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Deficit already doubles under Trump
« on: October 06, 2018, 01:56:28 PM »
So Bush leaves about a 9% annual deficit, Obama leaves it at about 1.5% then boom another Republican in the office and we are already back at 4% and soaring. Same old pattern.  (Note the very conservative source).



https://thehill.com/policy/finance/410177-deficit-soars-to-782-billion-in-2018

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Re: Deficit already doubles under Trump
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2018, 07:02:40 PM »
Republicans no longer care about the deficit. That was a way to attack Obama. Now that Trump is in office they are very quiet. Deficits are now a good thing!

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Re: Deficit already doubles under Trump
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2018, 07:34:57 AM »
Apparently republican politicians don't care about deficits... disgraceful.  >:(
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Re: Deficit already doubles under Trump
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2018, 04:46:36 PM »
Apparently republican politicians don't care about deficits... disgraceful.  >:(

The thing is those Republican politicians haven't cared about debt for a long long time and I admit I can't figure out how they keep making fools of conservative voters who do care about this issue.  I know that is a bit of a barb but I really do want to know how they win on this issue.  It goes back even farther Carter brought it down from Ford and then Regan immediately pushed it up and Bush 1 pushed it up even more.  How do they convince people over and over they care about debt? 
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Re: Deficit already doubles under Trump
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2018, 04:52:33 PM »
Apparently republican politicians don't care about deficits... disgraceful.  >:(

The thing is those Republican politicians haven't cared about debt for a long long time and I admit I can't figure out how they keep making fools of conservative voters who do care about this issue.  I know that is a bit of a barb but I really do want to know how they win on this issue.  It goes back even farther Carter brought it down from Ford and then Regan immediately pushed it up and Bush 1 pushed it up even more.  How do they convince people over and over they care about debt? 

Republican politicians care as much about fiscal responsibility as much as democratic politicians care about the poor. If either base doesn't recognize that, they are dumb as rocks.

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Re: Deficit already doubles under Trump
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2018, 05:14:11 PM »
Apparently republican politicians don't care about deficits... disgraceful.  >:(

The thing is those Republican politicians haven't cared about debt for a long long time and I admit I can't figure out how they keep making fools of conservative voters who do care about this issue.  I know that is a bit of a barb but I really do want to know how they win on this issue.  It goes back even farther Carter brought it down from Ford and then Regan immediately pushed it up and Bush 1 pushed it up even more.  How do they convince people over and over they care about debt? 

Republican politicians care as much about fiscal responsibility as much as democratic politicians care about the poor. If either base doesn't recognize that, they are dumb as rocks.

Of course they don't recognize that.
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Re: Deficit already doubles under Trump
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2018, 05:17:24 PM »
Apparently republican politicians don't care about deficits... disgraceful.  >:(

The thing is those Republican politicians haven't cared about debt for a long long time and I admit I can't figure out how they keep making fools of conservative voters who do care about this issue.  I know that is a bit of a barb but I really do want to know how they win on this issue.  It goes back even farther Carter brought it down from Ford and then Regan immediately pushed it up and Bush 1 pushed it up even more.  How do they convince people over and over they care about debt? 

Republican politicians care as much about fiscal responsibility as much as democratic politicians care about the poor. If either base doesn't recognize that, they are dumb as rocks.

Ok so for this debate I stipulate to your point.  So why do so many not "dumb as rocks" conservatives vote for the GOP on this issue?
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Re: Deficit already doubles under Trump
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2018, 06:15:53 PM »
Apparently republican politicians don't care about deficits... disgraceful.  >:(

The thing is those Republican politicians haven't cared about debt for a long long time and I admit I can't figure out how they keep making fools of conservative voters who do care about this issue.  I know that is a bit of a barb but I really do want to know how they win on this issue.  It goes back even farther Carter brought it down from Ford and then Regan immediately pushed it up and Bush 1 pushed it up even more.  How do they convince people over and over they care about debt? 

Republican politicians care as much about fiscal responsibility as much as democratic politicians care about the poor. If either base doesn't recognize that, they are dumb as rocks.

Ok so for this debate I stipulate to your point.  So why do so many not "dumb as rocks" conservatives vote for the GOP on this issue?

I would guess it is how they think the money will be spent as opposed to the amount.

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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2018, 06:38:24 PM »
I think that is part of it but that is never the way I hear it.  I just was speaking to someone who told he thinks that GOP voters that somehow cutting the Government's revenue (taxes) will somehow stimulate the economy enough to cover the lost revenue.  Which I guess I can understand because if that ever worked how great that would be.
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Re: Deficit already doubles under Trump
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2018, 06:46:30 PM »
I think that is part of it but that is never the way I hear it. 

Remember, you asked my opinion on "not dumb as rock" voters. Anyone that only cares about the amount and not how the amount is spent, is dumb as a rock.

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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2018, 07:01:33 PM »
Fair point.
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Re: Deficit already doubles under Trump
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2018, 07:08:56 PM »

Republican politicians care as much about fiscal responsibility as much as democratic politicians care about the poor. If either base doesn't recognize that, they are dumb as rocks.
Well, some democratic politicians care about the poor. Why else would they push for an increase in the minimum wage? Although I agree with you that Republican politicians do not care about fiscal responsibility!

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Re: Deficit already doubles under Trump
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2018, 06:35:33 AM »
Apparently republican politicians don't care about deficits... disgraceful.  >:(

The thing is those Republican politicians haven't cared about debt for a long long time and I admit I can't figure out how they keep making fools of conservative voters who do care about this issue.  I know that is a bit of a barb but I really do want to know how they win on this issue.  It goes back even farther Carter brought it down from Ford and then Regan immediately pushed it up and Bush 1 pushed it up even more.  How do they convince people over and over they care about debt? 

Well... some republican politicians care about deficits...  Who on either side votes based on a single issue?  You are well aware the "base" voters on each side vote party over results every time... it certainly isnt a "republican" thing...
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Re: Deficit already doubles under Trump
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2018, 08:52:01 AM »
My point is that I believe Republican voters care about deficits and by in large GOP politicians don’t. I think lots of people vote single issue abortion , climate change and immigration come to mind. However I am just wondering how the GOP wins on this issue.  ( IMO they do) I think Matt makes a good point on the what the money is spent on may be more of f a factor and conservatives say debt but mean something else. I also think  bit of wishful thinking about tax cuts and the belief in markets in general tend to out weigh the evidence. I should say those are not long held beliefs but where this examination I have been pondering is leading me.  Now obviously you are correct that right now more people vote party over everything else. Do yo think the GOP wins on this issue BT and if so why?
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Re: Deficit already doubles under Trump
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2018, 10:25:30 AM »
(Note the very conservative source).



https://thehill.com/policy/finance/410177-deficit-soars-to-782-billion-in-2018




Sure on paper The Hill is 'very conservative" but they actually have like a 50/50 split between conservative and liberal columnists (in fact, more liberal wiki page columnists than conservative). At this point, I would call The Hill 'bipartisan'. I definitely wouldn't say that the author of this article is all entrenched within 'the conservative camp' by no means.

Like I said in the past, the entire US political realm has shifted leftward gradually over the past 20 years. The current conservatives are basically the old school democrats of the 90s (with a pro gun caveat), and the left has went farther and father leftward, into the weird land of socialism and SJW San Fran politics (many abandoning the old neoliberal style politics).
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