COVID Again Rampant in Jax

[Snaketoz]

Many people who refuse to get the vaccine think only in the terms of me, I, my.  They don't think of family, friends, and others they may come in contact with.  People that think this way need to change their mindset.  We will never get over this pandemic until everyone pitches in and does what is good for our society as a whole.  Thinking that you have great genes, immunity, are healthy, etc., will come back to haunt many.  I read about them everyday.

[BridgeTroll]

Many people who refuse to get the vaccine think only in the terms of me, I, my.  They don't think of family, friends, and others they may come in contact with.  People that think this way need to change their mindset.  We will never get over this pandemic until everyone pitches in and does what is good for our society as a whole.  Thinking that you have great genes, immunity, are healthy, etc., will come back to haunt many.  I read about them everyday.

Possibly… but NRW doesn’t fit in the selfish meme you are referring to. I respect his choice.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Many people who refuse to get the vaccine think only in the terms of me, I, my.  They don't think of family, friends, and others they may come in contact with.  People that think this way need to change their mindset.  We will never get over this pandemic until everyone pitches in and does what is good for our society as a whole.  Thinking that you have great genes, immunity, are healthy, etc., will come back to haunt many.  I read about them everyday.

Possibly… but NRW doesn’t fit in the selfish meme you are referring to. I respect his choice.

Thanks, but you're both right in a sense. (Edit) Right because I am refusing it for me, I, my reasons.  But you'd be incorrect to assume that those reasons have any political, YT scientific, or conspiracy theory reasoning behind it.  It's really as simple as I hardly ever get sick even with direct exposure to viruses/flu/etc that courses through a house that has a person who works in healthcare and 3 kids in 3 different schools. (/Edit)

Carrying a viral load is no different if you're vaxxed or not, especially if you're asymptomatic, so in the sense of infecting others, there's not really a difference between the two.

The biggest concern for my family and I, as BT mentioned, is that by the time I realize I'm wrong, I'll be in the process of being admitted into the hospital and having to face an uncertain future as well as the stereotyping for my 'choice'.

Just get the Vax!  Well, again, I don't doubt that it's safe*, and I have zero issue with putting stuff in my body that I know isn't good for me, but my personal decision is that my system has done wonders over the 45 years I've been around, and I honestly don't want to screw with it. 

I would never tell anyone how to handle their own business when it comes to this, simply: your body; your choice.

I won't have much else to offer on the subject for another couple weeks.  The Spike protein test is set for the end of next week to determine where I'm at on the scale of immunity. 

Because you have to understand - I've already been + and was asymptomatic then.  There's no telling how many times or not that I've had it since, because I haven't had symptoms.  I could honestly be + now and not even know it, so I think this is the best way for ME (us because I'm responsible to my family) to move forward. 



 

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

^ From what I understand, immunity from having had COVID is not as strong as that offered by the vaccine. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v5VrpgXPm4

[jaxlongtimer]

^ From what I understand, immunity from having had COVID is not as strong as that offered by the vaccine. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v5VrpgXPm4

OK, I watched this.  No need to reinvent the wheel, I will just share below some of the comments to the video posted to indicate my response.

It hasn’t been thoroughly peer-reviewed yet, but you seem to trust it without skepticism. Let me guess, the study fits your preconceived conclusions?

This is baloney! There are plenty of infections that don’t confer cross-immunity to every other variant of the infecting pathogen.

Although I agree with your views, I would have loved to see a link to the studies you mentioned. Most people I talk with are asking, where did you get this information?

There's only one problem with this.  You have to get Covid and survive to get the immunity.

There is no downside to getting vaccinated if you recovered from Covid.

Well, yeah, if I already had small pox, I would have more immunity than those who never had small pox.  BUT WHO WANTS THE RISK OF DEATH FROM SMALL POX AND ALL THE RESULTANT PERMANENT DAMAGE?   The same applies to COVID-19.  While I recovered from Chicken Pox as a child, I can still get shingles.  TAKE YOUR SHOTS.

Natural immunity obviously requires previous infection. Why take the risk if there is a safer alternative?

Tell the families of the 600k+ who died that the good news is their loved ones in the grave won’t get covid again.

So why are all reports in the media telling us that most people that are dying are those who are not vaccinated???

You’re ignoring the fact that acquiring immunity through the actual virus rather than through a piece of it gives you and your loved ones a 1/50 chance of dying. If you get sick and can’t breathe, you’re going to go to the hospital and seek treatment. It’s selfish of you to take a precious bed if you didn’t do your own diligence in preventing your infection.

Please start posting links to your sources when making these reports

Great for those that recover and increase their natural immunity but what about for those that did not make it?

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I'm not going to get into a back and forth with the commenters of the video.   You could have left it at:
 

OK, I watched this.

[Snaketoz]

And that my friends is why Covid will be hanging around for a long time to come.

[Snaketoz]

Just got home from our club.  We practiced on the golf range and had lunch.  We noticed that some of the staff were donning masks as we were leaving.  On getting home I checked my emails and had one from our club.  "The dining room will be closing immediately and will reopen on Wednesday Sept. 8.  One of the kitchen staff has tested positive for Covid".  Now this young person may never be sick, may not have ever known he was positive.  You have to think of those who he comes into contact with.  The servers get it from him and pass it along to the members.  It isn't like it's "just me, I, and mine".  This is why it matters.  I am in my mid 70s with many health issues.  Very concerning to me and my wife.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Just got home from our club.  We practiced on the golf range and had lunch.  We noticed that some of the staff were donning masks as we were leaving.  On getting home I checked my emails and had one from our club.  "The dining room will be closing immediately and will reopen on Wednesday Sept. 8.  One of the kitchen staff has tested positive for Covid".  Now this young person may never be sick, may not have ever known he was positive.  You have to think of those who he comes into contact with.  The servers get it from him and pass it along to the members.  It isn't like it's "just me, I, and mine".  This is why it matters.  I am in my mid 70s with many health issues.  Very concerning to me and my wife.

I think I know what you're trying to say, and since you don't know the details, you're just filling in the blanks as you see fit. 

Who's vaxxed?  Who's been + and now has NI?  What prompted the test to begin with?  Who's unvaxxed and has never been +?  Maybe a member spread it to the staff first? 

Guess what?  It doesn't matter.

And your response is a perfect example of why people should take the level of precaution that they feel they need and quit worrying so much about what others are doing.

Is it unfair?  Yes.  Do I have more of a cavalier attitude towards it based on my own personal circumstances?  Also, yes.  Should you probably be much more cautious than your average 25 y/o?  Again, yes.

And please don't take this the wrong way, but if we're being honest, any dining experience for anyone, dine-in or take-out, is potentially a huge risk!  From the multiple cooks preparing the food, to the expo plating/bagging the food, to the servers delivering the food, to the dishwasher taking the sanitized dishes out of the wash and setting them on the line....  In any given restaurant, there's probably 4-10 people coming in close or actual contact with your food, your silverware, your glassware and your packaging before it ever even gets to you.  No amount of social distancing or mask is going to help if you're ingesting the virus voluntarily.

[Snaketoz]

NRNW,  Never thought other than good about you.  You almost answered the question many of those who refuse to get the vax ask.  If more people vaxed there would be exponentially less chance of transmission and having hosts for mutating into new strains-ie: 19 into Delta.  The kitchen staff is routinely tested and I have yet to meet a member who hasn't gotten the vaccine.  I think everyone should be vaccinated, not only for themselves, but for others.  Especially those in food, hospitals, first responders, etc.  When I was young, we had the draft.  The draft was established because not enough people would enter the old non-technical military.  It's much the same today with Covid.  Not enough people are taking a non-selfish view of the situation we are in.  They will either comply now, or eventually be compelled to get vaccinated.  It's a shame it will come to that, but I see it coming if we don't step up and defeat this pandemic.  I was born and raised in Jacksonville and before we could enter school we had to be vaccinated for smallpox, polio, and tested for TB.  All of those are essentially gone.  Now we have a new mindset that it's what's in it for me, or I don't want to.  I don't believe in the draft, but I believe in the vaccine.  Most healthcare professionals do too.

[bl8jaxnative]

And please don't take this the wrong way, but if we're being honest, any dining experience for anyone, dine-in or take-out, is potentially a huge risk!

"Potentially huge risk"  ---> logical diahrea.  risk is risk.  there's not potential  the potential is that something could go wrong.

of course, they could go right too.

Here's the thing, right now in Duval County - a million people - there are about 10,000 people with an active infection in that 10-12 day window where they're shedding viable virons that can infect someone else.

Chances are pretty slim to none you're going to encounter one of those 1%, let alone in a way that would expose you to enough viable virons to become infected.  It could happen.  I might happen.  But chances are slim to none.

[bl8jaxnative]

Then again, what really matters is the cost of that risk.  It's not about the incredibly tiny chances you'll get covid19, one needs to take into the cost of the risk.  If things go wrong, what will it cost you?

Look at lightning.  Chances of getting hit by it in any given year is 1 in 1/2 million.  But the cost of getting hit by it are extraordinarily high.   If you do get struck, you're probably going to die.    About 10% of people struck by lightning die.


It' snot just about the probability -- often perceived, btw, and not measure -- of something going wrong.  It's also about the outcomes of when something goes wrong.   

[BridgeTroll]

Then again, what really matters is the cost of that risk.  It's not about the incredibly tiny chances you'll get covid19, one needs to take into the cost of the risk.  If things go wrong, what will it cost you?

Look at lightning.  Chances of getting hit by it in any given year is 1 in 1/2 million.  But the cost of getting hit by it are extraordinarily high.   If you do get struck, you're probably going to die.    About 10% of people struck by lightning die.


It' snot just about the probability -- often perceived, btw, and not measure -- of something going wrong.  It's also about the outcomes of when something goes wrong.   

And please don't take this the wrong way, but if we're being honest, any dining experience for anyone, dine-in or take-out, is potentially a huge risk!

"Potentially huge risk"  ---> logical diahrea.  risk is risk.  there's not potential  the potential is that something could go wrong.

of course, they could go right too.

Here's the thing, right now in Duval County - a million people - there are about 10,000 people with an active infection in that 10-12 day window where they're shedding viable virons that can infect someone else.

Chances are pretty slim to none you're going to encounter one of those 1%, let alone in a way that would expose you to enough viable virons to become infected.  It could happen.  I might happen.  But chances are slim to none.

Talk about logical diahrea...

[jaxoNOLE]

Lol, yeah, thank God the chances of getting the virus are slim to none. Otherwise we might have a real pandemic on our hands.

[BridgeTroll]

The dumbest statement is... "risk is risk"... I  really should have deleted both posts but I  figured everyone should see the uninformed bullshit coming out of some mouths. Probably endorses horse wormer too...

Because... risk is risk... unbelievable...