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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #450 on: September 06, 2021, 11:36:31 AM »

Does how your personal choice may affect others enter into your consideration?

Antibodies are antibodies.  It doesn't matter if they come from within or if they come from a needle.



Yes, and no. I mean, they can distinguish between antibodies from the vaccine vs antibodies from having COVID. I wasn't aware of that until my wife took an antibody test last week and found out yesterday that she has apparently had COVID-19 at some point (they say likely within the past six months, but I think it was likely last March).

I've no idea if the (partial) immunity obtained from the vaccine is better than the (partial) immunity obtained by fighting off the virus.
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #451 on: September 06, 2021, 11:38:07 AM »
Just an aside - HIV almost certainly will kill you.

HIV doesn't kill you.  It destroys your immunity system which allows normal, mundane viruses and bugs to kill you.

It kills you. Whether it is the proximate cause of death or the distal cause of death is irrelevant. But for the fact that you had HIV, you wouldn't be dead.

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« Reply #452 on: September 06, 2021, 11:55:55 AM »
It is an individual choice to make. However when you make an obviously foolish choice with no regard for your community expect to be judged as foolish and uncaring with regard to the issue.

That’s the way I expect my terrible decisions to be judged.
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« Reply #453 on: September 06, 2021, 12:12:07 PM »
However when you make an obviously foolish choice...

The choice was made for me as I was confirmed + before the vaxxes really rolled out.

I wore masks when they were required.  I absolutely love the personal space that people freely give now. 

I did my due diligence with NI v/s vax after the vax became more available and made my choices based off of that.

I'm choosing to roll with the NI, since there's no unwavering decision made regarding the effectiveness of either - some science says NI is more effective.  Some science says that booster are still recommended along with the NI.  I'm still leaning towards strictly the NI because I have ZERO in my past health history to suggest otherwise.

So don't come at me with your 'no regard' take.  If anything, I'm probably doing more research than most.   

I'm not calling anyone foolish for getting vaxxed.  I recommend it to anyone who has had health issues or doesn't know if they've contracted the virus already or even if they just want an extra layer of protection.
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #454 on: September 06, 2021, 12:20:47 PM »


I did my due diligence with NI v/s vax after the vax became more available and made my choices based off of that.

I'm choosing to roll with the NI, since there's no unwavering decision made regarding the effectiveness of either - some science says NI is more effective.  Some science says that booster are still recommended along with the NI.  I'm still leaning towards strictly the NI because I have ZERO in my past health history to suggest otherwise.


What I would recommend, however, is that you get a COVID antibody test if you're planning on going with NI. And re boosters, those are needed with NI as well - your antibodies decrease over time. I personally think it would be smarter to get the vaccine and also have 'NI' from the antibodies you developed from getting an infection. I don't understand deliberately avoiding something that is pretty much guaranteed to be a benefit and to make you more resistant. But to each his own or whatever.
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« Reply #455 on: September 06, 2021, 12:30:56 PM »
What I would recommend, however, is that you get a COVID antibody test if you're planning on going with NI.

Scheduled for this Friday.

I don't understand deliberately avoiding something that is pretty much guaranteed to be a benefit and to make you more resistant.

Read the thread.  I've been completely transparent with my reasoning.
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« Reply #456 on: September 06, 2021, 02:12:54 PM »

Read the thread.  I've been completely transparent with my reasoning.

Yes, and I don't understand it.
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« Reply #457 on: September 06, 2021, 03:11:08 PM »
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« Reply #458 on: September 06, 2021, 08:58:24 PM »
In life, it's important to know when to stop arguing with people and simply let them be wrong.

Who's arguing?  I'm not claiming to be 'right', while several of you on here have already told me how wrong I am. ​

So many of you seem hyper-focused on what everyone else around you is doing when the only thing you should be concerned with is your own personal well-being.  Control what you can control and mitigate the impact of things you can't. 
It's really not that complicated. 

So for all of you that have had your second dose >8 months ago.  In the sense of CV-19, what makes you any different than me?  Just because you did what you thought was right at the time, doesn't make you any more or less right than someone who has gotten the virus and now has NI. 

I'll post my results here from the anti-body test.  Will you?  Or is an actual quantitative analysis of the people in our small group discussion above you?  Too bothersome?  Not worth your time or effort?  Probably.  But at least you got the shot, amirite?

Cool.

At least one of us is actually looking for some sort of answer.
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #459 on: September 07, 2021, 01:24:58 AM »
^ Heard a doctor on NPR today say antibody tests don't tell you much about resistance to COVID for at least two reasons:  First, at this time, no one knows what level of antibodies it takes to fight COIVD and, second, no level of natural antibodies matches the resistance offered by the vaccines.

^NRW, reposting the above as you seem to either have overlooked it or ignored it.  Relying strictly on NI antibodies is not the surest way to protect yourself.  Not sure why you don't get the vaccine in light of this.  Plenty of stubborn people (I posted an example in a prior post) are regretting not getting the vaccine, often on their death beds.  Why would you even take the much higher risk of no vaccine when the vaccine risk is near zero?

I think this is why you continue to get pushback on this thread.  Most of us can't make sense of your position.

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #460 on: September 07, 2021, 02:30:45 AM »
In life, it's important to know when to stop arguing with people and simply let them be wrong.

Who's arguing?  I'm not claiming to be 'right', while several of you on here have already told me how wrong I am. ​

So many of you seem hyper-focused on what everyone else around you is doing when the only thing you should be concerned with is your own personal well-being.  Control what you can control and mitigate the impact of things you can't. 
It's really not that complicated. 

So for all of you that have had your second dose >8 months ago.  In the sense of CV-19, what makes you any different than me?  Just because you did what you thought was right at the time, doesn't make you any more or less right than someone who has gotten the virus and now has NI. 

I'll post my results here from the anti-body test.  Will you?  Or is an actual quantitative analysis of the people in our small group discussion above you?  Too bothersome?  Not worth your time or effort?  Probably.  But at least you got the shot, amirite?

Cool.

At least one of us is actually looking for some sort of answer. I have not taken an antibody test because I don't qualify for a free one on the NHS (yet) and I don't want to pay £60 for one (and I kind of - perhaps incorrectly - assume I have antibodies as my wife has them).

I had my second dose about two months ago.

Re this: "Control what you can control and mitigate the impact of things you can't. It's really not that complicated."

That sounds like an endorsement for getting the vaccine to bolster any antibodies you already have. As the vaccine and prior infection don't necessarily stop the variants, it seems a better idea to do what you can to boost your own defences to either help you evade the variant or lessen the severity of the infection if you do contract it.

Anyway, my concern isn't your health (I mean it is but not chiefly), it is the health of others you may unwittingly spread the virus to. Others who may not have as robust an immune system.
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #461 on: September 07, 2021, 03:17:19 PM »
Bl8rjax, stop posting this anti-vax shit. I’ve warned you repeatedly. I’m not doing it again.

I'm curious what he has to say about Israel and their infections now. The serious cases are once again leaning heavily to the unvaccinated.

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #462 on: September 07, 2021, 03:23:01 PM »
In light of the discussion of antibodies occurring via natural infection vs vaccine, I thought I'd post this article I saw today.

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So who is capable of mounting this "superhuman" or "hybrid" immune response?

People who have had a "hybrid" exposure to the virus. Specifically, they were infected with the coronavirus in 2020 and then immunized with mRNA vaccines this year. "Those people have amazing responses to the vaccine," says virologist Theodora Hatziioannou at Rockefeller University, who also helped lead several of the studies. "I think they are in the best position to fight the virus. The antibodies in these people's blood can even neutralize SARS-CoV-1, the first coronavirus, which emerged 20 years ago. That virus is very, very different from SARS-CoV-2."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/09/07/1033677208/new-studies-find-evidence-of-superhuman-immunity-to-covid-19-in-some-individuals
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #463 on: September 07, 2021, 05:10:07 PM »
Bl8rjax, stop posting this anti-vax shit. I’ve warned you repeatedly. I’m not doing it again.

I'm curious what he has to say about Israel and their infections now. The serious cases are once again leaning heavily to the unvaccinated.

It may be a week or so before he answers you...
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #464 on: September 10, 2021, 08:35:56 AM »
So it seems like the vaccine mandates are starting to catch up to reality. I think that if you want to do most things outside of Florida and a hand full of other states, you're gonna need the vaccine. Especially if you want to travel internationally.