Author Topic: Mayors Office: It's Time To Move Forward With Demolishing Landing  (Read 5147 times)

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Re: Mayors Office: It's Time To Move Forward With Demolishing Landing
« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2019, 02:24:57 PM »
I must say.....while I have been very negative about COJ's puzzling moves in downtown lately, I have been impressed by those in the community that are speaking up and offering different ideas and calling for common sense to be allowed to enter the discussion. In the long run, Jax will be better as a result of having residents that are active, educated and engaged.

To the extent that this new interest is a precursor to actual market activity, I agree it's very positive.  My theory is that the vast majority of Duval residents have never been downtown, except for maybe a football game.  If there is a growing sense (probably among younger millennials), that having an actual downtown would be cool, then things will happen, a tiny bit at a time....

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Re: Mayors Office: It's Time To Move Forward With Demolishing Landing
« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2019, 02:30:12 PM »
Add another $370k to the tally/bonfire.

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The Mayor’s Budget Review Committee last week approved moving $370,000 from other city fund accounts to the Landing for basic operating costs.

“We will need some (money) for a short time to keep certain components operational at the Landing when we become the landlords … while we own it and until we evict all the tenants,” said Sam Mousa, the city’s chief administrative officer who will retire at the end of June, to be succeeded by Hughes.

Mousa told committee members that “once we demolish it,” the city will no longer need the operational money for the Landing.

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/jacksonville-landing-tenants-receive-eviction-notices-ponder-future

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Re: Mayors Office: It's Time To Move Forward With Demolishing Landing
« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2019, 02:35:04 PM »
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If there is a growing sense (probably among younger millennials), that having an actual downtown would be cool, then things will happen, a tiny bit at a time....

Do you realize that every other city has already started down that path?    Twenty years ago!
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Re: Mayors Office: It's Time To Move Forward With Demolishing Landing
« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2019, 02:39:52 PM »
It happened in Jax decades ago too. They've been iced out of downtown for the most part and jerked around by many of the heavily questionable gimmick projects and ideas promoted over the years. Half of the business owners in places like Five Points, Springfield, King Street, CoRK and the Rail Yard District were all interested or have tried to find spots unsuccessfully in downtown.
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« Reply #49 on: May 02, 2019, 03:00:47 PM »
Totally unrealistic to expect a small business to be able to afford the difference in rent. This isn't real relocation assistance. Unless the DIA is going to fill in the significant financial gaps (which isn't going to happen), I agree that most will either close or relocate from downtown.

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The Downtown Investment Authority has provided tenants with a list of 15 Downtown properties with rental space available from $16 to $24.75 per square foot per year. That would be a significant increase, considering The Art Center is paying $2 to $3 per square foot.

“When we looked at the packet, the preponderance of the commercially available space listed on that packets are at $18 to $22 per square foot, which is roughly nine times what we’re paying now, Malesky told the DIA at its April board meeting.

“That is not something we can absorb,” he said, citing the center's nonprofit status.

Malesky said he is convinced that without assistance, many of the Landing businesses will leave Downtown or close.

Full article: https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/jacksonville-landing-tenants-receive-eviction-notices-ponder-future
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Re: Mayors Office: It's Time To Move Forward With Demolishing Landing
« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2019, 02:12:40 PM »
Are any Federal funds involved in the acquisition of the Landing?  If so, it seems the much more stringent Federal Relocation Assistance rules would apply.

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« Reply #51 on: May 04, 2019, 03:41:06 PM »
Evidently, COJ/DIA has already turned the Landing's parking lot into a monthly permit only parking lot. Guess, they are trying to hurt the remaining small businesses (that didn't close from their antics over the last year) to get out faster. Kind of sad to see fat cats making six figure salaries on the public dime to treat taxpayers and small businesses this way.
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Re: Mayors Office: It's Time To Move Forward With Demolishing Landing
« Reply #52 on: May 05, 2019, 02:33:45 PM »
If there is a growing sense (probably among younger millennials), that having an actual downtown would be cool, then things will happen, a tiny bit at a time....

Any millennials interested in an actual downtown are not moving to Jacksonville. The ones moving there are doing so due to low cost of living and cheap housing. Downtown is kind of an interesting novelty to them. The ones of us who leave are in search of more vibrancy (and less humidity but that's not the city's fault) and are willing to pay for it.

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Re: Mayors Office: It's Time To Move Forward With Demolishing Landing
« Reply #53 on: May 05, 2019, 03:10:36 PM »
Evidently, COJ/DIA has already turned the Landing's parking lot into a monthly permit only parking lot. Guess, they are trying to hurt the remaining small businesses (that didn't close from their antics over the last year) to get out faster. Kind of sad to see fat cats making six figure salaries on the public dime to treat taxpayers and small businesses this way.
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The businesses have 1 month to vacate.  This parking lot thing isn't a ploy to force them to leave.  They will be leaving.

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« Reply #54 on: May 05, 2019, 03:46:23 PM »
A couple have a few months. What's the rush with limiting their customers access or their ability to move out efficiently?
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Re: Mayors Office: It's Time To Move Forward With Demolishing Landing
« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2019, 06:50:04 PM »
Evidently, COJ/DIA has already turned the Landing's parking lot into a monthly permit only parking lot. Guess, they are trying to hurt the remaining small businesses (that didn't close from their antics over the last year) to get out faster. Kind of sad to see fat cats making six figure salaries on the public dime to treat taxpayers and small businesses this way.
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The businesses have 1 month to vacate.  This parking lot thing isn't a ploy to force them to leave.  They will be leaving.

Several tenants met with CM Gaffney the other day - he offered to assist with possibly getting extensions on their evictions

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Re: Mayors Office: It's Time To Move Forward With Demolishing Landing
« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2019, 04:25:02 PM »
Sounds like the buyout/relocation assistance and demolition costs will be higher than originally stated:

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Fionn MacCool’s Irish Pub and Restaurant, Hooters would take more than a third of $1.5 million the City Council allocated to relocate, settle leases with tenants.

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“The $1.5 million referenced in the legislation (for demolition of the Landing) was approximated based on an estimate provided by a demolition expert – to give the city an idea of the cost,” Elsbury told Boyer. “Currently, there is not site work related to preparing pads for development, it is simply clearing the site.”

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/city-says-it-could-cost-dollar590-000-to-terminate-leases-for-two-restaurants-at-the-jacksonville-landing
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Re: Mayors Office: It's Time To Move Forward With Demolishing Landing
« Reply #57 on: May 06, 2019, 04:33:24 PM »

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Re: Mayors Office: It's Time To Move Forward With Demolishing Landing
« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2019, 08:19:12 AM »
Sounds like the buyout/relocation assistance and demolition costs will be higher than originally stated:

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Fionn MacCool’s Irish Pub and Restaurant, Hooters would take more than a third of $1.5 million the City Council allocated to relocate, settle leases with tenants.

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“The $1.5 million referenced in the legislation (for demolition of the Landing) was approximated based on an estimate provided by a demolition expert – to give the city an idea of the cost,” Elsbury told Boyer. “Currently, there is not site work related to preparing pads for development, it is simply clearing the site.”

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/city-says-it-could-cost-dollar590-000-to-terminate-leases-for-two-restaurants-at-the-jacksonville-landing

Shocking.

Remind me again why we didn’t just issue an RFP for the property as-is? It would solve so many things, and it wouldn’t stop a developer from proposing a tear down and rebuild?

Oh yea, I said that before. So have 17482645 other people.

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Re: Mayors Office: It's Time To Move Forward With Demolishing Landing
« Reply #59 on: May 07, 2019, 08:49:27 AM »
The answer is still the same - Lot J.  Without it the Jags leave town.
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