Author Topic: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco  (Read 7297 times)

Captain Zissou

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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2020, 09:58:21 AM »
It is sad that a very small local group can hold up a good development. 

Basically, this is all about a few homes on one street and one person who just completed a new home opposite the development. 

Word on the street is the person who completed the new home had to get a zoning variance to do so... Now he's quoting zoning and the overlay to prevent someone from completing a project that makes more sense for the area than his McMansion fronting a major arterial roadway.

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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2020, 10:01:49 AM »
It is sad that a very small local group can hold up a good development. 

Basically, this is all about a few homes on one street and one person who just completed a new home opposite the development.  His home and the others have driveways and garages on the adjacent street where the apartments are going to be built.  There was nothing wrong with the original plan.  Now that San Marco Preservation Society has jumped on the bandwagon, we now have a bunch of people who really don't know anything and have no risk, trying to call the shots.

This is really bad for San Marco and Jacksonville.  There are a lot of places to build apartments and other developments than Jacksonville.  If I was a developer why would I want to mess around in the area with this type of grief?  There is a lot of developable land in the San Marco area, the word will get around and firms may not want to invest in the area, not good.

Sadly this is about a lot more than just a small group here but it reinforces why I personally soured on SMPS awhile ago.And while I appreciate their efforts, it is safe to say we have different visions and priorities.

On a brighter note, most future development will take place in North San Marco and most of this crowd could give a shit about what happens there except maybe more traffic(!) which is apparently end of the world as we know it kind of stuff. Thus, I wouldn’t be overly concerned about future area interest.

However, I do wonder if this changes this particular developer’s thoughts about the former bath house building. That would suck if this debacle delayed or stopped that project entirely.




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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2020, 03:29:48 PM »
FYI, This is being discussed currently in the latest planning commission meeting. Liking what I am hearing so far.

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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2020, 03:58:45 PM »
After some very good discussion( with some of the comments made by the commissioners actually making me laugh), Unanimous approval.

One small step toward progress. Time to load up on the popcorn in the lead up to council vote.

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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2020, 05:10:23 PM »
 For anyone interested , this is the site for those of us that are in favor of this development. I have been told there will be no yard signs :)

https://www.smartsanmarco.com/



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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2020, 10:35:45 AM »
For anyone interested , this is the site for those of us that are in favor of this development. I have been told there will be no yard signs :)

https://www.smartsanmarco.com/

Great website! Who is this Morgan person, why are they so smart, and why isn't their name Matt?

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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2020, 12:10:09 PM »
For anyone interested , this is the site for those of us that are in favor of this development. I have been told there will be no yard signs :)

https://www.smartsanmarco.com/

Great website! Who is this Morgan person, why are they so smart, and why isn't their name Matt?

I’ve been in touch with her. I plan to talk to both sides for a future article.
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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2020, 07:38:36 AM »
Anyone go to the town hall they had last night?

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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2020, 10:44:38 AM »
I did not. I've talked to some of the various sides of this, and may be doing another article in the future. In my opinion, Right Size San Marco has a pretty strong legal argument for their perspective, based on what the city land use and zoning says. The developers and supporters have a good argument as far as what the development would bring to the neighborhood and local businesses, but I'm not sure what their legal argument is. At any rate, It's going to be a matter of the interpretation that City Council finds most persuasive.
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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2020, 08:18:54 PM »
This is what I sent to all CC menbers about this is. I encourage others to do the same. Zoning and overlays may be against this, but how many times has that been over ridden for other developments. My biggest concern is a future of NO development and empty pocket parks.

I am writing to support the development of Park Place at San Marco apartments. Review of the plans and comments by the developer and his staff gives the following reasons for this support:

1.   This is a Right Sized development. The building size and unit make-up will not lead to increased traffic or overloading of public services in the area.
2.   The developer is taking into account the neighbors, as in the use of apartments to hide the garage on Mitchel Street.
3.   This building fits the San Marco area with good choice of architectural details.
4.   The building fits the scale of the area as rooflines will be similar to the new Publix and the existing church.
5.   This development will not lower property values in the area.

I believe some area residents just don’t want apartments in the San Marco area.

I believe that the City Council must listen to all voices and then make a decision which is best for the neighborhood, the community at large and Jacksonville. Only a few vocal people should not dictate the situation. If we turn down development that is done well just because we don’t want density, then we will end up with NO development. We will have more abandoned buildings and empty lots turned parking.

I live in North County and have 2 new subdivisions going in with over 200 homes within a .25 mile of my home. I encourage this development as long as it done correctly. It will help raise property values and bring new services both public and private.

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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2020, 08:28:06 AM »
2.   The developer is taking into account the neighbors, as in the use of apartments to hide the garage on Mitchel Street.

I don't believe this is still part of the proposal.

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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2020, 10:22:27 AM »
2.   The developer is taking into account the neighbors, as in the use of apartments to hide the garage on Mitchel Street.

I don't believe this is still part of the proposal.

It isn’t.
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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2020, 06:03:42 PM »
My second email to CC members had that removed and asked why would someone want to look at a garage and not what looks like a house. Not sure I get it?

But if that was what was requested, the developers obliged them.

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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2020, 07:21:46 PM »
My second email to CC members had that removed and asked why would someone want to look at a garage and not what looks like a house. Not sure I get it?

But if that was what was requested, the developers obliged them.

Well, they want the whole development shorter as per the overlay. The developers dropped the height on the garage side and the only way to do that without loosing parking spots was to replace those units with more parking.
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Re: Changed plans for Park Place at San Marco
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2020, 11:41:17 PM »
Zoning and overlays may be against this, but how many times has that been over ridden for other developments...

The below is a famous quote from a German Lutheran pastor about the expansion of Nazi power:
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    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—

         Because I was not a socialist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
         Because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
         Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.


Not to put it on the same plane, but many fight zoning changes in their neighborhood with the same concern expressed here ... that if they don't fight the first battle, there will be evermore impactful developments to follow that get harder to attack due to prior precedents.  Where does it all end? 

You basically confirm this fear with this line:  "how many times has that been over ridden for other developments."  This is why much of Jacksonville's historic buildings and neighborhood character has been greatly chiseled away.  We never draw a hard line in the sand and stand by it but rather defend rampant development because, once we made one exception, we might as well make exceptions for everyone without discrimination.  We see the same pattern leading to suburban sprawl and the gradual decimation of virgin green space and environmentally sensitive lands.