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jaxlongtimer

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Re: DCPS considering move away from river
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2020, 07:34:04 PM »
How about building new on land of one of their closed schools?

One interesting property already owned by DCPS is at King Street and McCoys Creek.  They use it currently for their maintenance dept. but with the coming of the restoration of McCoys Creek and the Emerald Trail adjacent it could become very attractive for offices.  If I figured it right, it looks to be on about 19 acres and has at least one "historic" school building on it that could be a renovated/restored front for a major contemporary expansion.  It would also boost a downtrodden neighborhood, be close to a lot of inner city schools that are becoming more critical to their mission, remains somewhat geographically central to the county, would be easily accessible from Beaver Street, a short block away, on less expensive land they already own, and pays tribute to one historic/legacy school building.
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Re: DCPS considering move away from river
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2020, 08:13:32 PM »
^ This is what St. Johns County has done. Taken several of their early schools and turned them into main offices and district facilities. Although the King St. site in question seems rather far from downtown proper. Assuming the Jags don't suddenly get the bright idea to offer them a space at Lot J, I would think there should be a number of built or restorable sites downtown for them to buy if they wanted.

No idea how this would work, but one particularly bold idea would be to find a way to get MOCA to the new "museum district" at the Shipyards and see if DCPS would buy the building. Right there by City Hall, next door to the library, in the middle of it all.

If you're talking about the FBC property, the old First Baptist Academy building is right there, or the preschool building (although it being connected to the Lindsay Auditorium probably disqualifies it).

Going out to LaVilla and building near or at the School of the Arts is also an option.
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Re: DCPS considering move away from river
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2020, 08:25:09 PM »
Knowing DT needs all the help it can get with it's glut of office space in this post Covid landscape, every effort should be made to keep them downtown. Preferably into an existing space or new infill construction in a strategic site. It's not every day that someone will need more than 100k SF of office space. If you can't keep your public entities based in downtown, you shouldn't expect the private entities to be any different.
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Re: DCPS considering move away from river
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2020, 08:34:15 PM »
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Although the King St. site in question seems rather far from downtown proper. Assuming the Jags don't suddenly get the bright idea to offer them a space at Lot J, I would think there should be a number of built or restorable sites downtown for them to buy if they wanted.

FYI, from the interchange of I-95 (treating it as the county's central corridor) and Beaver Street, per Google Maps, it appears the King Street property is about 3/10th of a mile closer (i.e. about 1.6 miles) to I-95 than Lot J (about 1.9 miles).  Also, Google measurements show it is closer to the east-west center point of the county (which is actually a little further west than even King St.) than than Lot J or Downtown.

Knowing DT needs all the help it can get with it's glut of office space in this post Covid landscape, every effort should be made to keep them downtown. Preferably into an existing space or new infill construction in a strategic site. It's not every day that someone will need more than 100k SF of office space. If you can't keep your public entities based in downtown, you shouldn't expect the private entities to be any different.

I get your point and Downtown needs the help, no doubt.  But north Riverside might need it more  ;D.  If Downtown was properly managed, it would more easily attract prospects like this than the area around this closed school.  Just sayin'.  Either option is a win of sorts.

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Re: DCPS considering move away from river
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2020, 08:44:36 PM »
LOL.  Why are we even discussing DCSB  locating to King Street and McCoys creek?  Never ever going to happen. 

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Re: DCPS considering move away from river
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2020, 09:08:06 PM »
Technical High School would be a good residential adaptive reuse project. Mixontown could really use some visionary planning and policy changes right away. Without them, it will gentrify fairly quickly with the restoration of McCoys Creek.
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Re: DCPS considering move away from river
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2020, 11:39:14 PM »
LOL.  Why are we even discussing DCSB  locating to King Street and McCoys creek?  Never ever going to happen.

Its called thinking outside the box.  It may not be feasible, probable or a good idea for many reasons, but at least it stretches one's vision and pushes planners to be more creative in finding acceptable solutions.  If Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos listened to "never ever going to happen" few would ever know who they were.  The greatest opportunities are found where few others have gone before.

Look at some of the "old" buildings changing hands in the urban core lately that are being repurposed for novel new uses.  Who would expect U-Haul to put a mini-storage in a nearly 100 year old building?  Or that, around the corner, Dennis & Ives would be converting an old freezer warehouse into an office, food and entertainment complex in a traditionally industrial neighborhood?  Or that a giant candy store would move into the stuffy remains of a once prestigious men's-only club?  Or that someone would spend tens of millions to convert the aged Union warehouse in another industrial neighborhood into apartments? Or that, one day, a billionaire NFL owner (who, by the way, started his own company when his employer dissed his ideas for a better car bumper as "never ever going to happen") would want to build a near half-billion residential-office-entertainment complex on what used to be a tank farm that remains a brownfield? 

Its the old saw, there is no such thing as a bad idea.  If nothing else, as Lake noted, maybe it focuses another party to take a second look at the property for some other purpose.

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Re: DCPS considering move away from river
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2020, 12:24:42 PM »
"It does seem like a waste to have a school board building on prime property."   

Well FYI downtown Jacksonville waterfront is not considered prime property, which is why so much of it is vacant.

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Re: DCPS considering move away from river
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2020, 12:40:22 PM »
LOL.  Why are we even discussing DCSB  locating to King Street and McCoys creek?  Never ever going to happen.

Its called thinking outside the box.  It may not be feasible, probable or a good idea for many reasons, but at least it stretches one's vision and pushes planners to be more creative in finding acceptable solutions.  If Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos listened to "never ever going to happen" few would ever know who they were.  The greatest opportunities are found where few others have gone before.

Haha, don't flatter yourself Elon.  ;D

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Re: DCPS considering move away from river
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2020, 08:54:43 AM »
"It does seem like a waste to have a school board building on prime property."   

Well FYI downtown Jacksonville waterfront is not considered prime property, which is why so much of it is vacant.

The overwhelming majority of vacant waterfront property in Downtown is owned by COJ. The disposition of that land into private hands is muddled completely due to the prevailing politics of the day (going back 40 years now). 

The development of Downtown waterfront properties that are/were in private hands, is handled vastly more efficient than COJ's stewardship.