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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2019, 07:03:47 PM »
It's more likely that people will still be parking there in six months. Unless, someone is installing tents, it's pretty much impossible time-wise for anything to be under construction within six months, considering time will be needed to respond to a RFP, select the winner and negotiate with the winning selection. That alone, will likely take two or three months minimum. If you're lucky, at that point you'll be on a typical development timeline which will include everything from design and engineering plan production, financing, permitting, DDRB approval, etc.
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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2019, 10:43:38 AM »
Full article: https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/the-mendenhall-report-the-ford-on-bay-could-draw-international-interest

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The Mendenhall Report: The Ford on Bay could draw international interest

When the Downtown Investment Authority begins looking for developers for the former Duval County Courthouse and City Hall sites — now branded The Ford on Bay — officials expect bids from top-tier national developers, and possibly international investors.

The DIA will issue a request for proposals Monday to develop the city-owned property. Bids are due Jan. 21.

CBRE Jacksonville, the real estate firm chosen by DIA to brand and market The Ford on Bay, has sent email blasts that include an executive summary calling the site a “rare and unique mixed-use development opportunity on ±8.38 acres of high visible land in downtown Jacksonville.”

Cliff Taylor and Joe Ayers, CBRE’s co-leads for North Florida multifamily investment sales, told the DIA board in September they will market the city-owned property “far and wide.”

“There will be a conversation with a large number of groups of high caliber that have never developed here in the past,” Taylor told the DIA on Sept. 18.

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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2019, 11:04:18 AM »
Maybe I'm being too harsh but I don't see why this is even news. The Ford on Bay is not a real development. Maybe something materializes in a few months, maybe it doesn't. In any event, they actually have to issue a request for proposal and market the site before anything realistic is possibly proposed and materializes down the line. Maybe it's just me, but it's a shame that these types of dreams are making the news as opposed to reports of real downtown projects moving forward. What's next? Another story about the District promising to start pushing dirt across their site in another year or so?
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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2019, 11:21:41 AM »
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In 2018, the average lease rate for Downtown office space was $21.54 per square foot, according to Downtown Vision Inc.’s 2018-19 State of Downtown Report.

Good luck getting a new office building built with that market rate.

The DIA better hope the new bidders don't talk to the old bidders. They might get an earful about not wasting their time.
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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2019, 11:38:24 AM »
Yeah i don't see this going anywhere for the while, unless the city gives away the farm.  By that I mean unless the city has a 2nd farm that they never told anyone about that they can also give away.  Shad already has the first one firmly in his grasp.


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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2019, 11:46:20 AM »
Maybe I'm being too harsh but I don't see why this is even news. The Ford on Bay is not a real development. Maybe something materializes in a few months, maybe it doesn't. In any event, they actually have to issue a request for proposal and market the site before anything realistic is possibly proposed and materializes down the line. Maybe it's just me, but it's a shame that these types of dreams are making the news as opposed to reports of real downtown projects moving forward. What's next? Another story about the District promising to start pushing dirt across their site in another year or so?

Seems like the stadium development would make more sense over here.

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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2019, 11:58:14 AM »
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In 2018, the average lease rate for Downtown office space was $21.54 per square foot, according to Downtown Vision Inc.’s 2018-19 State of Downtown Report.

Good luck getting a new office building built with that market rate.

The DIA better hope the new bidders don't talk to the old bidders. They might get an earful about not wasting their time.

Which is why it was pretty dumb to blow up the 19-story structurally sound building that was already standing on the property. Would have been better off giving it away, which would have made private redevelopment more feasible and using the $8 million spent on demo on other downtown needs.......like two-waying streets, revamping public spaces, investing in small business growth or replenishing the historic preservation trust fund.
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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2019, 01:09:53 PM »
Is the city going to sell the land to a developer or are they planning a ground lease?

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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #53 on: October 18, 2019, 03:36:57 PM »
Is the city going to sell the land to a developer or are they planning a ground lease?

In the RFP Response, the Respondent will propose the financial terms so they could in theory propose this. With that said, I can't imagine any human on earth proposing this to COJ, especially if they have the internet and can read the news.

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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #54 on: October 18, 2019, 04:00:32 PM »
Is the city going to sell the land to a developer or are they planning a ground lease?

In the RFP Response, the Respondent will propose the financial terms so they could in theory propose this. With that said, I can't imagine any human on earth proposing this to COJ, especially if they have the internet and can read the news.

EXACTLY the first thing I thought when I read the first post.
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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #55 on: October 18, 2019, 04:18:44 PM »
If the RFP has enough trendy bells and whistles, the City will likely give the land to the developer (or if his name is Khan)

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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #56 on: January 18, 2020, 10:59:13 AM »
Reponse deadline is Tuesday.

I heard some talk shortly after the new year that responses were expected to be a little underwhelming versus what the city was expecting, particularly in density and useage (primarily residential/garage with minimal lip service paid to retail), but hopefully that's not the case.

Should be really interesting to see what actually came in on this parcel.

I also hope that the DIA has a better scoring rubrick in place than they did for the LaVilla townhomes.
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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #57 on: January 18, 2020, 12:10:19 PM »
One thing is for sure. We don't have a market that demands high-rise construction. No cranes and blocks and blocks of vacant lots and surface parking lots clearly visualize this. Our market is a stick-built one like it is in the suburbs in most large cities across the country. It is, what it is. So whatever we demolish that was built in a time when the market demanded such density, is likely to be replaced by something that's less mixed use, more autocentric and less pedestrian friendly. If that's not a cry for stronger preservation and adaptive reuse policies and regulations, I don't know what is.

Also keep in mind just because the RFP response deadline is coming up, it doesn't mean anything going vertical is imminent. Over the years, RFPs have come and gone for the Shipyards, The District, Snyder Memorial, LaVilla Townhomes site and 324 North Broad. To date, not a single site has changed from what it was 15-20 years ago.....abandoned and vacant.

So it will be interesting to see what the next round of slick renderings are....but we're likely some time away from seeing something actually happen that you can see, touch, go inside and interact with.

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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2020, 03:17:01 PM »
The grass lots were roped off so as not to allow parked cars on them today (unlike every other day) for the MLK parade

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Re: The Ford on Bay
« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2020, 03:35:48 PM »
"....but we're likely some time away from seeing something actually happen that you can see, touch, go inside and interact with."

So true for many of the BIG projects.  That being said I cannot wait to interact with some fresh produce at Publix San Marco. ;D