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fsu813

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #330 on: January 23, 2023, 11:52:01 AM »
Fyi ~

Riverfront 2025: A Look Ahead

Co-hosted by Build Up Downtown, Riverfront Parks Now, Jessie Ball duPont Fund and COJ/DIA.

February 8th, 5-8pm at WJCT Studios the Main Library.

Eventbrite ~ https://riverfront2025.eventbrite.com
Facebook ~ https://fb.me/e/42gij0ezf
LinkedIn ~ https://www.linkedin.com/events/riverfront2025-alookahead7023144253673340928/

Will be limited to 200 attendees, registration required. Going to update all the various projects, both public & private, going on near the Downtown riverfront. Q&A included.
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #331 on: January 24, 2023, 07:28:47 PM »
Please note that the venue of the Riverfront 2025: A Look Ahead event on Feb 8th has been moved to the Main Library, which can accommodate more people.

The original location ran out of seating in 24 hours (a great sign of interest).

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #332 on: February 08, 2023, 11:58:59 AM »
Any idea if the main presentation will be streamed, or in-person only?

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« Reply #333 on: February 08, 2023, 12:06:38 PM »
Any idea if the main presentation will be streamed, or in-person only?

Yes, it's at capacity again. So if you don't have a ticket yet, there will be a Zoom option as well (if you register).

Should be interesting. Definitely worth the price of admission, at least.

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #334 on: February 08, 2023, 02:35:31 PM »
Any idea if the main presentation will be streamed, or in-person only?

Yes, it's at capacity again. So if you don't have a ticket yet, there will be a Zoom option as well (if you register).

Should be interesting. Definitely worth the price of admission, at least.

Thanks!

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #335 on: February 08, 2023, 05:17:16 PM »
Is the Zoom not working for anyone else?
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #336 on: February 08, 2023, 05:20:27 PM »
Is the Zoom not working for anyone else?

Maybe they're keeping the virtual access closed until the presentation is scheduled to start at 5:30. I believe 5-5:30 was just for networking.

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #337 on: February 08, 2023, 05:46:19 PM »
I didn’t make it back downtown in time.

On the Zoom, but no audio?

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #338 on: February 08, 2023, 05:52:23 PM »
Watching the Zoom now. Came on at 5:30.

Unfortunately, they did an awful job setting up for a Zoom stream. They're sharing the video stream, but not the audio stream, and whatever way they're capturing the audio from the microphone is horrible.
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #339 on: February 08, 2023, 06:47:00 PM »
So what transpired?

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #340 on: February 08, 2023, 07:09:19 PM »
It's still going on. They ended up just muting the stream so most people stopped watching, although they're still sharing slides.

So far the presentation has largely run through some lovely renderings of a bunch of planned parks, and unfortunately I find it hard to take any of it with more than a grain of salt. They're calling this event Riverfront 2025 but I can't help but doubt that timeline already. If they've mentioned a price tag I haven't heard it yet.
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #341 on: February 08, 2023, 07:15:43 PM »
It just ended.
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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #342 on: February 08, 2023, 08:25:33 PM »
I gave up around 6 when it became apparent the audio wasn't coming back. What I saw was not very informative.

For anyone who attended in person -- was there any substantive information on the Landing park?

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #343 on: February 08, 2023, 08:26:22 PM »
So what transpired?

Like Marcus, I couldn't make it to the in-person meeting, so I attended via the DIA's Zoom link.

The Zoom started with 160 people watching the presentation.

Less than 10 minutes in, the audio died, nobody bothered to fix it, and about 60% of the audience that was engaged enough to register and attend via Zoom got frustrated and ultimately dropped.

I did stick around and watch the slide presentation though.

There wasn't much context without audio, and the slides themselves contained no hard numbers or timelines.

Absolutely no private development was covered during the presentation (unless it was spoken to), only parks.

Parks covered included:

1) Artist's Walk.

They showed the same renders that have been floating around for about a year (https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/renderings-released-for-new-skate-park/77-039b72e6-574f-46a6-a331-3f28813efdde). Unless it was voiced over, no estimated completion date was mentioned.

2) Music Heritage Park (Times-Union Center)

Same render shown that's been floating around in one form or another for at least two years (https://downtownjacksonville.org/poi/performing-arts-center-music-commons/). Still in planning stages. No timeline for completion, only that it's in the same "planning stages" that it's seemingly been in since 2018.

3) Riverfront Plaza (Landing Park)

Nearly identical to the latest render that I posted on here a few weeks ago that had the children's play area shifted north. Probably the most notable thing to me from the entire presentation tonight was that the Civic Building doesn't seem to have been removed from the park after all, but rather, based on the newest design, it looks like the destination kids play space is on top of the Civic Building. So, essentially, the two areas of the park have been combined into one to free up more lawn space. The new set of renders doesn't look quite as bad as I feared from a value engineering perspective, but I do question how they build what's proposed for only $25 million.

4) Shipyards West

Hard to grasp the vision without audio, but they showed some very early, conceptual designs, including stuff like a restaurant, food hall, kayak launch, sanded beach, etc. I liked the direction, but same as above, I can't imagine you can build what was proposed for $20 million. I'm also glad that even though the Orleck will be a feature at the Western end of the park, we don't appear to be centering the entire park around a risky bet that the Orleck is still there in 10 years.

5) Met Park

Totally ignored, unless I somehow missed it. It was on the agenda, but not in the presentation. Also no mention of the Flex Field at Daily's Place, which will be turned over to the city as park space as early as August.

6) Rivers Edge/District Park.

High concept, sprawling, multi-part park renders were shown, encompassing a Northeastern portion, a Central Park, and a marshfront park surrounding a billion dollar mega-development that hasn't come out of the ground since 2018. This one in particular looked like a $40 million project with a $10 million budget in the incentives deal that the DIA passed. No timeline or cost noted.

7) Friendship Park.

Same fountain renders we've been seeing forever, but nothing new that I could see on what the actual St. Johns Park portion would look like.

Then the Zoom abruptly ended with no warning.

Curious to see which private developers are there, and if there is any follow-up talk on timelines or costs.

Optimist in me says that there's a lot of potential along the river if these plans come to fruition. Pessimist in me says we've been seeing a lot of these same park renders for years without anything actually opening, and it kind of felt like the DIA looking for an opportunity to dog, pony, and buy some additional goodwill while all the private development on the river stalls.

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Re: DIA wants the Landing to start with a park
« Reply #344 on: February 08, 2023, 08:40:15 PM »
My highlights

> Extraordinary response from the public. Something like 700 registered, my guess is 400-ish attended. Packed house. No idea how many were trying to watch on Zoom (audio... le sigh).

> The final, updated design of Riverfront Plaza was shown. That's supppoed to break ground just after JazzFest. The plan is for it to be the city's showpiece.

> the first Shipyards West plan was shown. This was actually a public feedback session, as well. Agency does great work, this is no exception.

> Riverfront Parks Conservancy was officially announced to the public, which will be working with COJ and stakeholders to (ideally) activate, maintain and advise on the Downtown riverfront parks and riverwalk moving forward. That's been a year in the making. Will crawl before it walks, but already has an RFP out to award a grant for riverfront activation, and was just welcomed into the Highline Network (along with the Groundwork Jacksonville/Emerald Trail). Learn more about it here:
https://riverparkjax.org/

If you just watched on Zoom, there were a dozen or so tables outside showcasing various private and private projects. Every table was swamped with people engaging.

Of note: without audio, not sure you could really understand what was going on. Unsure if it was actually recorded or not. Press was there, should be an article or two up by tomorrow AM.

Also of note: this was not discussed, but yeah, additional  funds will be requested to make the highly visible parks come to fruition as planned. And as long as Cumber or Ferarro aren't our next Mayor, there seems to be an appetite for it.

Huge thanks to DIA, Build Up Downtown, Jessie Ball DuPont Fund, Jax Parks, and Riverfront Parks Now (which I assist with) for hosting.


Optimist in me says that there's a lot of potential along the river if these plans come to fruition. Pessimist in me says we've been seeing a lot of these same park renders for years without anything actually opening, and it kind of felt like the DIA looking for an opportunity to dog, pony, and buy some additional goodwill while all the private development on the river stalls.

A version of this was being planned last summer by Build Up Downtown and Riverfront Parks Now, but the timing wasn't right (COJ budget was being formulated). Brought it up again, DIA needed to do public engagement, so timing was right.
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