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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #465 on: September 10, 2021, 12:20:30 PM »
So don't come at me with your 'no regard' take.  If anything, I'm probably doing more research than most.   

What field of research do you do? Anything published?

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #466 on: September 10, 2021, 01:04:43 PM »
So don't come at me with your 'no regard' take.  If anything, I'm probably doing more research than most.   

What field of research do you do? Anything published?

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« Reply #467 on: September 10, 2021, 01:48:23 PM »
So don't come at me with your 'no regard' take.  If anything, I'm probably doing more research than most.   

What field of research do you do? Anything published?

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Still under peer review.   ;)
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #468 on: September 10, 2021, 10:27:27 PM »
Why would anyone bet against the vaccines with odds like this...

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Unvaccinated People Are 11 Times More Likely To Die Of COVID-19, New Research Finds

Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, new research has found, bolstering evidence that the inoculations continue to provide powerful protection, even against the delta variant.

The latest studies from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released on Friday also found that vaccinated people were nearly five times less likely to get infected and 10 times less likely to get so sick they ended up in the hospital.

The CDC "looked at COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths in 13 states and offers further evidence of the power of vaccination," Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC, said at a White House COVID-19 briefing on Friday.

"As we have shown, study after study, vaccination works," she added.

However, the studies — which analyzed data from 600,000 Americans between April 4 and July 17 — suggest that the effectiveness of the vaccines may have dropped as the delta variant became dominant. One explanation could be waning immunity. A second is that the variant is better at evading the immune system. It also could be some combination of the two factors.

Another study examining data from nine states from June through August indicated that the Moderna vaccine may be the most effective of the three available in the United States.

The research found that across all ages, vaccine effectiveness was "significantly higher" among Moderna vaccine recipients — at 95% — than among Pfizer or Johnson & Johnson vaccine recipients, with vaccine effectiveness of 80% and 60%, respectively.

As of Friday, White House officials said nearly 75% of eligible Americans — those 12 and older — have gotten at least their first shot, and the CDC reported about 54% are fully vaccinated.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/10/1036023973/covid-19-unvaccinated-deaths-11-times-more-likely

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #469 on: September 11, 2021, 05:49:10 AM »
Why would anyone bet against the vaccines with odds like this...

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Unvaccinated People Are 11 Times More Likely To Die Of COVID-19, New Research Finds

Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who are fully vaccinated, new research has found, bolstering evidence that the inoculations continue to provide powerful protection, even against the delta variant.

The latest studies from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released on Friday also found that vaccinated people were nearly five times less likely to get infected and 10 times less likely to get so sick they ended up in the hospital.

The CDC "looked at COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths in 13 states and offers further evidence of the power of vaccination," Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC, said at a White House COVID-19 briefing on Friday.

"As we have shown, study after study, vaccination works," she added.

However, the studies — which analyzed data from 600,000 Americans between April 4 and July 17 — suggest that the effectiveness of the vaccines may have dropped as the delta variant became dominant. One explanation could be waning immunity. A second is that the variant is better at evading the immune system. It also could be some combination of the two factors.

Another study examining data from nine states from June through August indicated that the Moderna vaccine may be the most effective of the three available in the United States.

The research found that across all ages, vaccine effectiveness was "significantly higher" among Moderna vaccine recipients — at 95% — than among Pfizer or Johnson & Johnson vaccine recipients, with vaccine effectiveness of 80% and 60%, respectively.

As of Friday, White House officials said nearly 75% of eligible Americans — those 12 and older — have gotten at least their first shot, and the CDC reported about 54% are fully vaccinated.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/10/1036023973/covid-19-unvaccinated-deaths-11-times-more-likely

I agree. And I still don't understand NRW's reasons for NOT getting the vaccine. He's only said it's because he believes his natural immunity or his immune system is robust. But that's not a reason for NOT getting the vaccine. I've yet to hear why he won't get a vaccine - he's alluded to research and 'due diligence' but hasn't made a case against the vaccine. Other than 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'.
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #470 on: September 11, 2021, 09:04:03 AM »
I don't know where NRW is employed but he may have more choices to make...

Under Biden’s new mandate, all private businesses with more than 100 employees will be required to enforce vaccination, and provide paid time off to do so. If an employee refuses to get a COVID-19 vaccine, that person will be required to show proof of a negative COVID test once a week.
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #471 on: September 11, 2021, 07:29:28 PM »
I don't know where NRW is employed but he may have more choices to make...

Under Biden’s new mandate, all private businesses with more than 100 employees will be required to enforce vaccination, and provide paid time off to do so. If an employee refuses to get a COVID-19 vaccine, that person will be required to show proof of a negative COVID test once a week.

All fair questions.

Self-employed with no government contracts and limited in-person interaction required.

I had a  vial of blood drawn 9n Friday, so I'll have the last bit of info that I personally need before getting the Vax or continuing on with NI.

I'm kind of surprised that so many are willing to just step up and do what they think is best while chastising someone for doing the same.  Especially with everything that we're  obtaining to learn about the  virus.

TUFSU mentioned Israel, one of the highest % vaxxed countries in the world.  And they're reeling from the lack of ilong-term neffectiveness of the first rollout of vaccines. 

Which is why I asked earlier when everyone got theirs.  Because there's the possibility that some of you are just as, if not more, of a detriment to society than you 'believe' me to be.  But you're not concerned with yourself be abuse you e had a few jabs.

So carry on.
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #472 on: September 11, 2021, 07:47:30 PM »
I don't know where NRW is employed but he may have more choices to make...

Under Biden’s new mandate, all private businesses with more than 100 employees will be required to enforce vaccination, and provide paid time off to do so. If an employee refuses to get a COVID-19 vaccine, that person will be required to show proof of a negative COVID test once a week.

All fair questions.

Self-employed with no government contracts and limited in-person interaction required.

I had a  vial of blood drawn 9n Friday, so I'll have the last bit of info that I personally need before getting the Vax or continuing on with NI.

I'm kind of surprised that so many are willing to just step up and do what they think is best while chastising someone for doing the same.  Especially with everything that we're  obtaining to learn about the  virus.

TUFSU mentioned Israel, one of the highest % vaxxed countries in the world.  And they're reeling from the lack of ilong-term neffectiveness of the first rollout of vaccines. 

Which is why I asked earlier when everyone got theirs.  Because there's the possibility that some of you are just as, if not more, of a detriment to society than you 'believe' me to be.  But you're not concerned with yourself be abuse you e had a few jabs.

So carry on.

How is a person who has had the vaccine a 'detriment to society'?  Honest question.
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« Reply #473 on: September 11, 2021, 07:58:54 PM »
Not through any fault of their own, but to use a quick analogy, it's similar to The Emporer with No Clothes.

You did what you believed to be the right thing, but wothout regular antibody testing, you have ZERO knowledge on how the vaccine truly affected you and how strong your immunity is or isn't,  yet you continue on with an invisible armor with the assumption that not only are you protected, but that you're protecting others when it might not be true

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #474 on: September 11, 2021, 08:22:29 PM »
NRnW,  That makes absolutely no sense.  Give us your sources of this analogy.  You are picking and choosing bits of info from God knows where to fit your ideas.  The vax WORKS!  Most real data proves it.  If anyone has "ZERO" knowledge on anything concerning Covid, it is you. 

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« Reply #475 on: September 11, 2021, 08:35:54 PM »
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Give us your sources of this analogy.
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The vax WORKS!  Most real data proves it.
Key word - most.  MOST people my age don't carry it asymptomatically either.  So I've already gone against the grain at least once.
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If anyone has "ZERO" knowledge on anything concerning Covid, it is you.

Seriously, get over yourself.  I'm glad what you're doing is working for you, but so far, what I'm doing is working just as well.  I'm sure I've read plenty of articles for both of us regarding my individual circumstance.

Here's my issue with your comment.  You're trying to apply a one-size-fits all to this, and I get it - due to the lack of time and level of preparedness, we've (science in general) had to take that approach.  And since most of the actual scientific resources are geared to finding the MOST EFFECTIVE way to treat this, there just aren't enough resources to study the sub-classes in depth.

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You are picking and choosing bits of info from God knows where to fit your ideas.... 

So for you to just say that I don't care, or don't know anything, speaks more to your willingness to accept what bits and pieces that you choose to accept and to deny anything that may not fit in that box.  I'm still looking for specific answers. 



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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #476 on: September 11, 2021, 09:51:07 PM »
^ Did you struggle this much with all of your required vaccines, or just this one?

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« Reply #477 on: September 11, 2021, 10:08:52 PM »
"The CDC estimates that an average of 36,000 people died of the flu each year over the past decade. The worst recent flu season was 2017-2018, when 61,000 people died from the flu. Around 22,000 people died of the flu during the shorter 2019-2020 season — the second lowest death total in the past 10 years, after the 12,000 flu deaths in the 2011-2012 season.

Even accounting for the fact that the COVID-19 pandemic has lasted a year instead of eight months, it has taken an average of 36,000 more lives per month when compared to the 2017-2018 flu season."

Even with all the preventative measures that heve been taken, Covid-19 is far more contagious and deadly than the normal flu. Why on earth would you put yourself and everyone you come into contact with at risk?

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« Reply #478 on: September 11, 2021, 10:33:36 PM »
The "wish I got the vaccine" stories just keep coming, often from dying patients:

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Doctor says 'death is imminent' for a woman on a hospital bed in Michigan who refused the COVID-19 vaccine 'adamantly'

A doctor in Michigan issued a stern warning for a woman lying on a hospital bed who refused to get a COVID-19 vaccine: "Death is imminent."

Dr. Nicole Linder, chief hospitalist at OSF St. Francis Hospital Medical Group in Escanaba, Michigan, urged the public to get vaccinated against the coronavirus on Thursday. To make her point clearly, she cited a "very special patient" of hers named Kathy who had "refused the vaccine adamantly" before contracting the coronavirus.

Kathy has been in the hospital for at least three weeks battling COVID-19, Linder said, according to local news outlet MLive.com.

After being admitted to the hospital, Kathy called up several friends and family members to convince them to get vaccinated. At least six people got vaccinated after speaking with Kathy, Linder said, according to MLive.com.

Kathy has since been released on hospice care to spend time with her family as her symptoms continue to worsen. Ahead of her release, Kathy and Linder hugged goodbye.

"It was too late for her," said Linder, who got permission from Kathy to share her story. "Despite everything that could possibly be done for her, she's going to lose her battle and lose her life. And she's vivacious and gregarious and just a wonderful person and this did not have to happen. Her family didn't have to lose her."

For months, health experts have been urging the public to get vaccinated against the coronavirus. Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released on Friday says that unvaccinated people are up to 11 times likelier to die of COVID-19 than people who've gotten a jab.

Nationwide, about 54% of the US population is fully vaccinated against the coronavirus, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

"I'm fatigued, and I am heartsick and I'm tired of watching people suffer needlessly and die of a disease that could have been prevented by a simple and safe and effective vaccine," Linder said. "I don't want to watch my patients' families suffer with the grief of this and also the guilt if they played some role in their family member's decision not to be vaccinated."

https://news.yahoo.com/doctor-says-death-imminent-woman-143430079.html

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #479 on: September 11, 2021, 11:22:23 PM »
^ Did you struggle this much with all of your required vaccines, or just this one?
I didn't have much of a choice with any of the others.

I don't really know what else to tell you guys, but I guess I'm going to die on this hill either figuratively or literally. 

I'll post again when the antibody test results are in.
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