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bl8jaxnative

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Publix - East San Marco
« on: February 11, 2020, 11:34:04 AM »
Local San Marco paper reported that we should see bulldozers soon at the proposed Publix site.

Charles Hunter

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Re: Publix - East San Marco
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2020, 02:18:55 PM »
Local San Marco paper reported that we should see bulldozers soon at the proposed Publix site.

Ring Power is opening a retail lot?   :D

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Re: Publix - East San Marco
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2020, 07:23:44 PM »
Local San Marco paper reported that we should see bulldozers soon at the proposed Publix site.

Sounds like you're talking about the article in the Resident that said the project made it through LUZ.  Alt Right San Marco tried to stop it, but luckily the council members said it was too late and the momentum needs to be kept up.  There are still more approvals to secure before dirt can be moved, but it's moving through the process.

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Re: Publix - East San Marco
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2020, 09:07:25 PM »
Local San Marco paper reported that we should see bulldozers soon at the proposed Publix site.

Sounds like you're talking about the article in the Resident that said the project made it through LUZ.  Alt Right San Marco tried to stop it, but luckily the council members said it was too late and the momentum needs to be kept up.  There are still more approvals to secure before dirt can be moved, but it's moving through the process.

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Re: Publix - East San Marco
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2020, 12:22:58 PM »
Local San Marco paper reported that we should see bulldozers soon at the proposed Publix site.

Sounds like you're talking about the article in the Resident that said the project made it through LUZ.  Alt Right San Marco tried to stop it, but luckily the council members said it was too late and the momentum needs to be kept up.  There are still more approvals to secure before dirt can be moved, but it's moving through the process.

Again Right Size San Marco  opposes about anything unless it is less than 2 stories high and meets their personal approval. No grocery store (unless it looks suburban) and apartments only 2 stories high. Due to development costs associated with this area, you could get nothing. I know RSSM also love San Marco, but just seem sighted in their approach. I believe the San Marco overlay doesn't fit the area today.

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2020, 01:13:51 PM »
I loved reading the misinformation in the Daily Record.  Regency estimates the shopping center will average 5,000 daily trips, but RSSM is claiming that the apartments will have a greater impact on traffic...?  130 units will cause over 5,000 daily trips?  Will this building be populated strictly by home based delivery drivers?

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Re: Publix - East San Marco
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2020, 03:27:01 PM »
Unless you built a home for more than $1 million on a street where the other home values don't approach 75% off that, on a lot that backs up to property zoned for commercial development but occupied by a church, then the proposed development will be beneficial for your neighborhood and your property values.

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Re: Publix - East San Marco
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2020, 03:43:13 PM »
I really hope these "Right Size San Marco" dummies get their initiative steamrolled. San Marco deserves some nice amenities. People complaining about having an apartment built next door is so dumb and counter-productive

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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2020, 05:28:58 PM »
Their next meeting:   "Next neighborhood meeting 2/16 Sunday at 3pm at Brown Whatley Park."

I suggest you show up and talk to them, or lecture them, about their civic responsibility.
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Re: Publix - East San Marco
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2020, 08:02:25 PM »
My personal favorites are the “ x San Marco generation” folks who of course know what is best for all of us. Take us back to the magical days of San Marco when the Square was crap or maybe back to when the help used the toilet in the garage. Those were the days.

I really hope these "Right Size San Marco" dummies get their initiative steamrolled. San Marco deserves some nice amenities. People complaining about having an apartment built next door is so dumb and counter-productive

Some of these posts sound rather mean spirited and less than respectful or civil to others who are guilty of no more than having a differing view of how their environment should be managed.

These citizens have every right to stand up for their property rights and quality of life by confronting others who are doing the same for their own account.  Who really is the legitimate arbiter of what is best for a neighborhood?  In the end, it is usually best when the parties work together to find a mutually agreeable solution, not when one crams down on the other.  (As an aside, developers don't have a monopoly on all the great ideas so, just maybe, a creative solution is derived from this process that exceeds the intended value of the initial proposal and everyone is better off.)

If the development is down sized, then the developer needs to pay less for the land and the church needs to get less, just like any buyer/seller deal based on ROI.  It doesn't appear that the issue is over current zoning but rather an up zoning which only serves to generate "new found" returns, not ones anyone should expect based on the present situation.  If that comes at the expense of lower values for others, is that really fair?

If the developers/church think that the surrounding home values will not be impacted, maybe they should offer to buy them at their current market value and then resell them after their development is completed i.e. put their money where there mouth is.

To be clear, I have no skin in this game but I have been in contests with developers who are in a never ending quest to extract ever more value from their deals, regardless of the consequences to neighborhood character, environment and/or historical preservation.  That's their job and they accept the risk/reward ratio and/or high stakes game they are playing when they decide to move forward.  There is no guarantee they will prevail nor is there an obligation by others to kowtow to their plans just because they demand it to make their "numbers work."

Unfortunately, Jacksonville citizens have, more than not, been asleep at the wheel over the decades in standing up for their communities as developers have generally had City Hall in their pocket.  I actually find it refreshing to see neighborhood groups showing passion and spunk and working hard to insure smart development, not just development for the sake of it.

Regardless of ones position, I believe it is a healthy sign for Jacksonville that its citizens really do care and love their neighborhoods as that is what will ultimately result in the most sustainable community.
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Re: Publix - East San Marco
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2020, 08:57:25 PM »
Correct sir. These folks live in the direct vicinity, or impacted area, of the proposed development. They may very well lose, but speaking up is not the problem.

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Re: Publix - East San Marco
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2020, 08:06:59 AM »

I don't worry about it too much.  These sort of boards are a great place to get out the frustration.   

That said, I'm not sure how one gets to "lecture them on their civic responsibility".  I'd be willing to be 98.07% of y'll haven't contacted directly one local rep over an issue this year.   

Furthermore, they are the embodiment of that civic responsibility.  For generations we've had the paradigm the local government zones things and has a large say in what should and shouldn't be built.  Even when not seeking a variance to how something is zoned, proposed development still needs sign off by various local commissions and officials.    And the process is quite clear that they get a direct say, with some limitations,  in the composition of that development.

I get that one can disagree with what theyse folks are doing.  But what they're doing is exactly what the current system was designed for.  More so, don't be so doltish as to not recognize that they're being the most civicly responsible of most all of us right now. 

BTW - I've long felt that a publix sized store is inapproporiate for atlantic and hendrix for 2 reasons:
a) Hendrix is ofdten full and gets messy and dangerous for those not in cars because of that.   
b) I want to see a road diet for Atlantic on that strip.   This will make that harder.

But that's just my two-bits worth.

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Re: Publix - East San Marco
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2020, 11:10:51 PM »
OK so we are going to get a Publix eventually. This Publix will be built above a parking lot, for all practical purposes on the second floor of a building, How does a shopper get to their car ( on the lower floor) with a cart full of groceries? Take an elevator? An escalator? Or a ramp?
The plan is to park on the ground floor, correct?  Can you show some pictures of how this little detail is handled at the other Publix built this way please.

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Re: Publix - East San Marco
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2020, 11:25:43 PM »
You can go to YouTube and search cart escalator.

https://youtu.be/L4Za6UxZ204
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Re: Publix - East San Marco
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2020, 01:27:00 AM »
OK so we are going to get a Publix eventually. This Publix will be built above a parking lot, for all practical purposes on the second floor of a building, How does a shopper get to their car ( on the lower floor) with a cart full of groceries? Take an elevator? An escalator? Or a ramp?
The plan is to park on the ground floor, correct?  Can you show some pictures of how this little detail is handled at the other Publix built this way please.

I live next to a Whole Foods built over a garage (and at the bottom of a huge apartment building). There's a handy cart escalator which everyone who drives uses. Walk up a ramp, go down the cart escalator. Easy peasy