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Ken_FSU

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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2020, 04:49:19 PM »
Since Khan's development agreement for the City-owned Shipyards expired, won't the city have to issue a new RFP (or whatever the appropriate RF- is)? Need to see if anyone else is interested, how much they are bringing to the table, and how much they want from the City.

Yep.

Step 1 is to get clearance from the feds for the land swap.

Step 2 is to RFP the property.

The only reason that Lot J didn't require an RFP is because the Jags technically control that land as part of their lease on the stadium.

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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2020, 05:07:43 PM »
This seems like it would be pursued well after Lot J is finished, and is being presented now as a carrot to get city council & public approval for Lot J incentives.

Releasing the renderings is certainly a carrot on a string, but the Four Seasons and surrounding development at Met Park has been a poorly kept secret for the last two years or so. The DIA has been pretty heavily involved in the chats, and the city has been trying to free up Met Park for the development for close to a year now.

Definitely feels like it would trail Lot J by a few years though.

Newest long-term plan for a convention center location is apparently at the site of the jail/police building  :o

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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2020, 05:28:59 PM »
It looks like 2 cruise ships inverted to form a boomerang or "V."
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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2020, 05:51:10 PM »
Lamping did say that it was meant to invoke the image of a ship, for some reason.
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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2020, 06:08:59 PM »
Newest long-term plan for a convention center location is apparently at the site of the jail/police building  :o

Lol, I really wish we just deal with the present term. Because our present is the long term. We've been talking about a new convention center for 20 years now. Just stick a well designed mixed use box on the back of the Hyatt and check this one off the list. We can worry about the jail in 2070.
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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2020, 06:15:00 PM »
It looks like 2 cruise ships inverted to form a boomerang or "V."

Or the "after" photo of a very bad collison of two cruise ships.

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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2020, 06:56:23 PM »
Any word on timeframes or funding?



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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2020, 10:05:14 PM »
Since Khan's development agreement for the City-owned Shipyards expired, won't the city have to issue a new RFP (or whatever the appropriate RF- is)? Need to see if anyone else is interested, how much they are bringing to the table, and how much they want from the City.

Yep.

Step 1 is to get clearance from the feds for the land swap.

Step 2 is to RFP the property.

The only reason that Lot J didn't require an RFP is because the Jags technically control that land as part of their lease on the stadium.

Is that about a 3-month timeline to get suckers consultants to develop and submit proposals so the City can select Khan?

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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2020, 10:17:56 PM »
Any word on timeframes or funding?

Per the Daily Record, it’s a two phase project.

Phase I would include 177 hotel rooms and 20-30 for sale units, all under the Four Seasons flag, along with 50,000 sf of medical space and a 500 spot parking garage with rooftop greenspace.

The first phase would also include a 10,000 sf spa, 10,000 sf of event space, 20,000 sf of restaurant and retail space, and a possible riverwalk extension.

In terms of timing, Lamping claims that Shad Khan wants to break ground as soon as the legal hurdles with Met Park are cleared. He claimed that the Four Seasons could conceivably be starting at the same time as Lot J.

The medical center sounds like it will be operated by the Jags, and relates to the Jags needs as an NFL franchise.

Khan would be sole owner, with no involvement from Cordish, and he would retain ownership of the development, rather than the city like with Lot J.

Lamping also claimed that the approval of Lot J will pave the way for a significantly lower ask from the city for the Shipyards. $300 million is the private investment number being thrown out for this project. On paper, the public ask might be lower in terms of pure subsidy, but the hidden cost is obviously the park aspect, which isn’t going to relocate itself.

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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2020, 10:20:28 PM »
Since Khan's development agreement for the City-owned Shipyards expired, won't the city have to issue a new RFP (or whatever the appropriate RF- is)? Need to see if anyone else is interested, how much they are bringing to the table, and how much they want from the City.

Yep.

Step 1 is to get clearance from the feds for the land swap.

Step 2 is to RFP the property.

The only reason that Lot J didn't require an RFP is because the Jags technically control that land as part of their lease on the stadium.

Is that about a 3-month timeline to get suckers consultants to develop and submit proposals so the City can select Khan?

Noah’s Ark guy better get moving.

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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2020, 10:23:01 PM »
It looks like 2 cruise ships inverted to form a boomerang or "V."

The Jags have been in love with this ship-like design language since the first set of Shipyards renderings way back when.

Here’s a video explaining the philosophy behind the design:

https://youtu.be/avaSdC0QOUM

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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2020, 10:50:25 PM »
According to a News4Jax source, the Four Seasons proposal could be as high as a $100 million incentives request from the city:

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/11/12/khan-wants-to-build-a-four-seasons-hotel-where-jacksonvilles-metro-park-currently-sits/

Also, any word on what happens to the Fire Museum in Metropolitan Park? It's not in Khan's latest plan. Is it being relocated or razed?
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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2020, 10:51:41 PM »
Is it symbolic that the Jags hopes for a Super Bowl - either in Jax, or them participating - "that ship has sailed"?

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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2020, 10:53:55 PM »
According to a News4Jax source, the Four Seasons proposal could be as high as a $100 million incentives request from the city:

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2020/11/12/khan-wants-to-build-a-four-seasons-hotel-where-jacksonvilles-metro-park-currently-sits/

Also, any word on what happens to the Fire Museum in Metropolitan Park? It's not in Khan's latest plan. Is it being relocated or razed?

Could the memorabilia be included in the New MOSH?  That doesn't save the historic building, though.

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Re: The Shipyards & Metro Park 2020
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2020, 11:19:29 PM »
I'd argue the more separate attractions clustered together, the better. If it were moved to the Shipyards, it would actually be closer to its original Catherine Street location.
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