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Re: Commuter Rail's Return?
« Reply #75 on: July 08, 2022, 08:18:20 PM »
Lol a horse would get you there faster and a carriage would carry more people.
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Re: Commuter Rail's Return?
« Reply #76 on: July 08, 2022, 11:31:39 PM »
LOL, JTA planning "commuter AV's" to St. Augustine?

You joke, but they do want to run AVs as a circulator system in St. Augustine, which the city has included in its mobility plan. However, as recently as a year ago in an engineering report the technology was declared “not mature enough for an early implementation phase.”

Yet apparently JTA feels it is mature enough for revenue service.
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Re: Commuter Rail's Return?
« Reply #77 on: July 08, 2022, 11:42:01 PM »
If we were on the ball, we'd be moving Amtrak back downtown, then go from there: potential additional Amtrak routes, Brightline, etc. Then we'd know what other rail needs we may have. This project seems like thinking in a silo and spending research money on an project that's unlikely to happen.

JTA did include this in their Strategic Plan:

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Integrated Passenger Rail Service

Bring together all rail service in Jacksonville to the Downtown rail terminal. Work with passenger railroads (e.g., Amtrak) to co-locate railroad service.

It’s “scheduled for implementation” in FY26 and only shows a budget of $100k (not including the $3.4m that is officially just for JRTC terminal PD&E but they keep claiming is actually for the entire commuter rail corridor), and I haven’t seen any evidence of them engaging Amtrak other than Amtrak updating their intercity proposal to include the station (which isn’t necessarily JTA’s doing). So yeah, issue of money not going where mouths are.
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Re: Commuter Rail's Return?
« Reply #78 on: July 17, 2022, 09:55:55 PM »
Last week, JTA gave another presentation to the St. Augustine City Commission about the proposed rail project, I’ve trimmed down to the relevant segment and uploaded it here:

https://youtu.be/zDQroqNWZV8
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Re: Commuter Rail's Return?
« Reply #79 on: July 18, 2022, 09:47:26 AM »
Thanks for sharing. Didn’t realize 95 expansion was starting this year. Avenue Mall station needs more consideration than surface lot. Sure Racetrack will be the same. Not sure why the clown cars are part of this as if they are everywhere.

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Re: Commuter Rail's Return?
« Reply #80 on: July 18, 2022, 10:59:44 AM »
From the video, "we done decades of research on this." I feel like this perfectly describes Jacksonville projects. 2-3 decades of research and studies, followed by inaction or project that was funded on decades old data and ultimately gets budgetized into a failure.

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Re: Commuter Rail's Return?
« Reply #81 on: July 27, 2022, 01:27:50 AM »
Feature article now in the Times Union covering the future of commuter rail, mainly between Jacksonville and St. Augustine with stops at the current convention center/Union Station/JTA Intermodal Hub, the Avenues, Race Track Road and King Street at US 1.  Comments from a wide range of transportation officials with JTA saying it possibly being be built out between 2030 and 2040.

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How about a commute by train between downtown Jacksonville and historic St. Augustine? It's possible

....As the Florida Department of Transportation embarks on a project to add a new northbound and southbound lane to Interstate 95 in Duval and St. Johns counties, the Jacksonville Transportation Authority says a dedicated commuter rail line between them is needed as well...

....Now a $1 million Federal Transit Administration grant is funding a commuter train development study. Additionally, $3.9 million is earmarked from the city's Local Option Gas Tax for JTA's Preliminary Engineering and National Environmental Policy Act study on a rail terminal next to its LaVilla headquarters. A preliminary engineering and environmental review is planned in 2025 or 2026....

....The JTA calls the commuter rail "an ideal mobility enhancement," the average rail commute time comparable to driving: an estimated 48 minutes from downtown Jacksonville to St. Augustine, trains running from 5 a.m. to just before 10 p.m. daily....

....Florida East Coast already has 100 feet of right of way on its freight line between Jacksonville and St. Augustine, mostly a single track with switches and some double track segments, JTA said.

"It is FEC's right-of-way and we have to work with them to be able to use it. But they have enough right-of-way for four lanes of traffic," Clark said. "... Tri-Rail and SunRail have encouraged us to do as much dedicated track as we possibly can to limit the cross-traffic of any other rail service.".....

.....Clark said the estimated 37 miles of track and commuter rail stops could come in 2030 to 2040. The estimated cost would come when the full planning, development and environmental study formulates a potential design and some "real numbers."

Final funding would have to be sought via a partnership between the JTA, local, state and federal stakeholders and "railroad partners," he said.
 
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/business/transportation/2022/07/26/first-coast-commuter-rail-would-connect-jacksonville-st-augustine-florida/10095395002/

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Re: Commuter Rail's Return?
« Reply #82 on: July 27, 2022, 06:40:24 AM »
2040? I thought it was mentioned that it could happen within three to five years? We've been talking about this since at least 2005 or so. That's 25 to 35 years to go from concept to reality....

Let's hope Amtrak or Brightline can do something on the FEC years before 2030 to 2040.
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Re: Commuter Rail's Return?
« Reply #83 on: July 27, 2022, 06:42:38 AM »
The comment of final funding coming from "railroad partners" is interesting.  The railroad isn't going to fund anything unless they are making money off of it.  I wonder if they are investigating structuring this as some sort of PPP with FEC or Brightline.

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Re: Commuter Rail's Return?
« Reply #84 on: July 27, 2022, 11:40:28 AM »
With a timeline of 2030 to 2040, this would basically piggyback whatever Amtrak and Brightline would likely do prior to this. If either of those entities do something along the FEC, infrastructure enhancements would have to be included as a part of their project. For example, I'm pretty sure the Amtrak corridor service plan could likely include some funding assistance for at least two (DT Jax and St. Augustine) of the four identified commuter rail stations. Other than that, I don't expect a rail entity like FEC to fund anything. If anything, they'd want compensation to allow passenger rail to operate on their property.
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