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Re: Doro Fixture Site to be demolished, replaced with Apartments/Retail
« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2020, 03:02:11 PM »
I say they (the developer) cannot use the name "Doro" unless they are going to preserve/rehab/reuse/incorporate Doro.

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« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2020, 03:55:34 PM »
I say they (the developer) cannot use the name "Doro" unless they are going to preserve/rehab/reuse/incorporate Doro.
You tell 'em, buddy!

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« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2020, 04:01:32 PM »
I say they (the developer) cannot use the name "Doro" unless they are going to preserve/rehab/reuse/incorporate Doro.


So knock down the 3, 4 structures on the site and save a few bricks or a window or something  in the new ?  I'm not sure what that would accomplish.

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« Reply #63 on: April 08, 2020, 06:54:40 AM »
I know that this building has no protections and they have every right to move ahead with their demolition permit.  However, given the current economic turmoil I HOPE that they don't move ahead with the demolition and then the project fails to materialize and we end up with ANOTHER vacant block.  My hope is they keep the permit in hand until they are more sure that they will be able to complete their project.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/demolition-permits-sought-for-the-george-doro-fixture-co-block

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Rise Properties LLC applied to the city for permits to demolish properties on the George Doro Fixture Co. block to prepare for a proposed Downtown mixed-use and retail project called The Doro.

Realco Recycling Co. Inc. is listed as the contractor to demolish warehouse structures on the block bounded by A. Philip Randolph Boulevard and Adams, Lafayette and Forsyth streets.

Three permits show a job cost of $225,015 for demolition of structures at 128 A. Philip Randolph Blvd.; 102 A. Philip Randolph Blvd., the main George Doro building; and 951 Forsyth St.

Permit documents show Realco Recycling intends to use an excavator and attachments for the demolition. Debris will be disposed at the Old Kings Road Landfill.

The Downtown Development Review Board approved conceptual designs March 12 for Valdosta, Georgia-based Rise Properties to build a residential and retail development at the site. It needs final design approval before construction can proceed.

The DDRB canceled its meeting scheduled for April 9, due to social distancing measures for COVID-19. The May 14 meeting still is planned.

Jacksonville Properties I LLC proposes an eight-story, 247-unit mixed-use project at 102 A. Philip Randolph Blvd.

The developer said in March it has the property under contract. Matthew Marshall, vice president of development at RISE: A Real Estate Company, said then he anticipates Rise Properties will buy the property in May or June from Jacksonville real estate investors Farley and Paul Grainger.

He said Rise Properties hopes to break ground by the end of the summer and he expects a 22-month construction period, but that was before the COVID-19 pandemic.

The 1.63-acre property is next to Intuition Ale Works and Manifest Distilling, near the Downtown Sports Complex.

The oldest building on the Doro property dates to 1914, and more structures were added through 1954.

Mapping Jax, a local historic preservation and Downtown revitalization group, brought 11 members to the March DDRB meeting to oppose the demolition. They asked developers to merge the oldest Doro Fixture building into the proposed new construction instead of demolishing it.

Downtown Investment Authority staff consulted with Christian Popoli, city planner supervisor for the Community Planning Division, Historic Preservation Section, for its report.

Popoli said the state Historic Preservation Officer at the Florida Department of State determined the Doro Fixture building doesn’t meet the criteria for Jacksonville’s Downtown National Register District.

The structure is not a locally registered landmark and doesn’t have historic structure protections.

DIA staff recommended conceptual approval for The Doro.

Rise Properties said it wants to incorporate a sense of history. The project architect said he worked textures, colors and materials from the original Doro Fixture building into the designs.

Project renderings show a seven-level parking garage and 4,875 square feet of ground-level retail, commercial and restaurant space.

The retail use at Forsyth Street and A. Philip Randolph Boulevard will face an outdoor area that Rise Properties calls “The Alley” between the south side of the development and Intuition Ale Works.

The eighth floor of the apartment building will focus on retail space and resident amenities. Plans show 2,652 square feet of outdoor retail space with a rooftop terrace for customers.

Marshall said Dec. 13 that the rooftop space would be an indoor-outdoor bar and lounge.

The top floor also has a terrace and resident amenity space with a swimming pool.

The development will be the first mixed-use residential project built in the Downtown Sports and Entertainment District.

Marshall said his company will seek federal and local tax incentives.

Rise Properties will apply for a city-backed Recapture Enhanced Value Grant, which rebates over 10 years the increase in ad valorem property taxes generated by the project, and Opportunity Zone funding.

The federal government designated Downtown Jacksonville’s Sports and Entertainment District an Opportunity Zone — a program created by the federal Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017.

“The REV grant would be an important piece of this, making it financially feasible,” Marshall said.

The REV grant will need City Council approval.
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Re: Doro Fixture Site to be demolished, replaced with Apartments/Retail
« Reply #64 on: April 08, 2020, 08:00:21 AM »
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The project architect said he worked textures, colors and materials from the original Doro Fixture building into the designs.

LOL!!

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« Reply #65 on: April 08, 2020, 08:44:21 AM »
So unfortunate, that this passes for a form of preservation and paying homage to history locally. Btw, I seriously doubt we even know what the original colors were.
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« Reply #66 on: April 08, 2020, 09:09:20 AM »
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“The REV grant would be an important piece of this, making it financially feasible,” Marshall said.

The REV grant will need City Council approval.

Why would we let them demolish the building before the grant is approved?  This project lives and dies with this grant and they don't even know if it will be approved...  Is this an attempt to force the city's hand to approve the grant so that they aren't stuck with yet another blighted city block?

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« Reply #67 on: April 08, 2020, 09:17:10 AM »
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“The REV grant would be an important piece of this, making it financially feasible,” Marshall said.

The REV grant will need City Council approval.

Why would we let them demolish the building before the grant is approved?  This project lives and dies with this grant and they don't even know if it will be approved...  Is this an attempt to force the city's hand to approve the grant so that they aren't stuck with yet another blighted city block?

Probably.

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« Reply #68 on: April 08, 2020, 04:42:13 PM »
DDA should make it a rule and policy that is binding in some way, that anyone who seeks to buy property, and demolish already existing structures on said property, and are proposing to build or construct on that property, must build their proposed development, etc., within a certain amount of time, and somehow DDA should them to it legally. I too am tired of people buying up properties downtown, proposing to build, and then get money and other incentives from the city, and then back out. As a part of the approval process, DDA should somehow bind them to commit building or constructing what they propose or plan on those properties. (this is not my field so feel free to correct me if I am off).
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Re: Doro Fixture Site to be demolished, replaced with Apartments/Retail
« Reply #69 on: April 08, 2020, 04:57:18 PM »
DDA should make it a rule and policy that is binding in some way, that anyone who seeks to buy property, and demolish already existing structures on said property, and are proposing to build or construct on that property, must build their proposed development, etc., within a certain amount of time, and somehow DDA should them to it legally. I too am tired of people buying up properties downtown, proposing to build, and then get money and other incentives from the city, and then back out. As a part of the approval process, DDA should somehow bind them to commit building or constructing what they propose or plan on those properties. (this is not my field so feel free to correct me if I am off).
That's reasonable.

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« Reply #70 on: April 08, 2020, 09:52:31 PM »
I find it interesting that if a building isn't deemed officially historic, it isn't protected.  Who determines that status and when is it invoked?  If the owner has to request it, that's the fox guarding the chicken coop.  If the City has to request it, is there an ongoing process to seek out such buildings and declare them historic?  How can the community participate by making such a request?

Seems very few buildings are protected in this City leading to endless demolitions of our past.  We have one-off historic buildings all over the City that are not necessarily in "historic districts" and thus not officially surveyed.  Why can't a building be deemed historic as a result of reviewing its status for a demolition permit thereby halting its demolition?  How do other cities like Savannah and Charleston handle such matters?
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« Reply #71 on: April 09, 2020, 08:47:29 AM »
"Popoli said the state Historic Preservation Officer at the Florida Department of State determined the Doro Fixture building doesn’t meet the criteria for Jacksonville’s Downtown National Register District"

Wow. I'd like to see that report, 'cause from everything I've ever read here it absolutely qualifies. Are the standards that much different, or is this "Historic Preservation Officer" legit?  Maybe he's getting some kickback from the developer.

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« Reply #72 on: April 09, 2020, 09:07:20 AM »
Is the Doro outside the Downtown National Register District?  It could be as simple as that.

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« Reply #73 on: April 09, 2020, 09:50:32 AM »
It's more complicated than that. A historic district is a cluster or compact concentration of structures, sites, etc. It's a mile east of the Downtown National Register District. So it's not.  However, that doesn't mean much, in terms of if it is actually historically significant or not.

A few of the buildings are possibly eligible to meet local landmarking criteria, which has nothing to do with the national register. Unfortunately, we'll likely never know because it could be rubble before anyone is provided the time to research and present that information.
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Re: Doro Fixture Site to be demolished, replaced with Apartments/Retail
« Reply #74 on: April 22, 2020, 10:42:07 AM »
Which building(s) at the Doro site are people claiming are historic?   There are several structures on that property.