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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #345 on: February 05, 2024, 05:42:47 PM »
I really do hope he gets a interview with Putin... I would be happy to read or watch that...

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/02/05/us-conservative-pundit-tucker-carlson-spotted-in-moscow-amid-putin-interview-rumors-a83972
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #346 on: February 05, 2024, 10:49:42 PM »
Will the fawning nature of the questions be expressed through the translator?

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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #347 on: February 06, 2024, 05:57:39 AM »
Rofl... ::) ;D
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #348 on: February 06, 2024, 07:26:27 AM »
Questions Carlson should ask Putin... but won't...

1.  Your Most Highest Excellency... When will you return the thousands of Ukrainian children stolen and kidnapped from their parents over the past 3 years?

2.  Most Exalted One... Why in a country as great and powerful as  Russia are you the only candidate for President?

3.  Vladimir... may I  call you Vladimir?  As you know our great President had his reelection stolen..how do you prevent such travesties in this great country?

4.  Dearest Vlad... Now that you are importing train loads of artillery shells and missiles from the peaceful Kim regime in North Korea... are you reciprocating by sending advanced missile technology to Kim?  For peaceful purposes only  of course.

5.  Comrade Vlad... How exactly are you repaying the Ayattollahs in Iran for the thousands of drone missiles they are sending you to shoot at Ukraine?

I'm sorry Vladimir...I  had more but I just peed myself from excitement...
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #349 on: February 06, 2024, 08:44:46 AM »
Hilarious.  Meanwhile, back stateside, US DoD: "We know we may have screwed the pooch a bit in the past. Vietnam. Nicaragua. Asperin factories in Sudan. Libya. Yemen. Iraq. WMD's. Fast and Furious. Afghanistan. Kuwait. Trump and Russia collusion, yada yada it's a long list. BUT. Trust us people. Russia is the greatest threat to us we've ever seen and we must print money into eternity and send to Ukraine with no questions asked!"   

Jaxson participants and the Lindsey Graham types of the world: "Yep. Seems credible to me! Kill the Russians!"

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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #350 on: February 06, 2024, 10:26:53 AM »
Simple question, WarDam - Is it acceptable for Russia to remove by invasion the government of Ukraine and install its own?

Simple "Yes" or "No" without Whataboutism of prior regime changes the USA has facilitated.


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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #351 on: February 06, 2024, 10:42:22 AM »
Hilarious.  Meanwhile, back stateside, US DoD: "We know we may have screwed the pooch a bit in the past. Vietnam. Nicaragua. Asperin factories in Sudan. Libya. Yemen. Iraq. WMD's. Fast and Furious. Afghanistan. Kuwait. Trump and Russia collusion, yada yada it's a long list. BUT. Trust us people. Russia is the greatest threat to us we've ever seen and we must print money into eternity and send to Ukraine with no questions asked!"   

Jaxson participants and the Lindsey Graham types of the world: "Yep. Seems credible to me! Kill the Russians!"
Your exaggerations don't help your argument. The good news is that unlike all those non sequitur examples no Americans are fighting in Ukraine.  No one has said Russia is the greatest threat we've ever seen (that would have been the Soviet Union) and plenty of people are asking Ukraine questions. Additionally very little cash is being sent there... the equipment and munitions were older stuff that had been rotated out of action by US military and in storage. It was freaking surplus
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #352 on: February 06, 2024, 12:00:18 PM »
More on Tuckers visit...

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/02/06/kremlin-woos-ex-fox-news-star-tucker-carlson-to-spite-biden-boost-putins-campaign-a83994

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  President Vladimir Putin’s administration is seeking to use former Fox News star Tucker Carlson’s visit to Moscow as a propaganda coup both in Russia and the United States, four sources close to the Kremlin have told The Moscow Times...

President Vladimir Putin’s administration is seeking to use former Fox News star Tucker Carlson’s visit to Moscow as a propaganda coup both in Russia and the United States, four sources close to the Kremlin have told The Moscow Times on condition of anonymity.

“Tucker has been expected here for a long time. He is welcome here,” a source close to the presidential administration told The Moscow Times. “Now everyone in the presidential administration has rolled up their sleeves and is working together.”

 
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #353 on: February 06, 2024, 01:20:27 PM »
Simple question, WarDam - Is it acceptable for Russia to remove by invasion the government of Ukraine and install its own?

Simple "Yes" or "No" without Whataboutism of prior regime changes the USA has facilitated.

Your question insinuates this is simply an arbitrary invasion and nothing more. So on the surface, no. It's not acceptable.

Is it acceptable for President Zelensky to nationalize Ukraine's media to ensure there's only one message - his message - being relayed to Ukrainian citizens?

We've gone around in circles here with this topic. Some want to pinpoint "Russian aggression" and Putin's desire to restore the Old Soviet Union as his reason to go into Ukraine as the war's primary cuplrit and it's our duty as the world's moral authority to stop said invasion by sending every asset possible to Ukraine which doesn't have two feet.

The other very undeniable side of the story is that NATO has continued its adversarial approach towards Russia which included a continued push closer and closer to Russia's border. All culminating in an attempt to get Ukraine to join.

So the other question I pose to you Mr Hunter. If an alliance comprised of Russia, China and Iran were to continually isolate and attempt to debilitate the United States before announcing they were going to include Mexico into their inner circle as a means to continue promoting the interests of the alliance, would it be acceptable for the US to take action in Mexico to prevent such scenario from happening? If you wanted me to answer your question, you need to answer this one too.

One can recognize Putin is no saint while also recognizing that war is not ours to fight. We don't have the resources to give to Ukraine to begin with. WE ARE BROKE. We're now spending over $1Trillion annually just in interest expenses  - with absolutely ZERO prospect of that number decreasing anytime soon. Continued debt explosion will only lead to more inflation which will only lead to more poverty here. That is a FAR greater threat to the well-being of this country than anything happening at the Ukraine-Russia border. Then there's our very own border crisis. How many Americans has Russia killed over the years? Slim to None? And how many Americans have been killed either directly by illegal aliens or the substances brought over from the border? Yep, no need to go all-hands-on-deck to solve these problems. We just need to see Putin fall on his face. That'll save this country!

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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #354 on: February 06, 2024, 03:23:16 PM »
Adversarial??? Europe and the US bent over backwards trying to get Russia to join western civilization... most of Europe purchased nearly all of its energy needs from Russia... to the point of decommissioning nuclear power plants. The Baltic states, Finland,  Poland, Ukraine, Germany and many others had free and open borders with Russia.  In 2020 the US  imported around 30 billion in goods from Russia.

NATO doesn't force anyone to join... it is strictly voluntary. I wonder why the Baltic states would want to join NATO?  Finland and Sweden joined NATO immediately following Russia invasion...I wonder why?

As for the debt... Trump added 8 trillion himself...as much as Obama...lol.

Same with immigration... the bill negotiations right now are the most conservative we've ever seen yet...Trump/MAGA etc  are walking away... you/ they are not serious about either of those issues
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #355 on: February 06, 2024, 04:18:19 PM »
Adversarial??? Europe and the US bent over backwards trying to get Russia to join western civilization... most of Europe purchased nearly all of its energy needs from Russia... to the point of decommissioning nuclear power plants. The Baltic states, Finland,  Poland, Ukraine, Germany and many others had free and open borders with Russia.  In 2020 the US  imported around 30 billion in goods from Russia.

LOL. Europe is trying to phase out fossil fuels for their own climate change initiatives but even they have realities they can't hide from. IE, they still need fossil fuels to survive. Russia is the 2nd largest exporter of Nat Gas. So... not like Europe had a choice here. They're neighbors with an energy juggernaut. At the same token, China is an adversary to us, especially according to Washington, but I guess since most of what we consume comes from China then they might as well be allies according to the above logic.

NATO doesn't force anyone to join... it is strictly voluntary. I wonder why the Baltic states would want to join NATO?  Finland and Sweden joined NATO immediately following Russia invasion...I wonder why?

Not discounting what NATO offers. But ignoring the clear friction between "Western" NATO nations and Russia is disingenuous.

As for the debt... Trump added 8 trillion himself...as much as Obama...lol.

Not sure what this has to do with anything here but yeah, I have my disagreements with Trump too. Instead of using his veto pen, all we got was "This bill sucks. But.... I'm gonna sign it anyways".

Same with immigration... the bill negotiations right now are the most conservative we've ever seen yet...Trump/MAGA etc  are walking away... you/ they are not serious about either of those issues

Allocating more resources by 3X to other countries' border crisis over your own (including Israel in this) isn't a bill that deserves a vote. Neither is the allowance of over 1 million more illegals per year. This is common sense. If common sense has to be labeled a slur in the name of MAGA nowadays, then so be it.
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #356 on: February 06, 2024, 05:26:29 PM »
I and many others have no issues with immigration reforms...especially the current bill. Clearly even the people who actually negotiated the bill don't want the solution. Trump doesn't want this to pass ... so it  won't. Completely disingenuous.

I'm all for common sense but Trump and Maga have none.

Incidentally...
https://tass.com/world/1742683
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6 FEB, 14:11

Tucker Carlson announces interview with Vladimir Putin

Last time, the Russian president gave an interview to a Western reporter in October, 2021

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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #357 on: February 06, 2024, 07:40:35 PM »
I and many others have no issues with immigration reforms...especially the current bill. Clearly even the people who actually negotiated the bill don't want the solution. Trump doesn't want this to pass ... so it  won't. Completely disingenuous.

I'm all for common sense but Trump and Maga have none.

Incidentally...
https://tass.com/world/1742683
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6 FEB, 14:11

Tucker Carlson announces interview with Vladimir Putin

Last time, the Russian president gave an interview to a Western reporter in October, 2021


The bill doesn't even enable an end to claims of asylum until crossings reach 5,000 people PER DAY. In essence, this bill does absolutely nothing to secure the border and cannot be remotely considered a solution. It's the same game we get from DC when it comes to "spending cuts". Instead of a spending increase of 10% for a particular area, it gets negotiated down to 7% and then gets labeled as a "massive spending cut". When in reality, it's just another increase in spending.

In the spirit of being fare, which I give an honest attempt as much as I can, Republicans have had their chances to secure the border as well when they were in power. But the Republican party is the absolute GOAT when it comes to all-talk-no-action. They also take orders from lobbyists who have a vested interest in perpetual illegal immigration or war (See Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell, etc)

But Biden is absolutely in a pinch because his executive orders to eliminate Trump-era immigration laws have directly lead to the worst invasion we've ever seen from the southern border. He can't hide from it anymore now that blue cities like Chicago, Denver, NYC, etc are being overrun with them. He needs to get something signed to show he's making an effort and Republicans will still do what politicians do, and that's play politics. Nobody up there wants the other side to claim victory for anything. However, it should be noted that the one Republican who worked on this bill in order for it to be considered "bi-partisan" was censured by his very own state for what is, as stated above, not a solution to our border crisis. 

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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #358 on: February 07, 2024, 05:59:56 AM »
I will agree both sides have had their chances and both have failed...miserably. It was however, despite what you think, the most restrictive bill probably ever. Shamefully... there will be more illegal crossing, no funds for Ukraine and more animosity and distrust amongst colleagues in Washington than ever.... and Trump with that silly Cheshire cat grin... like he actually accomplished something...
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Re: Will Russia invade Ukraine?
« Reply #359 on: February 07, 2024, 06:17:30 AM »
Meanwhile...back to the topic... please
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-february-6-2024-0


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America’s European and Asian allies have significantly ramped up their efforts to support Ukraine. European Council President Charles Michel stated on February 6 that the European Council and Parliament reached a provisional agreement on the creation of a new single dedicated instrument – the Ukraine Facility – to pool the EU’s recently announced support package of 50 billion euros (about $54 billion) for Ukraine for 2024-2027.[1] European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen stated that the EU aims to start payments to the Ukraine Facility in March 2024.[2] German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall stated on February 5 that it plans to send tens of thousands of 155mm artillery shells, dozens of Marder infantry fighting vehicles, 25 Leopard 1A5 tanks, and an unspecified number of Skynex air defense systems to Ukraine in 2024.[3] South Korea’s Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) stated on February 6 that it plans to sign a contract with ammunition producer Poongsan in 2024 to mass produce 155mm shells that have an extended range of 60 kilometers.[4] South Korea reportedly began indirectly supplying artillery shells to Ukraine in early 2023, and these shells may go to European allies for indirect transfer to Ukraine.[5]

The EU and its member states have made available 138 billion euros (about $148.5 billion) - including its recently announced support package of 50 billion euros (about $54 billion) - to Ukraine since Russia’s full-scale invasion in February 2022.[6] In comparison, the US has appropriated $113 billion to Ukraine since the full-scale invasion, of which over $75 billion was directly allocated to Ukraine for humanitarian, financial, and military support.[7] The US government allocated the other $38 billion to security assistance-related funding, which the US government spent largely in the US and on US companies or personnel.[8] 
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