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Revitalizing Jacksonville's hidden urban creeks
« on: September 11, 2020, 10:11:00 AM »
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Is an urban park network centered around the hidden urban creeks and the riverfront of downtown Jacksonville becoming a reality? It certainly seems like it, especially if the city and local nonprofit Groundwork Jacksonville have anything to say about it. There has been plenty of significant movement to rehabilitate and revitalize the natural spaces of Hogans and McCoys Creek in order to activate the waterfront.


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Re: Revitalizing Jacksonville's hidden urban creeks
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2020, 08:13:45 PM »
Great stuff as always, Scott.

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Re: Revitalizing Jacksonville's hidden urban creeks
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2020, 03:22:22 PM »
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While it may be impractical to replace the bridges that replaced the bridges designed and built by Klutho, consideration should be given to either replacement or enhancement modifications that will restore a character in keeping with Springfield. These bridges include the modern day bridge designs at 1st Street, Pearl Street and Broad Street. The original Klutho designed pedestrian bridge at 5th Street and the auto bridges at Newnan and Market Streets should be rehabbed in keeping with the original style.

Bridges and channel depth are key to urban paddler use. A minimum air draft (clearance) of 5’ - 8’ above water level should be mandated as a long term goal. With a 12”-24” channel depth and re-re-reconstruction of the State-Union expressway culvert a world of recreational opportunities open up. Same can be accomplished at McCoy’s Creek by daylighting the TU property.

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Re: Revitalizing Jacksonville's hidden urban creeks
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2020, 05:23:35 PM »
The plan is to daylight the TU property as a part of the McCoys Creek restoration and trail project. At this point, I'm not aware of any plans by FDOT to do anything with the State Union culvert or expressway ramps.
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Re: Revitalizing Jacksonville's hidden urban creeks
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2020, 07:27:07 PM »
The plan is to daylight the TU property as a part of the McCoys Creek restoration and trail project. At this point, I'm not aware of any plans by FDOT to do anything with the State Union culvert or expressway ramps.


FDOT is facing reduced gas tax revenue due to COVID's impact on travel, making it harder for them to meet their existing priorities. I would not expect them to spend any money toward rebuilding that section of the Mathews Expressway to improve conditions for recreational kayakers, while providing no, or marginal, improvement for the motorists up on the road.  Just a couple of years ago, FDOT rebuilt the Washington Street Bridge over McCoys Creek. I think it was a combination of the bridge getting older and to improve creek flow. 

Even if FDOT had and wanted to spend the money, it would be a challenging project.  Where McCoys goes under the Expressway, the Expressway is almost back to ground level approaching Liberty Street.  The creek is also in culvert Union Street, which is at ground level.  Not sure what the vertical clearance would be over the creek.

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Re: Revitalizing Jacksonville's hidden urban creeks
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2020, 10:14:45 PM »
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FDOT is facing reduced gas tax revenue due to COVID's impact on travel, making it harder for them to meet their existing priorities.

Please tell that to our legislature that is plowing ahead with spending billions on building several new interstate-style roads in the western and central rural parts of the state that no one except developers and road builders asked for.  Environmentalists, among others, are furious as these roads are planned to go through some of the most pristine lands left in Florida.  Not only are the dollars now more scarce than ever but many point out the future of transportation lies in other types of projects (can we say echos of Jacksonville?).

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Re: Revitalizing Jacksonville's hidden urban creeks
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2020, 11:08:05 PM »
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FDOT is facing reduced gas tax revenue due to COVID's impact on travel, making it harder for them to meet their existing priorities.

Please tell that to our legislature that is plowing ahead with spending billions on building several new interstate-style roads in the western and central rural parts of the state that no one except developers and road builders asked for.  Environmentalists, among others, are furious as these roads are planned to go through some of the most pristine lands left in Florida.  Not only are the dollars now more scarce than ever but many point out the future of transportation lies in other types of projects (can we say echos of Jacksonville?).

The Task Forces for each corridor recommended FDOT do more preliminary work before beginning PD&E Studies for each corridor.
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The Task Force directed FDOT to establish at least a preliminary determination of transportation need and initial financial feasibility before proceeding with the Project Development and Environment (PD&E) process.

https://floridamcores.com/

Which was a surprise to many (some? well, me) that thought the M-CORES process was just a way to rubber-stamp the desires of the Legislature.

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Re: Revitalizing Jacksonville's hidden urban creeks
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2020, 11:51:22 PM »
Word on the street now is that M-CORES is probably getting canned since Bill Galvano is term-limited.
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Re: Revitalizing Jacksonville's hidden urban creeks
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2020, 10:20:15 AM »
Word on the street now is that M-CORES is probably getting canned since Bill Galvano is term-limited.

I wouldn't count on it (at least not just yet). I suspect the Legislature will ask FDOT to proceed with the needs analysis.