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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #45 on: April 02, 2021, 11:11:02 AM »
^Ultimately, some personnel changes in city hall will be needed. History has proven time and time again that downtown revitalization decisions will be tainted and influenced by things that simply aren't needed at the expense, but added and implemented via personal opinion of decision makers that may not be best qualified to make said decisions. Don't become a cheerleader or get overly optimistic with the future without better understanding the past or seeing change with that dynamic. With that said, try not to be pessimistic but definitely be realistic and don't hesitate to slap the big cups of kool aid being passed out, right out of people's hands.

From a realistic perspective, it's the non sexy, non newspaper headline grabbing policy stuff that is worthy of celebration. Like the incentives update to the historic preservation trust fund. We haven't had the same number of demolitions proposed in the Northbank since that went through. If anything, we should extend the Downtown National Register Historic District to cover adjacent historic areas like LaVilla, so those property owners will have an inclusive and equitable opportunity as well.

In addition, if the gas tax is passed, the local revenue generated from the move is the transformative and game changing element. Yet, there's still tons of work to do to make sure we're not wasting the revenue on foolish projects while not properly funding the right projects. The Landing site would be an example of this. If we want this to be iconic, it's way too early to restrict the cost to something that peer cities throw into regular neighborhood parks. If we want a Bean, then we need to know the cost of the Bean and be willing to throw a similar number into the budget for that item. If we want an iconic park, we need to take a look at spaces we consider to be iconic and be willing to provide funding in a similar price range for a space of our own.

If we're not willing to drop $50MM to $100MM, then let's stop using the word iconic, because we simply aren't getting there if that definition applies to a comparison of similar spaces in peer communities. By the same token, it's also foolish to throw hundreds of millions into moving the jail, when those funds could literally 100% buildout a quality of life project like the Emerald Trail, restore Springfield Park, resolve the convention center dilemma now or give you a real centralized iconic public park to cluster around.
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #46 on: April 07, 2021, 01:14:24 PM »
I'd like to start a movement to relocate the orange T-rex statue to the Landing site. This would be the strategic silver bullet move that checks all the boxes.

✔ iconic
✔ unique
✔ public art
✔ engaging
✔ sense of place
✔ pedestrian scale
✔ regional attraction
✔ catalyst for investment
✔ surprisingly low upfront costs

Beach Boulevard sucks. This needs to be it's new home.

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #47 on: April 07, 2021, 11:57:34 PM »
I'd like to start a movement to relocate the orange T-rex statue to the Landing site. This would be the strategic silver bullet move that checks all the boxes.

✔ iconic
✔ unique
✔ public art
✔ engaging
✔ sense of place
✔ pedestrian scale
✔ regional attraction
✔ catalyst for investment
✔ surprisingly low upfront costs

Beach Boulevard sucks. This needs to be it's new home.

Not gonna lie, I don't hate this idea.

Not necessarily for the Landing, but it'd be fun to have the T-Rex on the river somewhere for all the reasons you listed above.

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2021, 12:07:47 AM »
^Might add that a dinosaur is a metaphor for the current state of Downtown  ;D.

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2021, 08:18:15 AM »
^Might add that a dinosaur is a metaphor for the current state of Downtown  ;D.

Part of the reason why I love it  ;D

At least we can blame the endless rubble, blighted buildings, and countless surface lots on an extinction event.

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #50 on: April 08, 2021, 11:58:34 AM »
Should make it a Godzilla statue and we can just blame him for razing half of downtown....

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #51 on: April 08, 2021, 12:13:29 PM »
I think Godzilla is Curry's spirit animal

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #52 on: April 08, 2021, 03:57:56 PM »
I'd like to start a movement to relocate the orange T-rex statue to the Landing site. This would be the strategic silver bullet move that checks all the boxes.

✔ iconic
✔ unique
✔ public art
✔ engaging
✔ sense of place
✔ pedestrian scale
✔ regional attraction
✔ catalyst for investment
✔ surprisingly low upfront costs

Beach Boulevard sucks. This needs to be it's new home.

✔ Rename the former Landing site "JURASSIC PARK"

These brilliant ideas are all free of charge, btw. I need to be on someone's marketing payroll.

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #53 on: April 09, 2021, 11:23:27 AM »
Agency Landscape + Planning had a tent at the Jax River Jams concert last night and were engaging people on what type of amenities they'd like to see in a park at the former Landing site. You can call or text 539-3826 to leave recommendations

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #54 on: May 25, 2021, 10:36:06 PM »
In response to Hidden Jacksonville's post on Instagram regarding the former Landing site, DDRB board member Matt Brockelman commented:

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There is a big announcement coming June 1 that encompasses this site as well as the riverfront areas on the east side of the Main Street Bridge. I think a lot of people following this will be excited. Stay tuned

Should be interesting...

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #55 on: May 25, 2021, 11:45:28 PM »
Hopefully it won't get too overshadowed by the statewide political announcement that same day.

And hopefully whatever it is makes some degree of sense.

And is reasonable.

And happens.
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #56 on: May 26, 2021, 12:09:47 AM »
What's strange - and classicly Jacksonville - is that three design firms have been given a largely blank space to work with and have until the end of June to finish concepting.

Would be pretty batty to undercut them at this point with a pivot in direction.

Hoping it's either an announcement having to do with a solid, quality plan for the private development pads, or news of a major donation for the park space.

Not at all suggesting this is it, but there have been some rumors lately that the Jags have started to warm slightly to the idea of development outside of the immediate sports complex.



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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #57 on: May 26, 2021, 12:30:56 PM »
Steve Atkins is making a big presentation on the first about "Riverfront Jacksonville: A comprehensive $1B+ master plan".  I'm guessing that announcement will include something for the landing site.

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2021, 11:03:45 PM »
Please forget about Parks and Park space. I hope it has to do with a solid entertainment type of development with residential and some office. Another destination and "place to go" like the Landing was, but better and have more to offer. I know, pipe dream(s), and, it will take a while if this has nothing to do with a park or park space (and I hope not).
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #59 on: May 26, 2021, 11:17:28 PM »
First Coast News just had a story about how the Former Landing Site is now a field of brown weeds and dirt.  The City says they "maintain" the lot 24 times a year, and did not respond to questions from FCN about whether there is an irrigation system. The reporter said she spent time walking around the lot and did not see any sprinkler heads.

Who could have predicted that the City wouldn't maintain the lot, and it would turn into dirt and/or weeds?  [well, me for one]