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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #165 on: October 08, 2019, 10:10:12 AM »
I'm glad you acknowledge it's silly to oppose something as simple and inexpensive as fencing to highly reduce accidents.

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #166 on: October 10, 2019, 03:45:30 PM »
Lets say the Railroad actually built a fence.  How long do you think before someone cuts a hole in it.  Then someone gets smoked and the railroad gets blamed for not keeping up with the fence.  Also the eyesore it will become for all those people who live in the fancy areas down south where the railroad runs through.  Putting up a fence will just create more problems
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #167 on: October 11, 2019, 08:31:41 AM »
Lets say the Railroad actually built a fence.  How long do you think before someone cuts a hole in it.  Then someone gets smoked and the railroad gets blamed for not keeping up with the fence.  Also the eyesore it will become for all those people who live in the fancy areas down south where the railroad runs through.  Putting up a fence will just create more problems

No sense to argue, he's not going to change his mind.  The FEC won't get fenced.  Morons will continue to cross the train tracks and get hit by trains.  The world will keep turning.
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #168 on: October 29, 2019, 02:31:41 PM »
No sense to argue, he's not going to change his mind.

We have a fundamental disagreement about what the situation is.   My viewpoint is based upon experience and deal with those sort of issue directly over the years.    I get that y'll enjoy speculating on this stuff.  It's fun.  But have some humility and introspection about how little you understand about the issue at hand.


Lets say the Railroad actually built a fence.  How long do you think before someone cuts a hole in it. 

People lock their door.  They do it even though someone who really wants to get in can just break some glass and get in.

The point is to reduce the trespassing.   

Also the eyesore it will become for all those people who live in the fancy areas down south where the railroad runs through.

The previous examples I cited are not in "fancy areas".  Amazingly enough [note: sarcasm], high housing values do not normally correlate with abutting railroads.
 

  The FEC won't get fenced.

As long as the double standard remains,  they will not fence it.

Morons will continue to cross the train tracks and get hit by trains.

It's human nature to put into as little effort as possible.  We all take shortcuts, cut corners and rationalize our behavior.   We all have moments where we do the right thing.   At other times, we do the wrong thing.   


There are 2 core issues in play:

a) local and state DOTs have eliminated crossings without providing pedestrians and cyclists with replacement routes.   
b) Virgin Trains USA is not being held to safety standards that are required for others.





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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #169 on: October 29, 2019, 08:55:51 PM »
I took a tour of the Orlando airport intermodal station today. It's pretty nice. It just needs trains. Right now, it's where the engineers working on Virgin happen to be using it for their office.

I had no idea there are 22,000 people employed on airport property. The airport's goal is to become an Aerotropolis.





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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #170 on: October 31, 2019, 09:40:02 AM »
^Impressive for sure

I was at a recent presentation from one of Brightline's VP's to the Regional Planning Council's in South Florida. They are exploring adding stations in Port of Miami (just announced yesterday officially), Aventura, Boca, and the Treasure Coast (widely considered to be Stuart and he confirmed they are evaluating sites there). Also, sounds like a Cocoa station is likely as well. The Cocoa station makes it more feasible to create a North Florida link. Hopefully Jax's leadership is lobbying heavily for it.

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #171 on: October 31, 2019, 10:13:04 AM »
What's happening in South Florida is a good example why you get the infrastructure installed and go from there. With the additional stations and TOD coming online along the FEC, what was originally envisioned to be high speed intercity rail is becoming more of a hybrid system now. The additional stops will lead to additional riders, development opportunity and help begin to establish more of a rail oriented culture in South Florida.
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #172 on: October 31, 2019, 02:43:47 PM »
What's happening in South Florida is a good example why you get the infrastructure installed and go from there. With the additional stations and TOD coming online along the FEC, what was originally envisioned to be high speed intercity rail is becoming more of a hybrid system now. The additional stops will lead to additional riders, development opportunity and help begin to establish more of a rail oriented culture in South Florida.

Won't it start to defeat the purpose of HSR if the train is stopping at so many cities so often that it never has the chance to actually reach high speeds?

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #173 on: October 31, 2019, 02:47:23 PM »
What's happening in South Florida is a good example why you get the infrastructure installed and go from there. With the additional stations and TOD coming online along the FEC, what was originally envisioned to be high speed intercity rail is becoming more of a hybrid system now. The additional stops will lead to additional riders, development opportunity and help begin to establish more of a rail oriented culture in South Florida.

Won't it start to defeat the purpose of HSR if the train is stopping at so many cities so often that it never has the chance to actually reach high speeds?
They will likely do a combination of express (high speed trains) and local trains with more stops. This is how rail systems in Western Europe and probably many other places operate.
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #174 on: October 31, 2019, 03:26:39 PM »
^This. Express and local trains. Sort of like Amtrak in the Northeast Corridor and Caltrain in the Bay Area.
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #175 on: November 01, 2019, 11:32:35 AM »
It's interesting how this is helping and hurting TriRail (helping with partnership/infrastructure, hurting by cannibalizing potential riders). I know that was a point of consideration in the approval for the Aventura extension. Anyway, Aventura may pave the way for a Trirail stop in Wynwood which would be pretty sweet.

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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #176 on: November 01, 2019, 12:02:18 PM »
I really wonder if Tri-Rail on the FEC will really happen? Seems like for Virgin Train's own success, they'd be better off serving commuters on the corridor themselves.  They've already invested in the infrastructure, rolling stock and currently running right past these potential station sites anyway.....so the lion's share of the O&M cost is already spent. So the more riders and TOD they serve, it would seem the better for their bottom line.  Perhaps they should run them with Tri-Rail and the local government providing some sort of subsidy to reduce the fares for local commuting?
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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #177 on: November 02, 2019, 05:27:28 PM »
I really wonder if Tri-Rail on the FEC will really happen? Seems like for Virgin Train's own success, they'd be better off serving commuters on the corridor themselves.  They've already invested in the infrastructure, rolling stock and currently running right past these potential station sites anyway.....so the lion's share of the O&M cost is already spent. So the more riders and TOD they serve, it would seem the better for their bottom line.  Perhaps they should run them with Tri-Rail and the local government providing some sort of subsidy to reduce the fares for local commuting?

This seems to make the most sense. But I don't think that's been considered yet. Incidentally the Metrorail northern extension was just approved, yet again, contingent on federal funding which is almost certainly not gonna happen, yet again.


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Re: Brightline ready to expand rail system to Tampa
« Reply #179 on: December 03, 2019, 11:53:55 AM »
What's happening in South Florida is a good example why you get the infrastructure installed and go from there. With the additional stations and TOD coming online along the FEC, what was originally envisioned to be high speed intercity rail is becoming more of a hybrid system now. The additional stops will lead to additional riders, development opportunity and help begin to establish more of a rail oriented culture in South Florida.

Won't it start to defeat the purpose of HSR if the train is stopping at so many cities so often that it never has the chance to actually reach high speeds?

Brightline, like most urban rail projects, has always been a property development play.