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Re: Why council should send FBC demo decision back to HPC
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2020, 03:06:33 PM »
So are they going to sell or raze the big auditorium; and...has attendance suffered that badly that they have to retro back to the much much smaller Hobson building/sanctuary (the original FBC I would guess)?
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Re: Why council should send FBC demo decision back to HPC
« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2020, 03:24:01 PM »
Sounds like they're keeping the big auditorium and consolidating down to that block, plus perhaps a little more and selling the rest when the time is right.

It makes no sense for them to pay to demolish buildings just to sell the land. None of the buildings are in imminent danger of collapse. (huh, where have I heard that before).

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Re: Why council should send FBC demo decision back to HPC
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2020, 04:35:09 PM »
None of the buildings are in danger of collapsing and the land without the buildings is probably worth less than it is with the buildings and garages on them.
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Re: Why council should send FBC demo decision back to HPC
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2020, 05:09:55 PM »
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In some ways the biggest white elephant is now off the market: the large auditorium.

I thought they were still trying to off-load the 10,000 seat auditorium and were consolidating back to a smaller 3000 seat auditorium?
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The parking decks are valuable in terms of the present value, to be sure. But who would ever need that much parking UNLESS they were building a major office building nearby?  If you were going to build the 20+ story building that would need even one of those garages, would you want to build it there? 

In many cities it would be obvious that the city would be the most likely buyer (especially for the garages), but given JAX's history as a land owner, that would be disaster.
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Re: Why council should send FBC demo decision back to HPC
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2020, 09:28:53 AM »
So are they going to sell or raze the big auditorium; and...has attendance suffered that badly that they have to retro back to the much much smaller Hobson building/sanctuary (the original FBC I would guess)?

Attendance has declined, no doubt about that due to a number of factors.

The idea was to create a more smaller, welcoming environment with multiple services which the Hobson provided. Since that has changed, the Lindsey Memorial Auditorium which is bigger than the Hobson but smaller than their main auditorium is now their current plan.  I think the main auditorium will be used for one-off services and no longer the regular Sunday service venue.
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Re: Why council should send FBC demo decision back to HPC
« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2020, 11:41:05 AM »
I think I missed a detail: I thought the LMA was the big auditorium; I didn't realize there were three (Hobson, LMA, Large Auditorium).

Since LMA is now their plan, I do wonder ultimately what they'd like to sell - I'm sure they keep one garage; maybe the one on Laura.

I bet they'd sell the Hobson block less the garage for the right price. That still leaves the giant auditorium (which unfortunately, not sure who else needs a 10k seat auditorium. If the concert business was in better shape (thanks COVID), then it may be able to be retrofitted as it would actually be the largest indoor auditorium style venue in the city. Somebody with some cash could actually make that an amazing music area by retrofitting the ground level into retail/restaurants/small concert venues, etc.

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Re: Why council should send FBC demo decision back to HPC
« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2020, 12:52:21 PM »
That still leaves the giant auditorium (which unfortunately, not sure who else needs a 10k seat auditorium. If the concert business was in better shape (thanks COVID), then it may be able to be retrofitted as it would actually be the largest indoor auditorium style venue in the city. Somebody with some cash could actually make that an amazing music area by retrofitting the ground level into retail/restaurants/small concert venues, etc.

Too little, too late, but I bet the RNC would have liked to have looked at before they abandoned Jacksonville  8).   As I recall, the large auditorium is also set up for television cameras (since they broadcast their services) and a significant TV production studio is in the building, thus ready made for TV events.  Maybe next time!
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Re: Why council should send FBC demo decision back to HPC
« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2020, 01:09:31 PM »
That still leaves the giant auditorium (which unfortunately, not sure who else needs a 10k seat auditorium. If the concert business was in better shape (thanks COVID), then it may be able to be retrofitted as it would actually be the largest indoor auditorium style venue in the city. Somebody with some cash could actually make that an amazing music area by retrofitting the ground level into retail/restaurants/small concert venues, etc.

Too little, too late, but I bet the RNC would have liked to have looked at before they abandoned Jacksonville  8).   As I recall, the large auditorium is also set up for television cameras (since they broadcast their services) and a significant TV production studio in the building, thus ready made for TV events.  Maybe next time!

Haha - it would be fitting in some ways wouldn't it?

It's a conundrum....FBC said themselves that the people interested aren't returning calls. I personally understood the decision to sell it as a group but had zero confidence in it working in this city....even before COVID. so the private sector is out.

If it was smaller I could potentially see FSCJ wanting it. Maybe they can scale it back and redevelop the rest. In any event I'd love the FSCJ campus to come south of State and Union. Plus, the Rosa Parks redevelopment could be the link there.