COVID Again Rampant in Jax

[Downtown Osprey]

Here's some fear mongering for you:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/florida-republican-james-ring-covid_n_60e77808e4b0b9a790b70f84


What a dumb ass. "President of the Lakeland GOP."  I believe it.

No need for name calling

[MusicMan]

It's not name calling. It's an accurate description.  The vaccine is free, Sites were set up all over THE COUNTRY, including Florida, for administering it. It took 15 minutes. He's a dumb ass.

Its killed 600,000 people.  He's a dumb ass.

Here's another one for ya:  Trump.  Said emphatically, over and over and over again, in public with cameras rolling: "Nobody knows the tax code better than me. Nobody."
Lying dumb ass.
 

[Tacachale]

Enough.

[bl8jaxnative]

Also, if you want to be patronizing and correct someone's word use, spell "chicken littleism" correctly.

Well played.    Cheers

[bl8jaxnative]

I'm still stunned that Florida's major public universities have not required all students and faculty to be vaccinated. A major fail that I assume was brought about because of university administrators' fear of DeSantis and the Florida "Lege."

Florida law and an executive order from the governor prohibit state universities, government agencies and businesses from requiring proof of vaccination.

Even without such a thing at a state level such a requirement is legally questionable. 

We have safe, viral treatments that could if implemented in mass, wipe this virus out.   Following the current vaccination path could be ( or is? )  quickly allowing this thing to become endemic amongst humans.

One of the concerns should be is that we're talking about vaccines the way folks in the 1960s talked about antibiotics.

We have more than just a hammer and a square peg. Our public leaders need to start acting accordingly.

[marcuscnelson]

If we can't convince people to take 15 minutes to get a free vaccine, what are the odds of convincing them to take whatever other viral treatment there is?

I'm a bit confused about your second portion. Are you trying to say that we're over-prescribing vaccines? Or that there's a large portion of the population that isn't completing the course of the vaccine?

[Snaketoz]

It's like you couldn't get enough fearmongering on the mainstream news, so you decided to start posting your own on the forum.

This thread sucks

Are you serious?

[WAJAS]

Even without such a thing at a state level such a requirement is legally questionable. 

We have safe, viral treatments that could if implemented in mass, wipe this virus out.   Following the current vaccination path could be ( or is? )  quickly allowing this thing to become endemic amongst humans.

One of the concerns should be is that we're talking about vaccines the way folks in the 1960s talked about antibiotics.

We have more than just a hammer and a square peg. Our public leaders need to start acting accordingly.

How is the requirement legally questionable? Other vaccinations are already required for college, primary/secondary schools, and some businesses, including cruising.

[jaxlongtimer]

It's like you couldn't get enough fearmongering on the mainstream news, so you decided to start posting your own on the forum.

This thread sucks

It's not fear mongering, it's sharing a factual situation.  This desire to spin a fact is what is wrong with dialogue today.  COVID is not a political issue, it's reality.  To deny it is foolish.

How and where would you suggest this topic be discussed?  Based on my conversations with lots of people, many think the COVID epidemic is behind us, have never heard of the Delta variant and are no longer monitoring COVID's presence in the community.  Based on that, I don't think we can publicize the facts too many times or in too many places. 

If you find the facts inconvenient or don't want to confront them, just ignore the discussion.

[MusicMan]

Try working in any one of our local hospitals without a lengthy and comprehensive list of vaccinations.  My wife is doing some part time in-patient work at Mayo and they wanted her complete vax records.  DeSantis is an effing disaster.

[BridgeTroll]

Try working in any one of our local hospitals without a lengthy and comprehensive list of vaccinations.  My wife is doing some part time in-patient work at Mayo and they wanted her complete vax records.  DeSantis is an effing disaster.

Pretty normal stuff if you want to work in a hospital...

[jaxlongtimer]

Local infectious disease doctor affirms spike in local hospital admissions mainly due to the highly contagious Delta variant.  Article notes that less than half of Jax is vaccinated, which is 10% less than the average for Florida and far less than much of the rest of the U.S.  Jax is setup for a major wave if vaccinations don't quickly increase here.

No fear mongering, just the facts.

Dr. Mohammed Reza, a Jacksonville infectious disease specialist, said he is seeing an increase in hospital admissions because of COVID-19 infections.

“A pretty dramatic increase,” Reza told News4Jax on Sunday. “It’s just been so daunting the amount of the work we are having to do. Last night, I worked a 14-hour shift, and we saw close to 17 admissions into the hospital.”

Reza said the uptick is driven mostly by the delta variant.

“It’s almost like that alpha variant, like the variant in the U.K. (United Kingdom) on steroids. This variant is 40 to 60 times more transmissible, and it divides more rapidly when people do have this virus. This was the variant initially found in India,” Reza explained.

Reza said a local lab is conducting tests on COVID-19 cases.

“They sequenced about 17 people who have this virus in the Jacksonville area, and 15 of those came back positive for the delta variant -- the more contagious variant,” Reza said.

When asked whether he’s fearful there will be another wave of COVID-19 infections, Reza said: “This is kind of where we see the disconnect of what we are seeing in the hospitals and the rest of the community, and everybody catching up to it to some extent.”

He added: “Hence why my colleagues are exhausted, sick literally from this virus. We are seeing a good number of first line people getting infected with this variant too, and it’s people who are fully vaccinated. That’s the concerning part.”

Reza said a large number of area hospital admissions are people who have not been vaccinated.

In Florida, according to the state Department of Health, 58% of the population age 12 and older has had at least one COVID-19 shot. In Duval County, the Florida Department of Health said, 48% of the population age 12 and older has had at least one COVID-19 shot.

“My recommendation at this point is to use judgement, get vaccinated first and foremost,” Reza said. “In Duval County, we are a very low rate of overall vaccination.”

Reza encourages people to get vaccinated and to continue to wear masks when among crowds in confined areas.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/07/11/jacksonville-infectious-disease-doctor-seeing-increase-in-hospital-admissions-due-to-covid-19/

[bl8jaxnative]

It's not fear mongering, it's sharing a factual situation. 

Well, if this is about facts then :

a) How many hospital beds in Florida?
b) How many hospital beds in Florida currently have a patient with covid19?
c) How many hospital beds in Florida currently have a patient that is there because of covid19?
d) A breakdown of A + B  + C  by covid19 variant, age, and comorbidity

[jaxlongtimer]

It's not fear mongering, it's sharing a factual situation. 

Well, if this is about facts then :

a) How many hospital beds in Florida?
b) How many hospital beds in Florida currently have a patient with covid19?
c) How many hospital beds in Florida currently have a patient that is there because of covid19?
d) A breakdown of A + B  + C  by covid19 variant, age, and comorbidity

Obviously, there is a correlation between cases and hospital admissions and deaths.  That said, we live in a state where our governor has limited available COVID info.  For now, I offer articles like the below to add to direct testimony posted previously from those who work in or with local hospitals.  Continue to deny if you wish.

New coronavirus cases leaped in Florida in the week ending Sunday, rising 51.4% as 23,747 cases were reported. The previous week had 15,684 new cases of the virus that causes COVID-19.

Florida ranked third among the states where coronavirus was spreading the fastest on a per-person basis, a USA TODAY Network analysis of Johns Hopkins University data shows. In the latest week coronavirus cases in the United States increased 47.5% from the week before, with 136,187 cases reported. With 6.45% of the country's population, Florida had 17.44% of the country's cases in the last week. Across the country, 43 states had more cases in the latest week than they did in the week before....

....Within Florida, the worst weekly outbreaks on a per-person basis were in Baker, Nassau and Bradford counties. Adding the most new cases overall were Miami-Dade County, with 4,371 cases; Duval County, with 2,139 cases; and Broward County, with 2,136. Weekly case counts rose in 64 counties from the previous week. The worst increases from the prior week's pace were in Miami-Dade, Duval and Orange counties.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2021/07/12/leon-county-florida-covid-19-cases-surge-62-percent-july-12-2021/117481554/

[bl8jaxnative]

If we can't convince people to take 15 minutes to get a free vaccine, what are the odds of convincing them to take whatever other viral treatment there is?

Americans spent 1/2 a TRILLION on prescription drugs last year.   They have no issues with taking drugs.

I'm a bit confused about your second portion. Are you trying to say that we're over-prescribing vaccines? Or that there's a large portion of the population that isn't completing the course of the vaccine?

For generations we have treated viruses with anti viral drugs.     We should stop acting as though vaccinations is the only way to end this virus.

In fact, if we've indeed hit a vaccination ceiling,  they're the only option we have to try to snuff out the virus.

Also keep in mind there are a couple new, different vaccines close to coming onto the market.  IIRC this includes a pill form.

Lastly, remember, that 10-15% of Floridians have had and recovered from covid19.  Because of it, their immunity to is as good if not better than any of the vaccines.