being granted independence from the Soviet Union the Baltic states and Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, etc begged to join NATO…

So please… answer …

It's an easy one. They see the West continuing to do everything possible to have an all-out hot war with Russia and tensions are reaching levels not seen sense the Cuban Missile Crisis (Oh hey, remember how pissed we got when we found out a foreign adversary was putting weapons on our doorstep? That's what NATO has done with Russia but we can't talk about that) They align more with the West than they do with Russia. Pretty simple.

And I've said it before, I'm not a fan of Trump because he never veto'd a single spending bill while in office. His cabinet picks were littered with people actual conservatives despise (John Bolton as the primary example). He also continued to harass Jerome Powell to keep interest rates near zero which also played a major factor into our current inflationary environment. Your assumption that if you aren't pro war with Russia, then you're automatically a Trump stooge is lazy at best and a huge reason why people can't even have conversations these days. This world isn't binary, brochacho.

And you still haven't answered or responded to my main point. After literally decades of being lied to about foreign wars from Washington, in what rational world should we believe them today?  What's Russia's country body count vs the US since the Cold War ended? Answer those questions and I'll rest my case to a cold case of Coors Banquet for the weekend. Cheers! :)   
Your strawman about Trump stooges and binary worlds  is laughable brochacho... You can also add your hilarious "straight from the Kremlin " baloney about the West trying to provoke a war...  I  have posted multiple sources from all over the world supporting my views and most reasonable people while you have documented... well... nothing.  Literally. Show your work... document your assertions... I and others are very curious where you are getting your propa... er ... information from. Quotes maybe? With links even?

Cmon Brochacho... the world wants to know... :)

LOL. You literally posted an article describing the CIA's involvement of the 2014 coup in Ukraine which instituted a new governing body that was far more favorable to America's interests in that region. How else could one interpret that other than a clear adversarial maneuver by the US towards Russia? But hey, you posted articles from other countries that agree with your point of view! Congrats brotatochip! I guess since 30 other countries joined the US in blowing Iraq half to hell then it most certainly was the right call based on your logic. But to tickle your fancy, here are a couple brief articles detailing why what's happening in Ukraine cannot be blamed solely on Russia which is entirely my point.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/washington-helped-trigger-ukraine-war      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine

If there's anything in there you don't think is actually true, then let it be known. But if you're so convinced Russia is such a threat beyond Ukraine (even though they're 2 years into this war with nothing to plant their flag on while incurring hundreds of thousands of casualties) then why don't you strap on some boots, put on a helmet and go join in on the front lines to save the world?

Why is it exactly that Russia is “ 2 years into this war with nothing to plant their flag on while incurring hundreds of thousands of casualties?”
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #394 on: March 21, 2024, 02:37:01 PM »
Interesting that you picked the same author for both articles (Ted Galen Carpenter).  Apparently you get all your information regarding the situation in Ukraine from one guy who posts the same thing over and over on different platforms?  We have discussed his position many times over... I happen to agree with some of them. The problem is... Russia does not get a vote in who joins NATO... nor does China,  or Iran or north Korea. Russia attacked sovereign nation, illegally annexed Crimea and is in the process of ethnically cleansing Crimea, and the Donbas. The US, Russia, and most European nations signed a treaty (Budapest Memorandum)to defend Ukraine after they turned over nuclear weapons and heavy weapons abandoned by Soviet forces.

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On December 5, 1994, leaders of the United States, the United Kingdom, and the Russian Federation met in Budapest, Hungary, to pledge security assurances to Ukraine in connection with its accession to the Treaty on the Nonproliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) as a non-nuclear-weapons state. The signature of the so-called Budapest Memorandum concluded arduous negotiations that resulted in Ukraine’s agreement to relinquish the world’s third-largest nuclear arsenal, which the country inherited from the collapsed Soviet Union, and transfer all nuclear warheads to Russia for dismantlement. The signatories of the memorandum pledged to respect Ukraine’s territorial integrity and inviolability of its borders, and to refrain from the use or threat of military force. Russia breached these commitments with its annexation of Crimea in 2014]
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #395 on: March 21, 2024, 07:22:55 PM »
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then why don't you strap on some boots, put on a helmet and go join in on the front lines to save the world?

Does it count if I already served 20+ in the US Navy?  How bout you?
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #396 on: March 23, 2024, 02:48:55 PM »
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then why don't you strap on some boots, put on a helmet and go join in on the front lines to save the world?

Does it count if I already served 20+ in the US Navy?  How bout you?

I'd much rather contain Russia by helping Ukraine defend itself from their illegal war of conquest without losing Americans lives, but maybe that's just me.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #397 on: March 23, 2024, 03:23:10 PM »
No doubt... and... it was a rather silly sentence from someone who has probably never strapped on some boots and a helmet himself...
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #398 on: March 24, 2024, 07:29:16 AM »
More background on Moldova and its strategic importance...

https://www.hudson.org/defense-strategy/operation-odesa-russia-wants-entire-ukrainian-black-sea-coast-matthew-boyse

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Beyond Odesa is the mouth of the Danube, Transnistria, and the rest of the Republic of Moldova between the Dniester and the Prut rivers. If the Russian army crosses Odesa, there is nothing to stop it until the Romanian border. The Danube in Russian hands would be a geostrategic nightmare for Romania, a vital U.S. ally that feels directly threatened by the Russians, particularly now that it shares a maritime border after Putin seized part of the Ukrainian Exclusive Economic Zone.

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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov’s threatening statements at the Antalya Diplomacy Forum in Turkey on March 2 presage continuing Russian hybrid actions against the Republic of Moldova while shaping a rationale for taking control of the country.

Lavrov’s argument that Moldova is discriminating against Russian-speaking minorities was the rationale Putin deployed against Ukraine. Secondly, more than 200,000 inhabitants of Transnistria have Russian citizenship, a fact that Moscow could use to justify military intervention according to the Russian Constitution and military doctrine. Thirdly, Lavrov accused Moldovan leaders of being under Romanian influence and seeking unification, reiterating the narrative of Western meddling that Putin used against Ukraine.

Lavrov made these statements on the same day the pro-Russian governor of the Gagauzia region visited Moscow. New destabilizing actions in Moldova can be expected in view of presidential elections in November, in which pro-EU President Maia Sandu could be re-elected.

A Repeat of Donbas?

If Russia were to seize Odesa and/or parts of the rest of the Ukrainian littoral, we could expect a repeat of the Donbas: a formal annexation of newly occupied territories, staged referenda—as in the Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, and Luhansk regions—and similar occurrences of terror, torture, and ethnic cleansing. 
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #399 on: March 24, 2024, 08:22:02 AM »
Meanwhile, Putin is setting the stage to ignore Isis' claim of responsibility, and US intelligence information supplied to Russia, and blame Ukraine for the attack.  https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/mar/24/moscow-concert-hall-attack-russia-vladimir-putin-mourning-latest-news-updates?ref=upstract.com

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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #400 on: March 24, 2024, 12:43:41 PM »
He needs to stoke the nationalist flames to drive his war effort... every single bad thing that happens to Russia will be caused by, the fault of, Ukraine, the US, and the West in general...
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #401 on: March 24, 2024, 09:53:40 PM »
We all know the whole maga bs about sending money to Ukraine instead of the border is a red herring anyway… even if Biden gave maga all they wanted for the border they would find something else to complain about and hold hostage…

RE: Border

It's really not about the money, it's simply about enforcing the laws already on the books and not telling the outside [third] world to "storm the border if I'm elected", as Biden said on the campaign trail and has allowed the masses of mostly fighting age men to do ever since.

Although, yes, he's also using taxpayer money to literally charter in FROM some of these countries on flights these "asylum seekers".  He's using taxpayer money in the form of grants (not to mention local tax money in far left cities) to house these people.  He's busing these people from the border to wherever they want to go.  Sometimes flying them as well.  It's freaking treason in my opinion.  We are going to be paying for this underclass forever now.  It's terrible, especially on middle class families who are birthright citizens just trying to work and live a decent life here, giving their kids a better life.  Yea, this is just absolutely a crime against our humanity, is what it is.

RE: Ukraine

It's not that it's the majority of our budget, but it is still a big chunk of change flowing into the hands of corrupt politicians in UKRAINE and oligarchs over there, and there's no accountability, not to mention it's pointless and does nothing for the American people.  It's money being sent there that is money that was earned by middle class and working class taxpayers.  It's taking money that should go to infrastructure in this country, or something that would benefit the taxpayers, and sending it to corrupt oligarchs in another country.  It's sheer lunacy on a level I am at loss of words for.

To think that Putin was (or will) going to invade Poland or other "more legitimate" countries that were already in major treaty organizations was idiotic at best.  Nobody can deny there is a long and complex history between Russia and Ukraine that is beyond our understanding here in America.  Sort of like the Middle East and Afghanistan.  We love just getting involved in these "complex" regions  where it's nebulous and a bullsh*t PR story can be concocted and parroted by the compliant state media we have, get that war machine going, and line the pockets of those who always benefit.

And on principle, since we are talking about Ukraine's borders and sovereignty, it's the ultimate slap in the face to Americans already suffering from inflation and other government created crap that we would take taxpayers' hard earned tax money and ship it overseas with no accountability whatsoever to some historically corrupt country involved in some war that means nothing for us over here while at the same time letting God only knows how many poor, bottom feeding "migrants" in without any accountability or enforcement on our own border.  No sane rational country would do this.  This is all deliberate, and it's a coup to create a large and permanent underclass that will always vote Democrat.

Why do I even waste my air on here.  I am alone in my viewpoints, completely on here, but not alone in wider scheme of people in this country!
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #402 on: March 25, 2024, 06:59:16 AM »
This topic is about the war in Ukraine. If you wish to discuss the border issue please start a thread of your own... I  may even join in as I  happen to agree that the border is a disaster... however... Ukraine and the border are separate subjects on this forum.

A.  There is not a  big chunk of change flowing into the hands of corrupt politicians. Most of the money spent to date has been spent here... in the US... On top of that... it was actually military hardware that was already purchased and in existence and mostly ready to be phased out of inventory.

B.  If you actually care to look... there is quite a bit of accountability. Maybe not if you get your news from FOX...

C.  Not Pointless. The cost is miniscule compared to what it WILL cost should Ukraine fall and Russia is now positioned against the entire southern flank of NATO. You guys have NEVER answered why immediately following the Russian invasion Finland and Sweden applied for membership in NATO. If you answer that question honestly... you know why we need to let Ukraine win.

D.  Wtf is a legitimate country???  Now THAT  is an idiotic statement.

E.  Please don't argue about where we could better use taxpayers money. Every single taxpayer has a different set of priorities... every party has another set...

Let's keep this on topic please...
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #403 on: March 27, 2024, 06:46:57 AM »
Wow... if you're interested in this subject I recommend this...extremely interesting.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/denying-russia%E2%80%99s-only-strategy-success
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #404 on: March 28, 2024, 07:06:33 AM »
Large document published by the UN... including verification of Russian torture of Ukrainian POWs.

REPORT ON THE HUMAN RIGHTS
SITUATION IN UKRAINE
 
1 December 2023 – 29 February 2024

https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2024-03/2024-03-26%20OHCHR%2038th%20Periodic%20Report.pdf
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