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Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« on: December 30, 2020, 11:36:57 AM »
With still a couple of days left in 2020, Jacksonville has set a new record in the number of homicides with 172, topping 2019's record year of 158 homicides.  According to First Coast News, fewer than half of these cases have been solved. Today's New York Times, reported, "And as December drew to a close, New York’s 447 homicides made 2020 the city’s bloodiest year in nearly a decade."
For perspective, the NYC rate is 5.0 homicides per 100,000 population, while Jacksonville's is 18.9 per 100,000 - more than three times the New York City rate.

The Mayor and Sheriff ran their campaigns based on they were the only ones who could fix the horrible Jacksonville crime rate.  There were 117 homicides in Jacksonville in 2014, the year before Curry and Williams were first elected.  Based on the 2014 population (852,560) the rate was 13.38 homicides per 100,000, giving us an increase of 41% in the rate.

New York Times (probable paywall, sorry) https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/29/nyregion/nyc-2020-crime-covid.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20201230&instance_id=25507&nl=the-morning&regi_id=64320713&segment_id=48043&te=1&user_id=0c44450cfeac062dfee4a51ae00d10bd

First Coast News https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/crime/one-homicide-per-two-days-in-deadliest-year-on-for-jacksonville-killings/77-ea6967ee-1ad4-4694-8b79-1cab7519ca19

Fla. Times-Union  https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20191231/2019-was-jacksonvillersquos-deadliest-year-in-decades-these-charts-show-just-how-bad-year-got

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Re: Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2020, 05:07:38 PM »
Oh, the irony.  He ran on a "stop the murder rate" platform.

The two biggest expenditures from Curry's time in office are/will be JSO and Lot J.  He is/will be a failure on both and such will be his legacy.  Along with the big bust when the deferred pension payments he arranged start coming due on top of the ridiculous 401(k) matches he obligated the City to pay to the police and fire pension funds (why do you think they agreed to give up their pensions?!).

Time will not judge Curry's administration kindly.

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Re: Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2020, 06:51:01 PM »
With still a couple of days left in 2020, Jacksonville has set a new record in the number of homicides with 172, topping 2019's record year of 158 homicides.  According to First Coast News, fewer than half of these cases have been solved. Today's New York Times, reported, "And as December drew to a close, New York’s 447 homicides made 2020 the city’s bloodiest year in nearly a decade."
For perspective, the NYC rate is 5.0 homicides per 100,000 population, while Jacksonville's is 18.9 per 100,000 - more than three times the New York City rate.

The Mayor and Sheriff ran their campaigns based on they were the only ones who could fix the horrible Jacksonville crime rate.  There were 117 homicides in Jacksonville in 2014, the year before Curry and Williams were first elected.  Based on the 2014 population (852,560) the rate was 13.38 homicides per 100,000, giving us an increase of 41% in the rate.

New York Times (probable paywall, sorry) https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/29/nyregion/nyc-2020-crime-covid.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20201230&instance_id=25507&nl=the-morning&regi_id=64320713&segment_id=48043&te=1&user_id=0c44450cfeac062dfee4a51ae00d10bd

First Coast News https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/crime/one-homicide-per-two-days-in-deadliest-year-on-for-jacksonville-killings/77-ea6967ee-1ad4-4694-8b79-1cab7519ca19

Fla. Times-Union  https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20191231/2019-was-jacksonvillersquos-deadliest-year-in-decades-these-charts-show-just-how-bad-year-got

Crazy. As of 30 December, London has 122. London's population is about 9 million, whereas Jacksonville's population is about 1 million. That's not a great look for Jax, tbh.
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Re: Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2020, 10:48:03 PM »
Oh, the irony.  He ran on a "stop the murder rate" platform.

The two biggest expenditures from Curry's time in office are/will be JSO and Lot J.  He is/will be a failure on both and such will be his legacy.  Along with the big bust when the deferred pension payments he arranged start coming due on top of the ridiculous 401(k) matches he obligated the City to pay to the police and fire pension funds (why do you think they agreed to give up their pensions?!).

Time will not judge Curry's administration kindly.

By the time Time does judge his administration, we'll have long suffered with the consequences of it. I don't know how much solace there will be in Time's judgement.
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Re: Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2020, 10:16:21 AM »
Oh, the irony.  He ran on a "stop the murder rate" platform.

The two biggest expenditures from Curry's time in office are/will be JSO and Lot J.  He is/will be a failure on both and such will be his legacy.  Along with the big bust when the deferred pension payments he arranged start coming due on top of the ridiculous 401(k) matches he obligated the City to pay to the police and fire pension funds (why do you think they agreed to give up their pensions?!).

Time will not judge Curry's administration kindly.

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Re: Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2020, 02:04:54 PM »
Crazy. As of 30 December, London has 122. London's population is about 9 million, whereas Jacksonville's population is about 1 million. That's not a great look for Jax, tbh.

Natal - is a simlar sized city jacksonville - and has a murder rate 5 times that of Jacksonville.

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Re: Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2020, 02:36:22 PM »
Crazy. As of 30 December, London has 122. London's population is about 9 million, whereas Jacksonville's population is about 1 million. That's not a great look for Jax, tbh.

Natal - is a simlar sized city jacksonville - and has a murder rate 5 times that of Jacksonville.

Yeah, let's compare the USA and Brazil. Why not set the bar even lower?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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Re: Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2021, 01:01:20 PM »
John Peyton can breath a sigh of relief that he is no longer the city's worst mayor in modern times.

tbh, I think that had been determined by 2015

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Re: Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2021, 12:08:01 PM »
Not again...we consistently fail to bring home the Homicide Capital of the Year award.  I know our determined denizens will make us proud one day.  Bless their hearts.

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Re: Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2021, 01:49:20 PM »
Crazy. As of 30 December, London has 122. London's population is about 9 million, whereas Jacksonville's population is about 1 million. That's not a great look for Jax, tbh.

Natal - is a simlar sized city jacksonville - and has a murder rate 5 times that of Jacksonville.

Yeah, let's compare the USA and Brazil. Why not set the bar even lower?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Picking London for a comparison was ignorant.

Jacksonville's seen what?   A 15% increase in homicides from 2019 to 2020?   Compare that to other US cities:

Chicago - ~75%
Austin - ~70%
Phoenix - ~30%
Seattle - ~80%; all time high record murder rate
NYC - ~35%
Atlanta - ~250%   --- ya, almost 3 times as high, brought to you courtesy of the Lance-Bottoms Sh8tsh8w
Minneapolis - ~80%
St. Louis - ~25% but overall rate at 50 year high
Philadelphia - ~30%


there's plenty more.  Jacksonville has too much third world violence.  Relative to other major US cities in 2020, it's done pretty good.

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Re: Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2021, 02:14:41 PM »

BTW - If Curry campaigned on it - which he did - he deserves to be heald to that.  Just keep in mind many of y'll may not be happy with them doing what it takes to lower that #.



BTW, here's one online source claiming to be accurate and up to date as of Dec 26th.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z9b5mIwztAwmEHJW7Q5DHMjS14-Rs7XIXOt33Al_rDw/edit#gid=1757262194

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Re: Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2021, 02:18:30 PM »
Crazy. As of 30 December, London has 122. London's population is about 9 million, whereas Jacksonville's population is about 1 million. That's not a great look for Jax, tbh.

Natal - is a simlar sized city jacksonville - and has a murder rate 5 times that of Jacksonville.

Yeah, let's compare the USA and Brazil. Why not set the bar even lower?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Picking London for a comparison was ignorant.

Jacksonville's seen what?   A 15% increase in homicides from 2019 to 2020?   Compare that to other US cities:

Chicago - ~75%
Austin - ~70%
Phoenix - ~30%
Seattle - ~80%; all time high record murder rate
NYC - ~35%
Atlanta - ~250%   --- ya, almost 3 times as high, brought to you courtesy of the Lance-Bottoms Sh8tsh8w
Minneapolis - ~80%
St. Louis - ~25% but overall rate at 50 year high
Philadelphia - ~30%


there's plenty more.  Jacksonville has too much third world violence.  Relative to other major US cities in 2020, it's done pretty good.

Was it? I am from Jax and I have lived in London for the past 14 years. I chose it as a comparison for that reason - two cities I call home.

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Re: Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2021, 03:35:30 PM »

BTW - If Curry campaigned on it - which he did - he deserves to be heald to that.  Just keep in mind many of y'll may not be happy with them doing what it takes to lower that #.



BTW, here's one online source claiming to be accurate and up to date as of Dec 26th.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z9b5mIwztAwmEHJW7Q5DHMjS14-Rs7XIXOt33Al_rDw/edit#gid=1757262194

That source lists Jacksonville as having 139 in 2020, yet the article in the first post of the thread has it as 172 in 2020.

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Re: Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2021, 03:55:37 PM »
The difference is between "homicides" and "murders"
From the article that was the source for the 172 homicides, and I suspect the "158 shootings" in the article is incorrect, as I am pretty sure not all of the murders were by gun.
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The 172 homicides in 2020 surpasses 2019’s mark of 158 shootings, with three days left in the year. According to the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office homicide tracker, 139 murders have occurred in Jacksonville with some killings pending classification.
https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/crime/one-homicide-per-two-days-in-deadliest-year-on-for-jacksonville-killings/77-ea6967ee-1ad4-4694-8b79-1cab7519ca19

From an article a year ago about the then-record 158 homicides in Jacksonville, a paragraph explaining the difference
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Murders and homicides are not the same thing. It’s complicated, but for statistical purposes, murders include the intentional killing of a human. Homicides include murders but also include killings through negligence. Homicides do not include justifiable killings, such as self-defense.
https://www.jacksonville.com/news/20191231/2019-was-jacksonvillersquos-deadliest-year-in-decades-these-charts-show-just-how-bad-year-got

And to confuse the issue even more, the legal definitions are different (from the second article)
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This statistical definition is different from the legal definition of murder. In Florida, for example, defendants are charged with murder if someone dies during the commission of certain crimes, even if the person charged with murder didn’t actually kill the other person. For example, if police accidentally shot and killed an innocent bystander while trying to apprehend a robber, the robber would be charged with murder. Florida also classifies drug overdoses as murders. For statistical purposes, Florida and the federal government don’t count those as murders.

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Re: Jacksonville 2020 - New Homicide Record
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2021, 12:28:48 PM »

I'd have to look back but there were something like 770 shootings in Jacksonville in 2020.   Maybe the JSO stat reflects total number of shots?  I didn't think it did. 

More importantly, keep in mind for murders, there can be pressure to rule homicides a suspicious death ( or something like that ) instead of murder to keep the numbers down.