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Adam White

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Re: Parking Privatization: Jacksonville vs. Nashville
« Reply #75 on: January 09, 2020, 09:41:47 AM »
Dude, you already got political. And you're just as bad as the people you criticize.

In any event, if you don't want to be "censored" for "getting political" you might want to a) not go off-topic and b) avoid trying to make political points (either overtly or by implication) when you respond. Everything doesn't have to have a QAnon angle. Some people just like pizza.

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« Reply #76 on: January 09, 2020, 10:14:32 AM »
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 since political party affiliation shouldn't be a factor.
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You're in the wrong country.

It shouldn't and there is no reason for it to. There is no liberal or conservative way to pick up the garbage or do 90% of what local governments do.

Again, you're in the wrong country if you want this sort of thing.

There is every reason for it.  It's literally unconstitutional and anti American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association

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« Reply #77 on: January 09, 2020, 10:48:26 AM »
Dude, you already got political. And you're just as bad as the people you criticize.

In any event, if you don't want to be "censored" for "getting political" you might want to a) not go off-topic and b) avoid trying to make political points (either overtly or by implication) when you respond. Everything doesn't have to have a QAnon angle. Some people just like pizza.

I'm not taking the bite, just so you and others can shout for censorship like always...

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« Reply #78 on: January 09, 2020, 10:52:28 AM »
Folks, please stay on topic and please don’t take swipes at each other. Thanks, the management.
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« Reply #79 on: January 09, 2020, 12:56:24 PM »
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 since political party affiliation shouldn't be a factor.
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You're in the wrong country.

It shouldn't and there is no reason for it to. There is no liberal or conservative way to pick up the garbage or do 90% of what local governments do.

Again, you're in the wrong country if you want this sort of thing.

There is every reason for it.  It's literally unconstitutional and anti American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association

It's unconstitutional and anti-american, yet it is what many (most?) cities already do.  That being conducting non-partisan elections.

 
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« Reply #80 on: January 09, 2020, 01:47:55 PM »
"
 since political party affiliation shouldn't be a factor.
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You're in the wrong country.

It shouldn't and there is no reason for it to. There is no liberal or conservative way to pick up the garbage or do 90% of what local governments do.

Again, you're in the wrong country if you want this sort of thing.

There is every reason for it.  It's literally unconstitutional and anti American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association

It's unconstitutional and anti-american, yet it is what many (most?) cities already do.  That being conducting non-partisan elections.

Yes, plenty of cities have non-partisan elections.
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« Reply #81 on: January 16, 2020, 05:03:01 PM »
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 since political party affiliation shouldn't be a factor.
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You're in the wrong country.

WHat they call non partisan means that the candidates are not listed on the ballot by party.     that is hugely different from banning actual part afiiliations.  Essentially it's an excercise that means F*** All.   

For example, everyone and their grandmother know's that LA's Garcetti [sic] is a democrat.  He was a chair for the Obama campaign in Cali.   And he had a spat with Hillary since she endorsed one of his opponents.

Chew on that, what they hell does it mean to not print a party affiliation on a ballot when Hillary Clinton and Obama are openly working in the picture.   

If you're not tlaking about banning the parties, your endorsing then an insignificant facade.   

It shouldn't and there is no reason for it to. There is no liberal or conservative way to pick up the garbage or do 90% of what local governments do.

Again, you're in the wrong country if you want this sort of thing.

There is every reason for it.  It's literally unconstitutional and anti American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association

It's unconstitutional and anti-american, yet it is what many (most?) cities already do.  That being conducting non-partisan elections.

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Re: Parking Privatization: Jacksonville vs. Nashville
« Reply #82 on: January 17, 2020, 02:39:00 AM »
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 since political party affiliation shouldn't be a factor.
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You're in the wrong country.

WHat they call non partisan means that the candidates are not listed on the ballot by party.     that is hugely different from banning actual part afiiliations.  Essentially it's an excercise that means F*** All.   

For example, everyone and their grandmother know's that LA's Garcetti [sic] is a democrat.  He was a chair for the Obama campaign in Cali.   And he had a spat with Hillary since she endorsed one of his opponents.

Chew on that, what they hell does it mean to not print a party affiliation on a ballot when Hillary Clinton and Obama are openly working in the picture.   

If you're not tlaking about banning the parties, your endorsing then an insignificant facade. 
 

It shouldn't and there is no reason for it to. There is no liberal or conservative way to pick up the garbage or do 90% of what local governments do.

Again, you're in the wrong country if you want this sort of thing.

There is every reason for it.  It's literally unconstitutional and anti American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association

It's unconstitutional and anti-american, yet it is what many (most?) cities already do.  That being conducting non-partisan elections.

Now's the time when you can take a moment and point to where the OP (or anyone else) advocated "banning actual part(y) affiliations".

The OP just said it was sad, as party affiliation shouldn't matter at local level. And he was reinforcing one of the points you made - that people know what party the candidate would represent if the elections weren't non-partisan (also reinforcing what Steve had posted earlier).

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Re: Parking Privatization: Jacksonville vs. Nashville
« Reply #83 on: January 17, 2020, 08:26:51 AM »
There are many non-partisan elected officials that do not overtly put their partisan leanings out to the public at large. There are others that will on occasion endorse a given candidate in a given race, but don't do so with any regularity. There are others that have endorsed candidates from both parties in different races. There are local officials that identify with one party or my even be elected under their party, but have on occasion crossed parties to endorse a candidate.   

Partisan politics as practiced at the state and national level is not relevant and is detrimental to local politics.
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Re: Parking Privatization: Jacksonville vs. Nashville
« Reply #84 on: January 17, 2020, 01:36:07 PM »
Back on topic: the DIA committee that studied this is recommending to the DIA board to reject the proposal from Elite in its entirety.

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« Reply #85 on: January 17, 2020, 01:44:26 PM »
Back on topic: the DIA committee that studied this is recommending to the DIA board to reject the proposal from Elite in its entirety.

Good. It seemed for all the world like a cash grab from some private interest. The parking situations in our vibrant urban neighborhoods aren't very problematic to my eye.

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« Reply #86 on: January 17, 2020, 02:22:06 PM »
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« Reply #87 on: January 17, 2020, 02:38:32 PM »
^Imagine what downtown would look like by now if we spent $56 million on it, instead of to this group to manage parking garages since 2004.
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« Reply #88 on: January 17, 2020, 02:45:58 PM »
The downtown parking situation is such a PITA. Monthly parking garages abound, and the hourly debit/credit garages oftentimes get taken over at nights by the "Special Event Parking" attendees who are cash only

No consistency, no predictable places to park and hit the Bay St/Laura St corridors, uncertainty about which method of payment to take with me for a night out, it's aggravating.

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« Reply #89 on: January 17, 2020, 03:06:51 PM »
Interesting comments today...


The downtown parking situation is such a PITA. Monthly parking garages abound, and the hourly debit/credit garages oftentimes get taken over at nights by the "Special Event Parking" attendees who are cash only

No consistency, no predictable places to park and hit the Bay St/Laura St corridors, uncertainty about which method of payment to take with me for a night out, it's aggravating.


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In a two-hour meeting Friday, Boyer walked through the majority of the recommendations from a parking study that DIA received last year. She outlined strategies – introducing variable pricing, installing kiosks for mobile payments, ticketing JEA employees that park at meters without paying and more – that would increase revenue while keeping parking within DIA authority.

"Probably 50 percent of our meters on a daily basis are not generating revenue," said Boyer, blaming that stat on government vehicles not getting ticketed and on allocations of parking for school buses and other short-term uses. "It's a really substantial number, and I think it's out of control."

She recommended against privatizing on-street parking, an element of Grey's proposal, because rate structures could be used to incentivize certain behaviors, like charging higher rates during the work day to encourage high turnover and lower rates or free parking at night to encourage workers to dine out before leaving the area. That power should not be handed over to a private company, which would make purely profit-based rate decisions, Boyer argued.

Boyer told the Business Journal after the meeting that the same logic does not necessarily apply to the city-owned parking garages downtown or the envisioned shuttle system.

"They don't have the same issues," said Boyer.

https://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2020/01/17/downtown-agency-votes-to-reject-contentious-bid-to.html?iana=hpmvp_jac_news_headline



Almost as if these very same issues were discussed somewhere on this forum....




I do know this though - downtown Jax meters are currently more than 85% full now which means 2 things.  1) We aren't charging enough and 2) People are discouraged from going downtown because there isn't any parking.


Sorry. Those 'facts' are opinions, and not correct.

Downtown Jax meters are not more than 85% full across the board. In certain parts of Downtown, meter utilization is high. In other parts of Downtown, meter utilization is low. In some parts of Downtown, meter enforcement is essentially non-existent. On any given day, about 80 metered spots are occupied by non-paying City employees and elected officials. Quite a few metered spaces along Independent Drive, Hogan St, Laura St, Bay St and Adams St have been taken out of the inventory due to various demolition and construction projects. I can name north of half a dozen business owners who park in metered spaces outside their front door from 8-5pm Monday through Friday, and then complain that their 'customers can't find parking'. Several times a month, metered spaces along Hogan St are taken out of the parking inventory due to school busses and tour busses from performances at TUPAC. Some publicly-owned surface parking lots are well-used. Others are not well-used (and instead said users park illegally across the street for free, with no enforcement for those illegally parked). Others are not open to daily (or even off-peak) parking. Others are currently closed to any monthly or daily parking (cough: the Landing East Lot).

As a downtown resident and business owner who has fully studied local utilization rates, revenues (which have gone down in recent years since a competent administrator left the Office of Public Parking), demand/supply and who talks to monthly and daily parkers on an almost day-to-day basis... my conclusion isn't that 'people are discouraged from going downtown because there isn't any parking'.

Instead they 1) don't have enough good reasons to choose to pay to park downtown instead of simply going elsewhere (that's a demand issue), and that 2) it is unreasonably hard to be a true consumer because they are confused as to the various parking options (that's a management issue). You'd be surprised at how much revenue is collected at metered parking after 6pm on weeknights and during weekends, even though metered parking is free during these periods. There is also zero uniformity on pricing among both public and private options.  Some public and private facilities aren't even consistent as to when they are open to accepting off-peak customers. 

Neither of these conclusions point to a supply issue.

I'm saying this also, as someone who does believe that there are some easy fixes that can be accomplished without relinquishing these duties to a private operator, who believes that there is an unmet need for some strategically-located public facilities to offer free parking during certain periods to help economic development efforts, and that strategic price increases at both public on-street facilities and within public structured parking facilities are warranted (but that doesn't mean that prices should go up across the board among all available public parking spots).  That is to say that I fully agree that there are specific pricing strategies and supply management strategies needed... but those aren't blanket statements based on a paragraph read in a book. Instead that's based on regression analysis of localized variables. The application of theories based on an understanding of what is actually happening around you is more important than the book itself.