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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2020, 09:22:28 PM »
What they'll hopefully have by mid-2021 is a final conceptual design at best.  The article mentioned what will come next in the design phase:

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Mayor Lenny Curry’s administration budgeted an additional $2 million for the Landing by fiscal year 2021-22 for preengineering, engineering and landscape work on the Landing’s public space.

If we're lucky, there will be a final design sometime in 2022-2023. Before construction will start, there will still be a need to allocate construction funds in the budget. For a decent urban park, that could be upwards of $20 to $50 million. St. Pete's Pier cost $92 million for comparison's sake. This is what I said a few days ago. I stand by it, no matter what the DIA and Mayors Office tell local media, based on person experience of being involved in projects like this in multiple cities throughout my career.


3) Call me an optimist (I totally am), but I think we'll see construction start on the new Landing before we see construction start on anything at the Sports Complex. If the park design RFP goes out on January 1st as planned, we should have a design chosen by the end of Spring that would trigger an RFP for private development of the pads. FDOT starts on the pedestrian ramp removal at the Landing site in February and plans to be wrapped by end of summer. I don't think it's inconceivable that we see major work underway at the Landing by early-to-mid 2022.

You're an optimist. Early 2022 is 13 months away. Nothing will be breaking ground that quick when the RFP for what amounts to a conceptual design competition hasn't even gone out. If any transparent amount of public engagement is included, that alone will stretch out the schedule by a couple of months at the minimum. We haven't even addressed allocating a good $50 million in the budget to pay for a decent space, getting council approval to spend that type of money, time associated with DDRB reviews, permitting with various agencies, etc.

Based on this most recent article, we'd be lucky if the engineering level design phase will even be underway by early 2022.
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2020, 12:20:05 AM »
^Keep in mind that, back in 2017, I thought the Trio would be complete, the Landing would be redeveloped, and the Shipyards would be under construction by end of 2020 ;D

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2020, 12:34:33 AM »
I'd have to go back and look it up but I feel we're a year behind with current Landing RFP talk. I recall this was something Hughes and Boyer claimed at one point that would take begin in early 2020.
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2020, 01:55:42 AM »
What they'll hopefully have by mid-2021 is a final conceptual design at best.  The article mentioned what will come next in the design phase:

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Mayor Lenny Curry’s administration budgeted an additional $2 million for the Landing by fiscal year 2021-22 for preengineering, engineering and landscape work on the Landing’s public space.

If we're lucky, there will be a final design sometime in 2022-2023. Before construction will start, there will still be a need to allocate construction funds in the budget. For a decent urban park, that could be upwards of $20 to $50 million. St. Pete's Pier cost $92 million for comparison's sake. This is what I said a few days ago. I stand by it, no matter what the DIA and Mayors Office tell local media, based on person experience of being involved in projects like this in multiple cities throughout my career.

To top it off, this will likely (even if it shouldn't) be competing with Metro Park (once NPS approves a move) for funding. I get a bad feeling that Jacksonville of all places isn't about to drop big money on two urban riverfront parks, which means one is probably going to get short-changed.

Or worse, that neither are decent urban riverfront parks.
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2021, 02:22:57 PM »
DIA to start search Jan. 20 for firms to design park at former Jacksonville Landing site

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/dia-to-start-search-jan-20-for-firms-to-design-park-at-former-jacksonville-landing-site
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2021, 06:56:37 PM »
RFP specifically notes supplementary buildings and features in addition to the two smallish development pads flanking the property, so hopefully the finished product ends up looking like something closer to the 2015 Wakfield Beasley plan designed by experienced professionals, and less like the 2018 Lenny's Lawn plan designed by Brian Hughes on the back of a cocktail napkin.

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2021, 09:22:18 PM »
I'm still wondering why we aren't using that plan we already paid for? Is it because it's a Brown administration and Sleiman associated product?
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2021, 10:55:22 PM »
This stinks like a skunk in a pickle barrel. If they build a park there, it will be permanent, and nothing else will be planned or built there like the Landing, or whatever! It stinks!
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2021, 11:25:40 PM »
I'm still wondering why we aren't using that plan we already paid for? Is it because it's a Brown administration and Sleiman associated product?

You never know.

If you’re petty enough to sink Sleiman’s redevelopment efforts at the Landing, bully him out of his long-term lease, and bulldoze the property in part just to settle a political feud against Sleiman for appearing in a campaign ad with Alvin Brown...

Worth stating the obvious that even Curry’s bullying is trash.

He was supposed to TAKE Sleiman’s milk money, not give him his own.

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2021, 05:02:37 PM »
https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/three-national-firms-selected-in-former-landing-park-design-competition

Three firms selected.

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• Agency Landscape + Planning LLC of Cambridge, Massachusetts. The company’s work includes phase one of the 10-acre Bay Park in Sarasota and the 2015 Downtown Experience plan in Raleigh, North Carolina.

• Olin Partnership Ltd. of Philadelphia. Olin is designing a 1.2-mile stretch of riverfront in Alexandria, Virginia, and in 1991 designed Bryant Park’s restoration in New York City.

• Perkins & Will Inc. of Chicago. The company’s work includes historic Emancipation Park in Houston and Waterfront Botanical Gardens in Louisville, Kentucky. 

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DIA officials want the firm selected to have its design complete by Oct. 1, then the city will bid construction and break ground on the park in early 2022.

Boyer said Feb. 4 that the timeline would allow for construction costs to be included in the city’s 2021-22 fiscal year budget.

DIA officials want the public park under construction before private development begins on two pads which city documents show on the northwest and northeast corners of the site.

So we'd be looking at nearly three years since closing to start construction on the replacement park. Which is still before they actually start working on development.
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2021, 06:58:53 PM »
If they break ground on construction of the park space in early 2022, that will be something. I wonder if there is a cap on the anticipated construction cost?
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2021, 07:26:00 PM »
Only Jacksonville could make such a lengthy process out of grass, trees and benches.

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2021, 08:37:29 PM »
I wonder if there is a cap on the anticipated construction cost?

It sounds like we'll know on the 26th.
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2021, 10:34:08 PM »
Two of the shortlisted firms have very strong national/global resumes for downtown and waterfront projects. So do a few firms that didn't make the cut.

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2021, 10:51:31 PM »
So what your saying is that we'll select the firm that doesn't?