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Savannah wants a taller bridge to accommodate larger ships
« on: January 29, 2019, 08:54:04 AM »
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One way to solve the Talmadge Bridge controversy? Build a new one

The fight to rename the Talmadge Memorial Bridge didn’t come up at the Georgia Ports Authority’s annual budget briefing to lawmakers. But an ambitious project underway could put a damper on any movement to rechristen it.

Griff Lynch, the head of the Georgia Ports Authority, told lawmakers Wednesday that planning is underway to replace the bridge in roughly a decade.


Full article: https://www.ajc.com/blog/politics/one-way-solve-the-talmadge-bridge-controversy-build-new-one/X3ey4LtPhzrexWHuAmeHwN/

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Re: Savannah wants a taller bridge to accommodate larger ships
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2019, 09:34:31 AM »
The Savannah bridge has 185 feet of vertical clearance - 10 feet more than the one at Dames Point - and they want to go higher, and it is two years newer than our bridge.

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Re: Savannah wants a taller bridge to accommodate larger ships
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2019, 09:48:40 AM »
At some point doesn't it just make sense to build a tunnel under the River?

These expensive bridges only seem to last 30-40 years before they become obsolete.
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Re: Savannah wants a taller bridge to accommodate larger ships
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2019, 09:56:10 AM »
Or just focus on maximizing properties east of the Dames Point.
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Re: Savannah wants a taller bridge to accommodate larger ships
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2019, 10:28:04 AM »
At some point doesn't it just make sense to build a tunnel under the River?

These expensive bridges only seem to last 30-40 years before they become obsolete.

Mobile, AL got it right! But tunnels are extremely expensive, as well.


Or just focus on maximizing properties east of the Dames Point.

That pretty much just leaves Blount Island and maybe some room for development around Mile Point. Much of the river frontage East of the Dames Point Bridge is wetlands/preserves, or NAS Mayport. Kinda limits the possibility of extensive expansion, but I'd reckon there is at least SOME room to maximize Blount Island, leaving Talleyrand to serve smaller ships.

It'll be interesting to see if this type of conversation really affects Jax. The Dames Point Bridge appears to have cost $47mil, that's $118mil today. If I'm remembering correctly the approach slopes of the existing bridge are steeper than standards would have allowed and required  a design variation/exception. That means a new bridge would likely have to be steeper or be a lot longer to reach the heights required. Not to mention a whole lot wider to fit modern design standards for the shoulder widths...

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Re: Savannah wants a taller bridge to accommodate larger ships
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2019, 11:36:56 AM »
It is also very expensive to expand an existing tunnel, to accommodate more vehicle traffic.

All of Blount Island east of the power lines is owned by the US Government for the USMC Pre-Positioning Terminal.  Expansion eastward would require the USMC to give up this critical port. From their website, their mission is:
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As the hub of the Marine Corps’ prepositioning programs, Marine Corps Support Facility Blount Island serves as the home of Blount Island Command and its worldwide mission supporting Marine expeditionary forces. Blount Island Command's Marines, sailors, civilians, and defense contractor partners are proud of our relationship with Marine war fighters and are singularly dedicated to providing them with the best combat ready equipment and supplies in the world.

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Re: Savannah wants a taller bridge to accommodate larger ships
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2019, 12:13:09 PM »

All of Blount Island east of the power lines is owned by the US Government for the USMC Pre-Positioning Terminal.

Fascinating, I never dug deep enough to realize that portion of the island was yet another military base in Jax. Thanks for the info!

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Re: Savannah wants a taller bridge to accommodate larger ships
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2019, 12:36:56 PM »
Georgia can send the bill to the private companies that will benefit from the new bridge.  Same for the Dames Point bridge.  Why do the taxpayers have to keep picking up these bills so private companies can increase their profits?
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Re: Savannah wants a taller bridge to accommodate larger ships
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2019, 01:13:49 PM »
Georgia can send the bill to the private companies that will benefit from the new bridge.  Same for the Dames Point bridge.  Why do the taxpayers have to keep picking up these bills so private companies can increase their profits?
That is just the way it works.  Everybody benefits from the port, NFL team, airports, highways, infrastructure.  We wouldn't have ports other than a few like Norfolk, Baltimore, San Francisco and a few others if it wasn't financed/invested in by the taxpayers.  It's essential for an economy such as we have.  You grow, you increase in population, you need jobs, money circulating in the local areas, and a more diverse community.  If you look at places that don't invest in infrastructure you'll find stagnation, a poor economy, lack of educational opportunities, etc.  Who wants that?

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Re: Savannah wants a taller bridge to accommodate larger ships
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2019, 01:36:51 PM »
I realize that is the economics of globalism, but there was a time when localism was the priority.  Companies paid to have access to customers, now the customers are paying to have access to the businesses.
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Re: Savannah wants a taller bridge to accommodate larger ships
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2019, 02:13:59 PM »
It is also very expensive to expand an existing tunnel, to accommodate more vehicle traffic.

All of Blount Island east of the power lines is owned by the US Government for the USMC Pre-Positioning Terminal.  Expansion eastward would require the USMC to give up this critical port. From their website, their mission is:
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As the hub of the Marine Corps’ prepositioning programs, Marine Corps Support Facility Blount Island serves as the home of Blount Island Command and its worldwide mission supporting Marine expeditionary forces. Blount Island Command's Marines, sailors, civilians, and defense contractor partners are proud of our relationship with Marine war fighters and are singularly dedicated to providing them with the best combat ready equipment and supplies in the world.

Since JaxPort has decided that dredging decisions will now have significantly less public discussion and input, its difficult to know specifics, but the talk for the past couple of years is that TraPac would swap their terminal with the SSA Gateway terminal, as both terminals have spurs into CSX's rail transfer lines.  The Blount Island berths have been undergoing upgrades for some time.