Florida Blue garage has no retail

[thelakelander]

Not surprising but unfortunate given the key location at Park and Forest. There is an urban park included but question the point of that space if there's nothing to activate it with use.



Full article and renderings: https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/photo-gallery/florida-blue-parking-garage-includes-869-spaces-urban-park-area

[thelakelander]

Without drilling down into detail, looking at the rendering, it would seem that a similar solution that was associated with the Parador/Suntrust/Vystar garage should be in order. Consider the park a short term use where in the long term, that triangular shaped leftover piece of property could be reserved for infill development. In addition, perhaps a 50 to 75 foot setback on Park Street is in order to allow for the same potential economic opportunity one of Brooklyn's main corners.

[Tacachale]

Without drilling down into detail, looking at the rendering, it would seem that a similar solution that was associated with the Parador/Suntrust/Vystar garage should be in order. Consider the park a short term use where in the long term, that triangular shaped leftover piece of property could be reserved for infill development. In addition, perhaps a 50 to 75 foot setback on Park Street is in order to allow for the same potential economic opportunity one of Brooklyn's main corners.

Great ideas.

[Charles Hunter]

The site holds a water retention pond that the city intends to fill. City officials are designing a water bypass pipe network, according to the RS&H and Danis documents.

Wonder where the water is going to go? Seems there is always water in that retention pond.

Very sad, but not surprising, there is no ground-floor retail.  Can this be changed at the DDRB review on Oct. 10?

[Steve]

Without drilling down into detail, looking at the rendering, it would seem that a similar solution that was associated with the Parador/Suntrust/Vystar garage should be in order. Consider the park a short term use where in the long term, that triangular shaped leftover piece of property could be reserved for infill development. In addition, perhaps a 50 to 75 foot setback on Park Street is in order to allow for the same potential economic opportunity one of Brooklyn's main corners.

Could the proposed Forest Street Road Diet create that setback?

[Captain Zissou]

This fronts some pretty important commercial corridors.  I think DDRB needs to fight for retail either now or down the road.  We've already missed out on so many chances to build out Brooklyn the right way. 

[thelakelander]

Without drilling down into detail, looking at the rendering, it would seem that a similar solution that was associated with the Parador/Suntrust/Vystar garage should be in order. Consider the park a short term use where in the long term, that triangular shaped leftover piece of property could be reserved for infill development. In addition, perhaps a 50 to 75 foot setback on Park Street is in order to allow for the same potential economic opportunity one of Brooklyn's main corners.

Could the proposed Forest Street Road Diet create that setback?

I seriously doubt it. The road diet isn't a diet on the width of the right of way. It's taking a lane and repurposing that lane as something else (ex. parallel parking, protected bikeways, etc.). I doubt it will result in moving the existing curb and gutter. That's super expensive.

[CityLife]

The site holds a water retention pond that the city intends to fill. City officials are designing a water bypass pipe network, according to the RS&H and Danis documents.

Wonder where the water is going to go? Seems there is always water in that retention pond.

Very sad, but not surprising, there is no ground-floor retail.  Can this be changed at the DDRB review on Oct. 10?

Filling in wet retention ponds is not uncommon in Florida. You will see it happen more in Jax as the city gets more built out and there are less developable parcels. I think Jax has more wet retention ponds in a 2-3 mile radius of downtown than Miami, Tampa, Orlando, WPB, and FTL do combined. The existing wet retention ponds in the urban core are probably a better redevelopment opportunity than all of the existing surface lots.

You can build a system of underground stormwater vaults or exfiltration trenches to make up for the loss of the retention pond. It’s even possible to increase the amount of retention through these methods. Glad to see this creative use of wasted land.

[Steve]

Without drilling down into detail, looking at the rendering, it would seem that a similar solution that was associated with the Parador/Suntrust/Vystar garage should be in order. Consider the park a short term use where in the long term, that triangular shaped leftover piece of property could be reserved for infill development. In addition, perhaps a 50 to 75 foot setback on Park Street is in order to allow for the same potential economic opportunity one of Brooklyn's main corners.

Could the proposed Forest Street Road Diet create that setback?

I seriously doubt it. The road diet isn't a diet on the width of the right of way. It's taking a lane and repurposing that lane as something else (ex. parallel parking, protected bikeways, etc.). I doubt it will result in moving the existing curb and gutter. That's super expensive.

Good point - plus parking can act as a speed reducer and is useful.

Though...it would also be useful for all of the retail in that garage....oh wait. If the city is kicking in for this garage, any idea what the incremental cost would be to expand the garage such that the garage has the same number of spaces but has retail?

[Steve]

The site holds a water retention pond that the city intends to fill. City officials are designing a water bypass pipe network, according to the RS&H and Danis documents.

Wonder where the water is going to go? Seems there is always water in that retention pond.

Very sad, but not surprising, there is no ground-floor retail.  Can this be changed at the DDRB review on Oct. 10?

Filling in wet retention ponds is not uncommon in Florida. You will see it happen more in Jax as the city gets more built out and there are less developable parcels. I think Jax has more wet retention ponds in a 2-3 mile radius of downtown than Miami, Tampa, Orlando, WPB, and FTL do combined. The existing wet retention ponds in the urban core are probably a better redevelopment opportunity than all of the existing surface lots.

You can build a system of underground stormwater vaults or exfiltration trenches to make up for the loss of the retention pond. It’s even possible to increase the amount of retention through these methods. Glad to see this creative use of wasted land.

In a DIA meeting describing the incentives, one of the DIA board members asked this question and the answer was a little confusing (though I'm not saying incorrect). Apparently there were excess "retention pond" credits (which I think meant more retention ponds than needed), so it could be filled in.

[CityLife]

The site holds a water retention pond that the city intends to fill. City officials are designing a water bypass pipe network, according to the RS&H and Danis documents.

Wonder where the water is going to go? Seems there is always water in that retention pond.

Very sad, but not surprising, there is no ground-floor retail.  Can this be changed at the DDRB review on Oct. 10?

Filling in wet retention ponds is not uncommon in Florida. You will see it happen more in Jax as the city gets more built out and there are less developable parcels. I think Jax has more wet retention ponds in a 2-3 mile radius of downtown than Miami, Tampa, Orlando, WPB, and FTL do combined. The existing wet retention ponds in the urban core are probably a better redevelopment opportunity than all of the existing surface lots.

You can build a system of underground stormwater vaults or exfiltration trenches to make up for the loss of the retention pond. It’s even possible to increase the amount of retention through these methods. Glad to see this creative use of wasted land.

In a DIA meeting describing the incentives, one of the DIA board members asked this question and the answer was a little confusing (though I'm not saying incorrect). Apparently there were excess "retention pond" credits (which I think meant more retention ponds than needed), so it could be filled in.

That’s also another possible scenario. Or even a combination of offsite/excess credits and under grounding. There’s quite a few different ways to skin that cat. No matter what, SJRWMD will make sure there is sufficient retention.

I’m sure a civil engineer could provide a lot better technical explanation of stormwater retention than I did.