Author Topic: 10,700-unit community planned in St. Johns County  (Read 3907 times)

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Re: 10,700-unit community planned in St. Johns County
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2018, 12:51:13 PM »
I was thinking more of suburban development becoming more multimodal friendly and accessible. I've seen various suburban developments across the country change in terms of design, zoning, infrastructure placement and site development practices, etc. However, this master plan appears very 1990s and you can spot the problems it will have at build-out....many of which could be avoidable using tried and true best practices.
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Re: 10,700-unit community planned in St. Johns County
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2018, 11:33:07 PM »
What a waste, how much is to much suburban sprawl. Time to organize and prevent this from ever being built.

the zoning was approved before the great recession.

Immaterial to me, organizing to prevent building can involve multiple methodologies regardless of zoning.

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Re: 10,700-unit community planned in St. Johns County
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2018, 09:39:03 AM »
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St Johns County is going to look like Duval in a matter of years. More cheap housing being built to over crowd the area and ruin the rural atmosphere. Not to mention destroying animal habitats. The schools are nice now but will slowly develop but city issues in time.  Nothing but a bunch of greedy developers destroying our way of life.

Maybe if they build enough garbage down there, people will move back to the urban core for the "quaint, peaceful, and relaxing lifestyle of the historic neighborhoods".  I wouldn't want them, but with the herds these people move in, downtown could be full overnight.

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Re: 10,700-unit community planned in St. Johns County
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2018, 11:13:02 AM »
What a waste, how much is to much suburban sprawl. Time to organize and prevent this from ever being built.

the zoning was approved before the great recession.

Immaterial to me, organizing to prevent building can involve multiple methodologies regardless of zoning.

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Are you seriously labeling developers 'fascists'?
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Re: 10,700-unit community planned in St. Johns County
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2018, 06:07:35 PM »
Maybe if they build enough garbage down there, people will move back to the urban core for the "quaint, peaceful, and relaxing lifestyle of the historic neighborhoods".  I wouldn't want them, but with the herds these people move in, downtown could be full overnight.

You need to fix DCPS first.

A large part of the reason people move down here to SJC is because of the school district and its reputation. The county has done a decent job of creating this image of "quiet living on big suburban property with #1 rated schools" and that's what fuels this growth here.

The people moving into these houses in Shearwater or Beachwalk or Rivertown or Nocatee have zero interest in living near the urban core.

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Re: 10,700-unit community planned in St. Johns County
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2018, 08:20:38 PM »
As fake as it is, at least Beachwalk is designed to be walkable and mixed use within its property. Definitely can't say the same thing about this project!
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Re: 10,700-unit community planned in St. Johns County
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2018, 04:34:12 PM »
Maybe if they build enough garbage down there, people will move back to the urban core for the "quaint, peaceful, and relaxing lifestyle of the historic neighborhoods".  I wouldn't want them, but with the herds these people move in, downtown could be full overnight.

You need to fix DCPS first.

A large part of the reason people move down here to SJC is because of the school district and its reputation. The county has done a decent job of creating this image of "quiet living on big suburban property with #1 rated schools" and that's what fuels this growth here.

The people moving into these houses in Shearwater or Beachwalk or Rivertown or Nocatee have zero interest in living near the urban core.
Sorry.  Forgot to [Sarcasm] [/Sarcasm] my post. 

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Re: 10,700-unit community planned in St. Johns County
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2018, 04:37:58 PM »
Maybe if they build enough garbage down there, people will move back to the urban core for the "quaint, peaceful, and relaxing lifestyle of the historic neighborhoods".  I wouldn't want them, but with the herds these people move in, downtown could be full overnight.

You need to fix DCPS first.

A large part of the reason people move down here to SJC is because of the school district and its reputation. The county has done a decent job of creating this image of "quiet living on big suburban property with #1 rated schools" and that's what fuels this growth here.

The people moving into these houses in Shearwater or Beachwalk or Rivertown or Nocatee have zero interest in living near the urban core.

Yep. When families move to town, most ask about two things first: Crime and Education. Unfortunately Duval doesn't do amazing in either front.

Ironically in our form of government, it's two things that the Mayor can have plausible deniability on.

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Re: 10,700-unit community planned in St. Johns County
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2018, 01:20:04 AM »
Just something to consider, if you're looking for an example of what Silverleaf could turn out to be, just go to the Westside and check out Oakleaf Plantation. It's the same developer, and probably not by accident, they have a lot of the same characteristics. They have the exact same toll road (First Coast Expressway) running through/alongside it.

Whether Oakleaf is good or bad, that's up for debate, I guess.

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Re: 10,700-unit community planned in St. Johns County
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2019, 04:22:31 PM »
Heard a commercial the other day for one of these mega developments touting that living there would relieve the homeowner of the traffic and congestion they deal with at their current mega-development.  I just laughed.
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Re: 10,700-unit community planned in St. Johns County
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2019, 08:41:05 PM »
My Brother in Law was an early partner with Pittman on the Oakleaf land.
Wrestled out of the hands of the Trust For Public Lands Brannon Chaffee Wildlife Mitigation Park under former Game & Fish Commission era.
I remember G&FC Clay county Officer Skip Truby coming to my office,an early warning that the 1800 acre TPL concept was under the gun.The 1800 acre Trust property noted in Brannon Chaffee (First Coast Beltway) proceedings.
Eventually one of the players would become my Brother in Law,I was invited to hunt the property,then known as "The Farm".
I knew of the political maneuvers at the time.....I had spent a giant portion of my life protecting cherished hunt/recreation lands  faced with development;Jennings,Guana. No way would I even step foot on The Farm.

Trust For Public Lands would eventually see warm embrace by the Delaney administration.

Delaney,Horne,Thrasher and King on the Legislative level provided key support for Brannon/Chaffee/First Coast finally,after a period of skepticism by earlier Duval Delegation members,even in the face of lavish Lobster dinner lobbying efforts. Pass the butter!

Always interesting to see these landscape transformations occur as if by surprise to some.
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