Author Topic: Welcome to Rockville Leaving Jax for Daytona  (Read 35647 times)

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Re: Welcome to Rockville Leaving Jax for Daytona
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2019, 11:55:12 PM »
Daytona's numbers are deceiving.  It's the urban core for coastal Volusia County. For years it was built out, so its new growth spilled out to adjacent suburbs with available land, particularly Ormond Beach, Port Orange and Deltona. Recent growth is occurring in newly annexed land along and west of I-95. Like Jax, the older core (in this case, most of Daytona east of Clyde Morris or Nova Rd) could use an economic shot in the arm.

Port Orange

1990___35,317___88.3%
2000___45,823___29.7%
2010___56,048___22.3%
2018___64,252___14.6%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Orange,_Florida




Ormond Beach

1990___29,721___38.6%
2000___36,301___22.5%
2010___36,301___5.1%
2018___43,475___14.0%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ormond_Beach,_Florida




Deltona

1990___50,828___223.5%
2000___69,543___ 36.8%
2010___85,182___22.5%
2018___91,951___7.9%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deltona,_Florida

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Re: Welcome to Rockville Leaving Jax for Daytona
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2023, 11:53:35 PM »
Lineup for the next Welcome to Rockville just looks insane.

https://welcometorockville.com/

4 days, 5 stages, over 200,000 expected.

Quietly one of the absolute biggest losses incurred by the prior administration, all to make way for Lot J construction before the project was even approved.

With a four day festival, economic impact is likely at least double that of Florida Georgia.

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Re: Welcome to Rockville Leaving Jax for Daytona
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2023, 06:44:36 AM »
Lineup for the next Welcome to Rockville just looks insane.

https://welcometorockville.com/

4 days, 5 stages, over 200,000 expected.

Quietly one of the absolute biggest losses incurred by the prior administration, all to make way for Lot J construction before the project was even approved.

With a four day festival, economic impact is likely at least double that of Florida Georgia.

Used to go to Rockville and Warped.... I  assume Warped no longer visits either
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Re: Welcome to Rockville Leaving Jax for Daytona
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2023, 12:37:36 PM »
Hopefully the current administration fights to bring it back to Jacksonville. I'm sure Daytona will do whatever it takes it to keep it there though.

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Re: Welcome to Rockville Leaving Jax for Daytona
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2023, 01:41:36 PM »
Hopefully the current administration fights to bring it back to Jacksonville. I'm sure Daytona will do whatever it takes it to keep it there though.
The last Rockville held here only had 99,000 fans in 2019. Fast forward to 2021, that number jumped to 161,000 and is now expecting 200,000? Highly doubtful Jacksonville will ever get a music festival like that back again. Let alone do they even have a viable space that could even host 90+ bands. It sucks, but that's our reality.

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Re: Welcome to Rockville Leaving Jax for Daytona
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2023, 11:14:50 PM »
^ This is part of the case for larger parks downtown or in the nearby urban core of 50, 100 or more acres.  If we ever want a Super Bowl again, we will have this same issue as the old JEA power plant site on the Southbank and the former Shipyards were used in 2005 for hosting.  Not anymore... with nothing of that size taking their place.

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Re: Welcome to Rockville Leaving Jax for Daytona
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2023, 10:25:37 AM »
^ This is part of the case for larger parks downtown or in the nearby urban core of 50, 100 or more acres.
We have plenty of open space in the sports and entertainment district.  Probably too much.  We don't have the density of people or uses downtown to activate a new 100+ acre park.  Between all of the riverfront parks and the stadium lots, there's already 100 acres of open space.  I think we should design those spaces to have active uses 300+ days a year, but give them the flexibility to be integrated into a larger event a few times a year. 

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Re: Welcome to Rockville Leaving Jax for Daytona
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2023, 11:52:59 AM »
^ This is part of the case for larger parks downtown or in the nearby urban core of 50, 100 or more acres.

That's… a lot of space to take out of an urban area. The infield at Daytona (where they're holding Rockville) not including the lake is 180 acres. I decided to try and map out how much downtown land you'd need to assemble a continuous 180-acre parcel:



This, according to Google Maps, is 180 acres, or 4.6 square miles. It would require incorporating Shipyards West Park, Berkman Plaza 2, the Jail & Police Memorial Building, Sulzbacher, six blocks of the Cathedral District, the Historic Society, MOSH Genesis, the Four Seasons & Shipyards development, the existing Metropolitan Park, the Veterans Memorial, Lots J, D, P, M, E, Daily's Place, WJCT, the ponds next to Lot J and WJCT, and the little railcar housing on Adams St. You'd have to leave all of that as empty as the Daytona infield in order to try to maintain an equivalent amount of space.
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