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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #435 on: September 04, 2021, 05:43:23 PM »
The dumbest statement is... "risk is risk"... I  really should have deleted both posts but I  figured everyone should see the uninformed bullshit coming out of some mouths. Probably endorses horse wormer too...

Because... risk is risk... unbelievable...
I often wonder if he is serious.

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #436 on: September 04, 2021, 06:07:00 PM »
The dumbest statement is... "risk is risk"... I  really should have deleted both posts but I  figured everyone should see the uninformed bullshit coming out of some mouths. Probably endorses horse wormer too...

Because... risk is risk... unbelievable...
I often wonder if he is serious.

Or sober...
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #437 on: September 04, 2021, 09:58:04 PM »
If you have a moment, watch this video if you are hesitant to get the shots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd8P12BXebo

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #438 on: September 05, 2021, 02:27:37 PM »
Bl8rjax, stop posting this anti-vax shit. I’ve warned you repeatedly. I’m not doing it again.
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« Reply #439 on: September 05, 2021, 08:07:19 PM »
If you have a moment, watch this video if you are hesitant to get the shots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd8P12BXebo

I watched.  To me it fulfills a stereotype of exactly the kind of people who should be getting the vaccine, though.  In the end, I still believe it is an individual's choice to make. 

Look, I know this disease is shitty and it's unfair, but there's also a subset of people that it inherently targets.  It's not the Covid that's killing people as much as it's the strain that the virus is putting on all of the other systems - namely the pulmonary.  If you have a weak ticker, less oxygen is going to affect someone a lot more than someone with a healthy heart.  And if you want to compare it to another virus that's deadly, but doesn't actually kill you, how about HIV?

If they were to do a follow up with Chris Green's family regarding his typical lifestyle: exercise routines and his eating habits, based solely on the photo, I'm going to guess they'd tell you less than average and more than average.  What was his cholesterol level?  What other underlying conditions (known or not) did he have?  How long was he feeling like ass before he even checked into a hospital?

So I'll restate again, if you're susceptible to 'average' diseases, if you have underlying conditions, if you live off of a soda and chips , then you're the type of person who should have been in line to get the shot first.

If you have any concerns, get vaxxed.  I'm not anti-vax.  I'm just pro-NI.  All of my views are coming from my own personal experience, and this conversation had me genuinely curious, which is why I came out of hibernation and got involved.

And because of this convo (among some other things), I paid my $75 and scheduled an appt. for this Friday to go and get my antibody test and see quantitative result to see where I actually stand.  My experience: I have had a known + (over a year ago), have been in close contact with many other +s (throughout the timeline), have had 3 kids in 3 different schools since last year, etc...   

I could be Typhoid Mary; I could be Robert Neville.  I'll find out in about 10 days.
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #440 on: September 05, 2021, 09:12:02 PM »
^ Heard a doctor on NPR today say antibody tests don't tell you much about resistance to COVID for at least two reasons:  First, at this time, no one knows what level of antibodies it takes to fight COIVD and, second, no level of natural antibodies matches the resistance offered by the vaccines.

There there is this advice:
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SENOIA, Ga. — A 33-year-old Georgia man who died from COVID-19 used social media to make a final plea to his friends and family to get vaccinated.

Kevin McKenzie, of Senoia, died Sept. 2 at Piedmont Newnan Hospital after a three-week battle with the virus. He was not vaccinated.

On Aug. 24, McKenzie posted a photo from his hospital room, saying that he appreciated prayers but he needed something else from his friends and family.

“Yes, there is something I want everyone to do for me that I was too damn stubborn to do, and that’s if you haven’t yet done so, go get your COVID vaccine,” McKenzie wrote.

McKenzie said that when he was admitted to the hospital, four different doctors told him they had not had to admit one single patient who was vaccinated.

“Trust me you don’t want to be where I am now and as soon as I get over this I’ll be getting my vaccine,” he wrote.

McKenzie’s fiancée, Lori Minatree, said she hopes that post helped save lives....

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/fayette-county/33-year-old-ga-man-who-died-covid-19-makes-final-plea-friends-get-vaccinated/GK6UYTBLCVBEVPPZFHHKOO7EUM/

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #441 on: September 06, 2021, 12:48:15 AM »
NRW - I'm newish here, and don't know you.  So please forgive
, in advance, my ignorance of your personal circumstances.

But since you are genuinely curious, I'll offer my own opinion. And that is, we still find ourselves behind the curve scientifically on this disease. It evolves faster than we can adapt. To me, that is a convincing case for controlling what we can so we can understand better what we can't. We can choose--and therefore control--vaccination.

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #442 on: September 06, 2021, 04:12:08 AM »
And if you want to compare it to another virus that's deadly, but doesn't actually kill you, how about HIV?


Just an aside - HIV almost certainly will kill you. If you don't take medication for it, that is. Yes, there are probably people who are HIV+ and asymptomatic and not taking medication and getting along fine. But if you contract HIV and don't take medication for it, you will likely develop AIDS and die. Or maybe you'll contract something like COVID and because you are not on medication, your compromised immune system can't handle it and it kills you.

I wouldn't compare HIV to COVID-19 for many reasons. Among these are a) we have drugs that successfully treat HIV, b) we have drugs that stop HIV transmission c) we don't have an HIV vaccine and d) HIV is far deadlier than COVID-19.

But not getting a COVID vaccination when you're eligible and then acting as a conduit to spread the virus to other people would be similar to having HIV and having unprotected sex despite not taking meds or PrEP. I mean, the HIV isn't affecting you, why should you worry?

(And in case anyone is unaware of this - and I was for many years - current HIV medication renders the virus undetectable in the carrier and makes it so that person cannot transmit the virus to others - it's almost like being non-HIV+. It really is incredible what strides have been made there.)
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #443 on: September 06, 2021, 08:47:29 AM »
There have been multiple reported instances in which fit individuals contracted coronavirus, and, in some cases, nearly died.

Charlie Aragon – a 35-year-old bodybuilder from Arizona with no underlying health conditions, who kept up a high protein, low carb diet – had to be hospitalized for COVID-19 for 20 days. He spent two weeks on a ventilator.
Lequawn James – a 29-year-old nurse practitioner and bodybuilder – spent 10 days in the intensive care unit fighting COVID-19. At times, he couldn’t walk even 4 feet without oxygen.
Mike Shultz – a 43-year-old nurse who spent six to seven days a week in the gym before the virus hit – spent six weeks in the hospital fighting COVID-19, four and a half of them intubated.
Joshua Fiske – a 47-year-old urologist and marathoner who ran 16-20 miles a week – nearly died of COVID-19, too. His fever lingered around 104 degrees for days, and it hurt to talk or move.
Based on our research, the claim that individuals who meet certain health criteria — such as maintaining under 10% body fat, exercising regularly and eating a healthy diet — are not at risk for COVID-19 is FALSE. Medical experts say that no one is immune from coronavirus, based on current research and numerous instances of healthy individuals who have contracted and nearly died from the disease. Lower risk individuals can also spread it to others who may be more at-risk.
"Nobody's immune to COVID, unless they've had it already," Dr. Leora Horwitz, director of the Center for Healthcare Innovation and Delivery Science at NYU Langone, told USA TODAY. "It doesn't matter how healthy you are, how young you are, how few diseases you have, how many marathons you've run – nobody's immune."

"If there was no risk in people who have normal weight, we would know that by now," Naveed Sattar, a professor of metabolic medicine at the University of Glasgow in Scotland, told USA TODAY. "That's not the case."

“From all of the evidence so far, it does seem that being healthier will reduce your risks of severe outcomes, perhaps considerably. But some folk who appear very healthy can get severe COVID or die from it. Being normal weight does not protect you."

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #444 on: September 06, 2021, 09:12:58 AM »
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"Nobody's immune to COVID, unless they've had it already," Dr. Leora Horwitz, director of the Center for Healthcare Innovation and Delivery Science at NYU Langone, told USA TODAY. "It doesn't matter how healthy you are, how young you are, how few diseases you have, how many marathons you've run – nobody's immune.

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« Reply #445 on: September 06, 2021, 09:15:23 AM »
Just an aside - HIV almost certainly will kill you.

HIV doesn't kill you.  It destroys your immunity system which allows normal, mundane viruses and bugs to kill you.

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« Reply #446 on: September 06, 2021, 09:18:52 AM »
NRW - I'm newish here, and don't know you.  So please forgive
, in advance, my ignorance of your personal circumstances.

But since you are genuinely curious, I'll offer my own opinion. And that is, we still find ourselves behind the curve scientifically on this disease. It evolves faster than we can adapt. To me, that is a convincing case for controlling what we can so we can understand better what we can't. We can choose--and therefore control--vaccination.

I've pretty much listed all of my personal reasons here in this thread. 

I'm not suggesting that anyone (except myself to date) to not get vaxxed. 

My main point of focus is that I believe in personal choice, and that those choices should be made based on each individual's unique circumstance. 
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #447 on: September 06, 2021, 09:47:09 AM »
NRW - I'm newish here, and don't know you.  So please forgive
, in advance, my ignorance of your personal circumstances.

But since you are genuinely curious, I'll offer my own opinion. And that is, we still find ourselves behind the curve scientifically on this disease. It evolves faster than we can adapt. To me, that is a convincing case for controlling what we can so we can understand better what we can't. We can choose--and therefore control--vaccination.

I've pretty much listed all of my personal reasons here in this thread. 

I'm not suggesting that anyone (except myself to date) to not get vaxxed. 

My main point of focus is that I believe in personal choice, and that those choices should be made based on each individual's unique circumstance. 

Does how your personal choice may affect others enter into your consideration?

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #448 on: September 06, 2021, 10:56:40 AM »
Let's keep it civil people. Name calling is forbidden. Anti vaccination misinformation or propaganda will not be tolerated.
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« Reply #449 on: September 06, 2021, 11:27:45 AM »

Does how your personal choice may affect others enter into your consideration?

Antibodies are antibodies.  It doesn't matter if they come from within or if they come from a needle.

So if you're talking about 'affecting others' with regards to me transmitting the virus, then I'm no different than anyone else who is vaccinated.

If you're talking about 'affecting others' with regards to me catching a variant and my health declining, I'm no different than anyone else who got the vax early and have waning antibody counts.

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