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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2021, 04:31:24 PM »

Obviously, there is a correlation between cases and hospital admissions and deaths.

Spare us the "obviously".  That's not factual. 

Looks at the UK right now.  Their covid19 cases have been going up while hospitalizations and deaths have barely bugged.



That said, the reason you won't produce those numbers is you don't have those numbers.  And without those numbers you are doing nothing more than speculating.  That's your prerogative.   But your opinion ain't being factual.

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2021, 04:37:12 PM »
That said, the reason you won't produce those numbers is you don't have those numbers.  And without those numbers you are doing nothing more than speculating.  That's your prerogative.   But your opinion ain't being factual.

Thanks for saying it better than I could.

There's no facts or hard numbers in this thread.
"COVID cases jumped 100% in X location" sounds scary, but it doesn't mean much if the case count went from 1 to 2 now, does it? REAL HARD numbers matter, a "spike" or a "percentage increase" lacks any context to denote the real severity of a situation.

This thread is fearmongering for no reason. Get your vaxx to protect yourself, outside of a self-imposed lockdown, there's not much you can do, because you can't change other people's minds

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2021, 04:44:20 PM »
That said, the reason you won't produce those numbers is you don't have those numbers.  And without those numbers you are doing nothing more than speculating.  That's your prerogative.   But your opinion ain't being factual.

Thanks for saying it better than I could.

There's no facts or hard numbers in this thread.
"COVID cases jumped 100% in X location" sounds scary, but it doesn't mean much if the case count went from 1 to 2 now, does it? REAL HARD numbers matter, a "spike" or a "percentage increase" lacks any context to denote the real severity of a situation.

This thread is fearmongering for no reason. Get your vaxx to protect yourself, outside of a self-imposed lockdown, there's not much you can do, because you can't change other people's minds

No problem if you want to believe where there is smoke there is no fire.  And, if you want statistics to be more transparent, please call the governor and ask him to publicly release them on a timely basis.  You are playing into his hands when you asked for them knowing they are not widely available for the sole purpose of supporting doubters like yourselves.

Just to tweak you a bit more, here is another article pointing out that NE Florida is a "leader" in COVID's resurgence:

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Why are more people testing positive in the Jacksonville area?
Northeast Florida may be done with COVID-19, but the novel coronavirus isn’t done with the Jacksonville region.

Rates of positive tests throughout the region are among the highest in the state.

The most recent weekly tallies from Florida’s Department of Health, released last week, show the region well ahead of the rest of the state in case counts and incidence going into the Fourth of July Weekend.

From June 25 to July 1, Duval County reported 1,420 cases, with an 11.1% positive test rate.

That is the highest proportion of positive tests of any major metro in the state.
For context, Miami-Dade and Broward are each below 4%, Palm Beach just over 4%, and Orange County at 5.3%. Hillsborough, which includes Tampa, was at 5.7%.


Duval, where 47% of residents have been vaccinated, and an additional 16.5% have had the virus, is not alone among Northeast Florida counties facing rates of positive tests far higher than the 5.2% state average.

Baker County, which includes MacClenny, had more cases (57) than vaccinations (50) during the reporting period. The county also saw a 16.4% positive testing rate, among the highest in the state, over the same week.

Just 28% of Baker County residents have had a shot, while 22.4% have had the disease itself.

The other counties in the region saw variations on the same theme, with low vaccination rates coinciding with a viral surge.


To the west of Baker, Bradford County saw a 13.4% positive test rate over the same week. Only 42% of its residents have been vaccinated.


In Clay County, 41% of residents have had a shot. Its positive test rate was 10.2%.

Nassau County saw a 13.2% positive test rate. Compared to many counties in the region, its 49% vaccination rate is robust....


https://floridapolitics.com/archives/438958-covid-19-bounces-back-in-northeast-florida/
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2021, 11:58:39 AM »
This article adds some hospital "facts" to the thread:

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As more and more cases of the Delta variant of COVID-19 crop up nationwide, health experts in Jacksonville say they’re seeing a growing number of infections linked to the variant.

The concern for an infectious disease expert at UF Health Jacksonville is that the Delta variant, which has become the dominant strain of COVID-19 in the U.S., is making patients sicker than before and shows no signs of tapering off anytime soon.

“It’s the perfect storm that we’re seeing and, unfortunately, it does not look like it’s going away,” said Chad Neilsen, director of infection prevention for UF Health Jacksonville, which has seen its number of COVID-19 patients double recently.

As of Monday, UF Health was caring for 60 people who were infected with COVID-19, 23 of whom are in the intensive care unit and half of whom are on ventilators. The hospital suspects that 15 other patients are infected, but tests are pending.

That’s compared to 133 patients infected with COVID-19 at Baptist Health’s facilities in the area, 35 of whom are in the ICU.

“We have no doubt that these patients are coming in with the Delta variant of the virus, which is known to spread faster and in some cases be more severe,” Neilsen said of UF Health Jacksonville’s patients.

New infections have spiked in Florida, which reported 23,697 new cases in its weekly situational report last week. That’s nearly double the number of new infections the state reported the week before. Of the new cases, Jacksonville had 2,127, surpassing 2,000 cases in a week for the first time since February.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/07/12/delta-variant-creating-perfect-storm-in-jacksonville-expert-warns/

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2021, 04:57:17 PM »
More "fearmongering" for the young.  Get that damn shots...

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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. – In an email sent to Baptist Health employees last week, hospital leaders warned of a resurgence in new cases of the coronavirus and said new patients requiring intensive care in recent days are “shockingly young.”

“We recently lost one patient under age 40,” said the email that was obtained by News4Jax.


https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/07/13/internal-email-covid-19-patients-in-baptist-health-icu-shockingly-young/
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« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2021, 07:32:29 PM »
Tennessean's fearful of fear mongering should be happy.  In this age of the internet, their Republican legislators are trying to keep vaccine information from teens by firing their medical director for vaccine-preventable diseases.  This in a state with only a 38% vaccination rate (making Jax look good?) and adjacent to Missouri and Arkansas that have some of the worst outbreaks in the country right now. 

I bet the teens know more about vaccines and probably a lot of other subjects (drugs? sex? rock n' roll?) these (at best) naive legislators have no idea about.  There is nothing like telling a child they can't do something to motivate them to do it.

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The top vaccine official for the state of Tennessee said Monday she was fired after an argument over vaccinating children against coronavirus.

Now Dr. Michelle Fiscus, a pediatrician who has served as the state's medical director of the vaccine-preventable diseases and immunization for two years, said she is afraid for the people of her state -- which is already lagging in vaccination against the virus.

"It is just astounding to me how absolutely political and self-centered our elected people are here and how very little they care for the people of Tennessee," Fiscus told CNN in a telephone interview.

"The people of Tennessee are going to pay a price."....

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/12/health/tennessee-vaccine-manager-fired/index.html

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2021, 08:13:23 PM »
Unbelievably stupid... It's another confirmation that I made the correct decision...
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« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2021, 09:46:58 AM »
This article adds some hospital "facts" to the thread:

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As more and more cases of the Delta variant of COVID-19 crop up nationwide, health experts in Jacksonville say they’re seeing a growing number of infections linked to the variant.

The concern for an infectious disease expert at UF Health Jacksonville is that the Delta variant, which has become the dominant strain of COVID-19 in the U.S., is making patients sicker than before and shows no signs of tapering off anytime soon.

“It’s the perfect storm that we’re seeing and, unfortunately, it does not look like it’s going away,” said Chad Neilsen, director of infection prevention for UF Health Jacksonville, which has seen its number of COVID-19 patients double recently.

As of Monday, UF Health was caring for 60 people who were infected with COVID-19, 23 of whom are in the intensive care unit and half of whom are on ventilators. The hospital suspects that 15 other patients are infected, but tests are pending.

That’s compared to 133 patients infected with COVID-19 at Baptist Health’s facilities in the area, 35 of whom are in the ICU.

“We have no doubt that these patients are coming in with the Delta variant of the virus, which is known to spread faster and in some cases be more severe,” Neilsen said of UF Health Jacksonville’s patients.

New infections have spiked in Florida, which reported 23,697 new cases in its weekly situational report last week. That’s nearly double the number of new infections the state reported the week before. Of the new cases, Jacksonville had 2,127, surpassing 2,000 cases in a week for the first time since February.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/07/12/delta-variant-creating-perfect-storm-in-jacksonville-expert-warns/


Facts with no perspective nor pertinent information:

a) How many dedicated ICU beds are there?
b) How many normally have a patient on a ventilator ( hint it's pretty common w/out covid19; that's why dedicated ICU beds have the equipement )
c) How many of them have the Brazil Variant?  The India Variant?
d) What is the age break down for all patients w/ covid 19?


Someone under 40, while isn't common, is par for course w/ this virus and other viruses.   

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2021, 10:06:26 AM »

And one they never like to share ---> how many patients w/ covid19 did not have covid19 when they came to the hospital.


This is a serious disease.   Get serious about how y'll look at it.  The chicken little crap is getting people killed.

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2021, 10:43:46 AM »

And one they never like to share ---> how many patients w/ covid19 did not have covid19 when they came to the hospital.


This is a serious disease.   Get serious about how y'll look at it.  The chicken little crap is getting people killed.

Are YOU vaccinated?
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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2021, 11:10:21 PM »
Facts with no perspective nor pertinent information:

a) How many dedicated ICU beds are there?
b) How many normally have a patient on a ventilator ( hint it's pretty common w/out covid19; that's why dedicated ICU beds have the equipement )
c) How many of them have the Brazil Variant?  The India Variant?
d) What is the age break down for all patients w/ covid 19?


Someone under 40, while isn't common, is par for course w/ this virus and other viruses.

You know darn well most of those types of statistics are not readily available to the public, especially at the county level.  If you think they are, please gather the info and share it with us, citing your sources.  Note the comment about such info in the last sentence in the article below.

I think the public messages from our medical community, led by the hospitals, is validation enough that we have a serious problem here that is getting worse by the day.  All my hospital "friends" in the know say 99% of COVID cases they see are from the unvaccinated.  It really amounts to plain laziness, lack of education or a stubborn and unfounded denial of the facts. 

Regardless, these people are endangering not just themselves but all of us (1) given a select number of  those vaccinated can still become a carrier or suffer lighter symptoms, (2) that the unvaccinated provide a field upon which the virus can more likely mutate creating even more dangerous strains, some possibly evading current vaccines, (3) that with the unvaccinated clogging our hospitals the rest of us may not be able to get the quality and/or timely care for other serious health issues and (4) that the economic toll on society created by the unvaccinated's medical care and lost productivity is borne by all of us.

Our largest hospital system is reacting currently per the below:

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In just one day, COVID-19 cases at Jacksonville hospitals have seen a notable increase, News4Jax learned Wednesday.

Now, hospitals are pulling back on some surgeries previously scheduled for other patients.

Hospitals said most of the new patients are much sicker than those seen during the peak of the pandemic. The majority, health officials say, have the Delta variant.

Doctors said the recent outbreak of coronavirus cases is getting worse and they want local residents to take precautions because in many cases there are no longer mask or social distancing mandates around Florida.

At Baptist Health the hospital beds are filling up with coronavirus patients.

As of Wednesday morning, 179 people were hospitalized and 33 were in the ICU. That’s a 23% increase over Tuesday when 145 people were hospitalized.

“We are working with our surgeons to manage the number of elective surgical procedures that require overnight admission to the hospital,” Baptist Health wrote in a statement to News4Jax. “It is very important to note that many patients are still able to have their procedures as originally scheduled, while others who have been contacted by their surgeon will be given a new surgery date.”

At UF Health Jacksonville there is a similar problem.

In one day, the hospital saw a 15% increase in COVID-19 patients. It now has 70 patients with 20 in the ICU, and there are another 40 in the hospital suspected of having the coronavirus.


UF Health has not canceled or postponed surgeries yet, but it could happen soon.

“Day by day we’re having meetings with our surgeons to review whether or not we need to pause elective surgeries,” said Chad Neilsen, Director of Infection Prevention and Control at UF Health.

Neilsen said most of those coming into the hospital have the Delta variant and he is worried many of them may not be walking out.

“It’s also going to increase our numbers of COVID mortalities because when those numbers in the hospital rise that is followed normally by a two-week period of mortality,” he said.

News4Jax also checked with other hospitals that have been reluctant to release information about their COVID-19 numbers.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/07/14/baptist-health-puts-some-surgeries-on-hold-as-covid-19-cases-jump-23-in-one-day/

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Re: COVID Again Rampant in Jax
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2021, 11:13:52 AM »
No more denialism or anti-vax statements in this thread, please.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

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« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2021, 01:08:04 PM »

And one they never like to share ---> how many patients w/ covid19 did not have covid19 when they came to the hospital.


This is a serious disease.   Get serious about how y'll look at it.  The chicken little crap is getting people killed.

Are YOU vaccinated?

Hmmm... not surprising... no answer in two days.  Better wear a mask dude...
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« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2021, 06:58:08 PM »
The below speaks for itself.  The real "fear mongering" is from those creating fear of the vaccines or undermining fear of the seriousness of COVID 19.

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The U.S. Surgeon General Is Calling COVID-19 Misinformation An 'Urgent Threat'

With about a third of adults in the U.S. still completely unvaccinated, and cases of COVID-19 on the rise, the U.S. surgeon general is calling for a war against "health misinformation."

On Thursday, Dr. Vivek Murthy released the first surgeon general's advisory of his time serving in the Biden administration, describing the "urgent threat" posed by the rise of false information around COVID-19 — one that continues to put "lives at risk" and prolong the pandemic.

Murthy says Americans must do their part to fight misinformation....

.....In many cases, false information about the vaccines feeds that hesitancy. According to polling from the Kaiser Family Foundation, two-thirds of unvaccinated adults either believe vaccine myths or are unsure about whether they are true. Murthy says that means misinformation is literally putting lives at risk.

"Every life that is lost to COVID-19 when we have vaccines available, is a preventable tragedy," Murthy says....
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/07/15/1016013826/the-u-s-surgeon-general-is-calling-covid-19-misinformation-an-urgent-threat

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« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2021, 06:31:28 PM »
Florida leads the nation now in COVID cases and NE Florida leads Florida.  Draw your own conclusions about the seriousness of this outbreak here.
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Nearly 20 percent of the nation's new coronavirus infections are now happening in Florida alone, according to a White House official.

Cases are rising across the nation as a whole as the more transmissible delta variant spreads but are concentrated in areas with low vaccination rates.

"Just four states accounted for more than 40 percent of all cases in the past week, with 1 in 5 of all cases occurring in Florida alone," White House COVID-19 coordinator Jeff Zients told reporters during a briefing Friday.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/563402-white-house-florida-accounts-for-20-percent-of-all-new-covid-infections

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New COVID-19 cases in the state of Florida have nearly doubled since the previous week.

This week’s coronavirus report shows that there are 45,603 new cases within the state, nearly double the 23,562 cases the week before.

The report also shows that the statewide positivity rate is at 11.5%, higher than the 7.8% last week.

Charts from the Florida Department of Health show the number of new cases has steadily increased since mid-June, while the number of coronavirus vaccine doses being given has decreased.

Since March 1, 2020, over 11 million people in the state of Florida have been vaccinated. In total, 127,459 have been vaccinated this week.

The highest number of new cases come from 30-39-year-olds, with 8,965 new cases in that age range.

https://www.wesh.com/article/new-covid-19-cases-florida-double/37051099