Author Topic: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?  (Read 15393 times)

Peter Griffin

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 352
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2021, 01:55:14 PM »
If "keeping my head in the sand" means "not jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions" then ok.

Bonus points if you can somehow manage to pin this decision on Trump, then you'd REALLY be winning bogeyman bingo!

CityLife

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2014
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2021, 02:06:04 PM »
Turns out it wasn't Desantis's decision, and his office has told FDOT to allow them to remain, even though they apparently are not properly permitted.

vicupstate

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3650
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2021, 02:21:43 PM »
Turns out it wasn't Desantis's decision, and his office has told FDOT to allow them to remain, even though they apparently are not properly permitted.

Translation: The heat was turned up so they they reversed course. 

Does this sound like the kind of politician that is 'above' purposeful division, trolling and vindictiveness?

 https://twitter.com/Politics1com/status/1402689217361182724?s=20
"The problem with quotes on the internet is you can never be certain they're authentic." - Abraham Lincoln

Charles Hunter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3512
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2021, 03:24:16 PM »
The "not properly permitted" apparently refers to the color patterns included on the original plans (at link within WJXT article: https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/06/09/acosta-bridges-rainbow-lights-will-be-back-on-tonight/?utm_source=facebook ), and summarized in the article:
Quote
Notably, the patriotic scheme is listed as approved but neither the Trevor Lawrence Clemson color scheme nor the Autism Acceptance Month color scheme was listed in the approved schematics in JTA’s permit, which includes color schemes for the Jaguars (teal), Breast Cancer Awareness (pink), New Year’s (amber), St. Patrick’s Day (green), Christmas (red and green), Halloween (orange and black), Thanksgiving (orange and black), Valentine’s Day (red and pink) and Easter (purple, yellow, green and pink).
The WJXT list omitted "Patriotic (red, white, and blue)"

Here are the planned colors for June, with my note about whether it is "permitted" based on the list above:
Quote
Here was the schedule as it was planned:

June 7-13: Pride Month -- Rainbow  [Not Permitted]
June 18: Sickle Cell Awareness -- Red    [Not Permitted]
June 19: Juneteenth -- Red, Black and Green   [Not Permitted]
June 20-24: PTSD Awareness Month -- Teal  [Not Permitted]
June 25-27: 100th Anniversary of the Acosta Bridge opening -- Yellow and Acosta Blue   [Not Permitted]

    July 1-4: Independence Day Holiday Week -- Red, White and Blue
So, the only color scheme "permitted" is the Independence Day Holiday Week.

=========
Edited to add (had a prior appointment to attend to, mid-post)

Will the FDOT District (or main office, or the governor) tell JTA to turn off any of these "unpermitted" displays? Did they turn off the Trevor Lawrence colors? The choice to shut down this particular display, following so soon after the Governor's two anti-LGBTQ actions on June 1 and 2 - the first two days of Pride Month - leads to suspicions about motives and actors.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2021, 05:32:11 PM by Charles Hunter »

Peter Griffin

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 352
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2021, 03:52:52 PM »
Turns out it wasn't Desantis's decision, and his office has told FDOT to allow them to remain, even though they apparently are not properly permitted.

Vindicated

Translation: The heat was turned up so they they reversed course. 

Does this sound like the kind of politician that is 'above' purposeful division, trolling and vindictiveness?

 https://twitter.com/Politics1com/status/1402689217361182724?s=20

Speculation, moving the goal posts, 15 yard penalty


Tacachale

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8054
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2021, 09:29:48 PM »
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

jaxlongtimer

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1298
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2021, 11:11:20 PM »
Made national and international news.  Comments on forums suggest that potential tourists are getting turned off on visiting an unwelcoming Florida.  Death by a thousand knife cuts.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/09/acosta-bridge-desantis-lgbtq-florida/

      https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rainbow-lights-florida-bridge-marking-pride-month-turned-back-after-n1270266

      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ron-desantis-pride-acosta-bridge-florida-b1862529.html

      https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/557659-florida-to-allow-rainbow-lights-on-city-bridge-for-pride-month-after

And, Nate Monroe weighs in with comments echoing posts on this thread:

Quote
...Does a middling bureaucrat in FDOT respond frantically to "several complaints" about a Pride display if the governor were someone who hadn't shown such antipathy toward gay and transgender people? Does some engineer in this technical agency blow up the phones of a JTA official if the governor were someone who didn't welcome every opportunity to fight a culture war? DeSantis sets the tone.

So no mistake: It's perfectly clear who bears responsibility for this latest embarrassment.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/columns/nate-monroe/2021/06/09/nate-monroe-attacking-acosta-bridge-pride-display-desantis-incompetent-cruel/7622359002/?itm_medium=recirc&itm_source=taboola&itm_campaign=internal&itm_content=RightRailArticleThumbnails-Redesign
« Last Edit: June 09, 2021, 11:52:20 PM by jaxlongtimer »

BridgeTroll

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14008
  • The average person thinks he isnt
    • London Bridge Pub
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2021, 01:14:44 AM »
By now you have made it perfectly clear that you don’t like DeSantis.

Got it…
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

vicupstate

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3650
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2021, 07:37:37 AM »
DeSantis has proven multiple times that he is PURPOSELY divisive and is clearly feeding outrage 'red meat' to the MAGA base all in the name of cultural warfare. The consequences be damned. He has earned no 'benefit of the doubt' in matters such as this. An elected official can deny after the fact they did or did not do anything. Those that know the truth have the greatest interest in carrying their water.  Pay NO attention to what is SAID, only to what is DONE. NOTHING in politics just happens. Somebody somewhere made it happen.     
"The problem with quotes on the internet is you can never be certain they're authentic." - Abraham Lincoln

vicupstate

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3650
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2021, 07:59:54 AM »
https://twitter.com/NateMonroeTU/status/1402741297547448321?s=20

Quote
Hey guys, per
@KatherineMLewin
 - those "several complaints" that prompted FDOT to force JTA to take the pride lights down (contrary to the "permitting" excuse provided earlier in the day)? Wouldn't ya know it, they were all phone calls and they took no information down.

So there is no evidence that even ONE call was actually made.

"The problem with quotes on the internet is you can never be certain they're authentic." - Abraham Lincoln

JeffreyS

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5931
  • Demand Evidence and Think Critically.
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2021, 09:09:28 AM »
DeSantis has proven multiple times that he is PURPOSELY divisive and is clearly feeding outrage 'red meat' to the MAGA base all in the name of cultural warfare. The consequences be damned. He has earned no 'benefit of the doubt' in matters such as this. An elected official can deny after the fact they did or did not do anything. Those that know the truth have the greatest interest in carrying their water.  Pay NO attention to what is SAID, only to what is DONE. NOTHING in politics just happens. Somebody somewhere made it happen.     

Well said
Lenny Smash

Charles Hunter

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3512
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2021, 09:26:23 AM »
https://twitter.com/NateMonroeTU/status/1402741297547448321?s=20

Quote
Hey guys, per
@KatherineMLewin
 - those "several complaints" that prompted FDOT to force JTA to take the pride lights down (contrary to the "permitting" excuse provided earlier in the day)? Wouldn't ya know it, they were all phone calls and they took no information down.

So there is no evidence that even ONE call was actually made.



I believe there were angry phone calls. Jacksonville is a very conservative area - remember how hard it was to get LGBTQ protections into the City's Human Rights Ordinance.

CityLife

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2014
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2021, 10:08:16 AM »
https://twitter.com/NateMonroeTU/status/1402741297547448321?s=20

Quote
Hey guys, per
@KatherineMLewin
 - those "several complaints" that prompted FDOT to force JTA to take the pride lights down (contrary to the "permitting" excuse provided earlier in the day)? Wouldn't ya know it, they were all phone calls and they took no information down.

So there is no evidence that even ONE call was actually made.

Thousands of people call state and local government agencies in Florida every day with anonymous code complaints or concerns. There is no information to take down if someone wants to remain anonymous. Someone wouldn't say, "hi this is Bubba Johnson at 224 Bigot Road, Baldwin, Florida. I would like to report an issue with Jacksonville's bridge lighting. Here is my phone number, I would like to be called when there is a resolution". What would actually happen, is some group would send an email blast out to their followers and ask them to call FDOT and complain. Said government agency would then be flooded with calls and the agency would feel pressure to take action.

Could there have been no calls made? Sure. The fact that no notes were taken is an absolute non-story.

Tacachale

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8054
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2021, 10:21:47 AM »
^I also believe there were angry phone calls. I also believe they're smart enough to realize there would be a huge blowback. So why do it?

Two other FDOT districts also denied Pride lights. The governor has also repeatedly inserted his office into local decision making and made hay of homophobic and transphobic stances this Pride Month. I doubt this would have happened if not for the tone set at the top.
Do you believe that when the blue jay or another bird sings and the body is trembling, that is a signal that people are coming or something important is about to happen?

Peter Griffin

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 352
Re: DeSantis Politicizing FDOT?
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2021, 10:56:44 AM »
I doubt this would have happened if not for the tone set at the top.

Speculative and unsubstantiated

Not gonna change your mind, though, that's fine. The lights are back on.