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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2021, 02:54:59 PM »



a) 1/4 to 1/3 of hospital patients w/ covid19 got it after they went to the hospital
b) For the majority of hospital patients w/ covid19 , they are not at the hospital because of covid19
c) Vaccines reduce the likelihood of infections, they do not prevent it
d) Anti virals have long been used to treat a wide variety of viruses.   Not only do they help defeat active infections, they leave the patient laregly immune from future infections from the virus.    Vaccinations are not the only means for ending Covid19.


It's clear that there are some people who have not taken the vaccination.  If we truely cared about protecting them - or hell, ourselves - we'd have a conversation about what we can do to address that.

a) What vaccination strategies can we implement for encouraging but not bribing people to take a vaccination?

b) For those eschewing a jab, can we use this as an opportunity for phase 3 testing of several safe, effective anti-virals?

c) What can hospitals do to mitigate the virus from spreading in their hospital?  N95s + P100s?  There are several studies showing use of those almost 100% stops the spread of covid19 infections in hospital staff.  The few cases that do occur appear in all likelihood.  Why aren't local hospitals acting on this information?

d) Do people think it's only about age?   ~85% of deaths w/ covid19 have been people over age 65.  Maybe younger people are rationalizing tehy're not at risk.  Some of them really are not; they're at high risk.    Running around jabbing teenagers makes for great press but it's pretty wasteful.   But we need to find ways get those at high risk, people in their 20s with Type 1 diabetes, obese people in their 30s, people w/ asthma in their 40s, anyone with heart problems, et al. 

e) How do we get LTC workers to vaccinate? 

There's a lot than can be done.  Sitting around doing the same ol, same whinging and pontificating about if you don't take the Facui Juice you're killing granny may make y'll feel good, but it does jack shit to help solve the problems at hand.  You're preaching to the choir. 


So what can be done?   We've known since last dec / Jan that LTC workers as a whole were against getting vaccinated.  And here we are 7 - 8 months later and..... we're still at square one with them.   While a few facilities have required vaccinations ( some arguably doing it for PR and gving easy outs for workers, btw ), the state - hell most states in the US - are full of LTCs w/ maybe 10 or 28% of workers vaccinated.

And this is important because we know with these - like with hospitals - viruses can spread fast and --- most importantly -- they spread quickly in the facility VIA THE WORKERS.  Not a hundred percent.  But it's the diff between spreading fast in a couple days and half the residents dieing and it being contained to a handful of cases.

There's some interesting things to learn, ideas to be explored, et al.   Are y'll up for it?  Or y'll just hear to peacock about, trying to impress the choir?

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2021, 03:49:01 PM »
^Here's a simple idea: Trump, Republicans, and conservative media could join the effort to get people vaccinated.

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2021, 04:12:13 PM »

And one they never like to share ---> how many patients w/ covid19 did not have covid19 when they came to the hospital.


This is a serious disease.   Get serious about how y'll look at it.  The chicken little crap is getting people killed.

Are YOU vaccinated?

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2021, 04:13:45 PM »



a) 1/4 to 1/3 of hospital patients w/ covid19 got it after they went to the hospital
b) For the majority of hospital patients w/ covid19 , they are not at the hospital because of covid19
c) Vaccines reduce the likelihood of infections, they do not prevent it
d) Anti virals have long been used to treat a wide variety of viruses.   Not only do they help defeat active infections, they leave the patient laregly immune from future infections from the virus.    Vaccinations are not the only means for ending Covid19.


It's clear that there are some people who have not taken the vaccination.  If we truely cared about protecting them - or hell, ourselves - we'd have a conversation about what we can do to address that.

a) What vaccination strategies can we implement for encouraging but not bribing people to take a vaccination?

b) For those eschewing a jab, can we use this as an opportunity for phase 3 testing of several safe, effective anti-virals?

c) What can hospitals do to mitigate the virus from spreading in their hospital?  N95s + P100s?  There are several studies showing use of those almost 100% stops the spread of covid19 infections in hospital staff.  The few cases that do occur appear in all likelihood.  Why aren't local hospitals acting on this information?

d) Do people think it's only about age?   ~85% of deaths w/ covid19 have been people over age 65.  Maybe younger people are rationalizing tehy're not at risk.  Some of them really are not; they're at high risk.    Running around jabbing teenagers makes for great press but it's pretty wasteful.   But we need to find ways get those at high risk, people in their 20s with Type 1 diabetes, obese people in their 30s, people w/ asthma in their 40s, anyone with heart problems, et al. 

e) How do we get LTC workers to vaccinate? 

There's a lot than can be done.  Sitting around doing the same ol, same whinging and pontificating about if you don't take the Facui Juice you're killing granny may make y'll feel good, but it does jack shit to help solve the problems at hand.  You're preaching to the choir. 


So what can be done?   We've known since last dec / Jan that LTC workers as a whole were against getting vaccinated.  And here we are 7 - 8 months later and..... we're still at square one with them.   While a few facilities have required vaccinations ( some arguably doing it for PR and gving easy outs for workers, btw ), the state - hell most states in the US - are full of LTCs w/ maybe 10 or 28% of workers vaccinated.

And this is important because we know with these - like with hospitals - viruses can spread fast and --- most importantly -- they spread quickly in the facility VIA THE WORKERS.  Not a hundred percent.  But it's the diff between spreading fast in a couple days and half the residents dieing and it being contained to a handful of cases.

There's some interesting things to learn, ideas to be explored, et al.   Are y'll up for it?  Or y'll just hear to peacock about, trying to impress the choir?


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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2021, 04:49:48 PM »



a) 1/4 to 1/3 of hospital patients w/ covid19 got it after they went to the hospital
b) For the majority of hospital patients w/ covid19 , they are not at the hospital because of covid19
c) Vaccines reduce the likelihood of infections, they do not prevent it
d) Anti virals have long been used to treat a wide variety of viruses.   Not only do they help defeat active infections, they leave the patient laregly immune from future infections from the virus.    Vaccinations are not the only means for ending Covid19.


It's clear that there are some people who have not taken the vaccination.  If we truely cared about protecting them - or hell, ourselves - we'd have a conversation about what we can do to address that.

a) What vaccination strategies can we implement for encouraging but not bribing people to take a vaccination?

b) For those eschewing a jab, can we use this as an opportunity for phase 3 testing of several safe, effective anti-virals?

c) What can hospitals do to mitigate the virus from spreading in their hospital?  N95s + P100s?  There are several studies showing use of those almost 100% stops the spread of covid19 infections in hospital staff.  The few cases that do occur appear in all likelihood.  Why aren't local hospitals acting on this information?

d) Do people think it's only about age?   ~85% of deaths w/ covid19 have been people over age 65.  Maybe younger people are rationalizing tehy're not at risk.  Some of them really are not; they're at high risk.    Running around jabbing teenagers makes for great press but it's pretty wasteful.   But we need to find ways get those at high risk, people in their 20s with Type 1 diabetes, obese people in their 30s, people w/ asthma in their 40s, anyone with heart problems, et al. 

e) How do we get LTC workers to vaccinate? 

There's a lot than can be done.  Sitting around doing the same ol, same whinging and pontificating about if you don't take the Facui Juice you're killing granny may make y'll feel good, but it does jack shit to help solve the problems at hand.  You're preaching to the choir. 


So what can be done?   We've known since last dec / Jan that LTC workers as a whole were against getting vaccinated.  And here we are 7 - 8 months later and..... we're still at square one with them.   While a few facilities have required vaccinations ( some arguably doing it for PR and gving easy outs for workers, btw ), the state - hell most states in the US - are full of LTCs w/ maybe 10 or 28% of workers vaccinated.

And this is important because we know with these - like with hospitals - viruses can spread fast and --- most importantly -- they spread quickly in the facility VIA THE WORKERS.  Not a hundred percent.  But it's the diff between spreading fast in a couple days and half the residents dieing and it being contained to a handful of cases.

There's some interesting things to learn, ideas to be explored, et al.   Are y'll up for it?  Or y'll just hear to peacock about, trying to impress the choir?
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2021, 05:23:56 PM »
I’ve had enough of posts like the above. This is not a place to downplay this illness. People are getting sick and dying needlessly. Any future comments of that nature will be deleted.
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2021, 06:00:15 PM »
If everyone would simply get vaccinated, we could put Covid behind us.  Just like polio, whooping cough, measles, chicken pox, TB, smallpox, etc.  Stop thinking of all the reason why people don't get shots, and think about being on lock down, wearing masks forever, ventilators, IC wards, and death.  Get your flippin' shots.
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2021, 06:17:53 PM »
Nearly 20 percent of the nation’s new coronavirus infections are now happening in Florida alone, The Hill reports.

Currently, the state is reporting an average of 29 new infections for every 100,000 people per day — more than four times the national average.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/563402-white-house-florida-accounts-for-20-percent-of-all-new-covid-infections
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2021, 07:22:45 PM »
The anti-vaxxers are pretty much costing the entire country, and especially the economy,  a chance to get back to being completely normal.

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« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2021, 08:18:09 AM »
The anti-vaxxers are pretty much costing the entire country, and especially the economy,  a chance to get back to being completely normal.

Yep. And when we do have to go back to masks and 1/2 capacity and lockdowns, etc. they will blame Fauci and Biden instead of themselves.
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2021, 09:41:00 AM »
The United States recorded 79,310 new cases of COVID-19, more than any other country in the world, according to Johns Hopkins University.

The soaring number matches the level hit in October 2020, a record at the time, though it would not remain so for long.

The Week quotes a WHO epidemiologist: “We’re getting further away from the end of the pandemic.”

https://theweek.com/news/1002717/who-epidemiologist-were-getting-further-away-from-the-end-of-covid-19-pandemic
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2021, 10:56:25 AM »
^Here's a simple idea: Trump, Republicans, and conservative media could join the effort to get people vaccinated.
It is a simple idea and I agree... it's too simple though. There are many cohorts and communities not in that group that are refusing or reluctant to be vaccinated. Leaders of these groups need to be more convincing to get them vaccinated.
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2021, 11:02:34 AM »
The FDA also needs to show a stronger sense of urgency with moving the vaccines past emergency use authorization. Once that happens more people will be required to get it, such as the military.

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2021, 11:26:34 AM »
^Here's a simple idea: Trump, Republicans, and conservative media could join the effort to get people vaccinated.
It is a simple idea and I agree... it's too simple though. There are many cohorts and communities not in that group that are refusing or reluctant to be vaccinated. Leaders of these groups need to be more convincing to get them vaccinated.

Cynically, I'm surprised they're not the biggest advocates for vaccination. I thought Trump would be all over people getting the "Trump vaccine", positioning it as his accomplishment and taking as much credit as possible for "single handedly " defeating the pandemic despite the "fearmongering" from Fauci, scientists, and you know...reality in general.

I don't really care if it's complete crap, if it encourages people to get vaccinated, good. It's a shame they've chosen to sell out the incredible achievement of the vaccine instead, and I'm not even sure it was politically savvy to do so. Lose-lose.

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« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2021, 11:47:49 AM »
Pretty sure Trump just does it out of spite.